Is Tyler Durden A Fake?
February 27, 2006 by Thundercat
Filed under Drama & Rumors
I know there are a lot of people out there who think I’m ragging on Real Social Dynamics just for the fun of it, but that’s not really the case. I’ve actually been getting contacted a great deal by lots of different people with gripes about RSD, most of which I don’t really bother to post.
But occasionally, I get a post that’s really thought provoking, and it just so happens this one is right up there.
Semicond writes:
Hey TC,Forgive the length of this email, I know you probably get a lot, but hopefully you’ll find this is worthy of being published on your blog.
I’ve been a lurker in the community for many years now. I’m just a regular dude, don’t really take workshops or go to seminars or anything like that. I just like to read the mASF message boards a lot.
And I’ve noticed something I wanted to share with everyone.
I remember back in the days when Tyler Durder started posting on mASF. It was really cool to see a guy with a new perspective on stuff kind of rise through the ranks with his thoughts and ideas.
And he had some great posts, like the spastic rambling series. There was a time there where Tyler really seemed to be innovating a lot of cool theories and ideas.
But recently, a lot of his posts have lost that excitement and revolutionary quality. And by recently, I mean in the last year or so.
So I started going through a lot of the posts on mASF archive around the time period where TD was posting all his great stuff, and realized this was around the time of Project Hollywood, where TD was living with all those big time PUAs like Mystery and Style.
After reading Style’s book, I got the idea that TD was also traveling around and meeting with really good PUAs at this time as well.
But ever since Project Hollywood ended, and the RSD guys have been ostricized by the big time guys, TD’s posts have gone down hill, which leads me to believe that most of the really cool stuff Tyler "developed" and posted about in the good old days were really concepts and ideas he took from much better pick up artists and re-wrote to make it look like he came up with it.
I’m not making this claim lightly. If you look at some of TD’s old posts, and compare them to his recent posts, you’ll see big differences.
In the old posts, he had some really interesting core ideas which he went on to theorise on and test out.
In his new posts, it’s more like he’s got the same old ideas which he tries to drag out into something new. A lot of his posts make me feel like I’m reading a term paper where he’s trying to hide the fact he has no new ideas with a bunch of psychobable writing.
So I want to pose this question…
Do you think Tyler was ever really that great of a PUA? Or was he just a really smart keyboard jockey who stole his best stuff from better PUAs like Mystery and Sytle?
Thanks for your time.
Semicond
Well, I’d be lying if I said this wasn’t a provocative email. It is true that Tyler’s best stuff came when he was living with Mystery and Style in Project Hollywood, and when he was traveling around the world meeting the great PUAs from Mystery’s Lounge.
And it’s also true that his posts since Project Hollywood imploded have been pretty lackluster.
There’s been a lot of controversy over TD’s skill level ever since he appeared on the scene. I remember the big threads on Mystery’s Lounge about whether Tyler was a fake or not. This is stuff that wasn’t viewable by anyone but the people on the Lounge, but there were a great many people who knew Tyler who thought he was full of shit.
Eventually, his friends outweighed his enemies, so he was accepted into the fold. But you can’t deny that sometimes Tyler stretches the truth when it comes to his own prowess as a ladies man.
TD has been caught in a few fibs, such as him saying he can "open any set," or claiming the girls he sarges are 9s and 10s when in reality they were more like 6s and 7s.
And for everyone who’s read The Game, you know TD is really insecure, defensive, and manipulative.
I’ve even had eye-witnesses come forward and tell me that TD had a whole "Gay" routine worked out with wingmen where him and his wingman would actually MAKE OUT with each other in front of girls to try and get the girls to make out with each other.
(If that’s the kind of innovation TD is pioneering, I think I’ll stick to the old stuff)
So there’s a lot of shady stuff going on with TD, and if he really did get his best concepts from better PUAs like Mystery and Style, well… I can’t say I’d be surprized.
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nothing like a bunch of RSD paid guys or even themselves to come here and defend their honor…
I’m sure that the Tyler Durden in “the Game” is not real, but it must have more than one truth in there. I bet he’s a robotic copycat with 0 personality that only can talk about game. I bet too that he did a lot of shit in the project hollywood mansion, cuz the fact is mystery left it and he was TD’s teacher and idol. I guess that RSD as a company did help many guys and that some of their workshops seminars and bootcamps were indeed a success, but I bet TD was greedy and weird enough to drive all the big shots in that time away from him…playboyLA, dreamweaver, the one, sickboy, twenty six…etc,etc.
Now in the present time, I do think that their bootcamps and workshops suck, I think guys like jlaix that talk big don’t walk the talk (chessclub his “hot girlfriend” was fucking plain like a 6), I think most of the instructors currently teaching in RSD suck.
TD has game? I bet… I think is good enough to run game on girls and get them to the comfort stage or even the kiss, do I think he gets laid much? No, I think he isn’t sexual confident and from some of his FRs he seems to chicken out, that or weirds the shit out off the girl.
I think too he isn’t a bad teacher and he did contribute a lot to this community, I bet it was repackaged and the stuff he came out with was not original but at least he did it. So props on that.
I know I won’t take one of his seminars,workshops or bootcamps. I’m not sure that their indeed shit and I doubt that you will gain nothing from it, but why take the risk when a good amount of money is at stake and when there are other guys in the market that are the future in this community (natural game)with great reviews (none of them “They ripped me off”) like charisma sciences (juggler), real social impact (they have a different name now, run by woodhaven and dimitri) and fidentia if they hadn’t split up.
I bet those ones do care very much about your success and you won’t leave them as a social cyborgue that fires routine after routine and can’t just chill out and be himself knowing he has what he takes to be spontaneous and be loved for that.
Now thundercat, just get off TD back, you can’t win this fight here cuz 2 or 3 guys are posting in 17 diferent names each.
Post the bootcamps reviews but not this kind of shit. It’s childish and you are wasting your time.
BTW that was my humble opinion.
cya
Dude I was listening to a recording of Mystery two weeks ago in new york and he was saying that “This guy TD is really good. And he got good in like just a year.”
Dude it came from Mystery’s mouth during a seminar where TD was not even present. I have it on recording.
Why the bad blood?
From what I recall jlaix never talked well of himself and was always brutally honest in his reports, even admitting he fucked fat chicks. Additionally several guys in my lair have seen him pull strippers right before there eyes. maybe hes not the best PUA but he told it like it is, warts and all.
the golden age of community is over. all teh best guys no longer post because of idiotic shit like this. Congrats assholes you made your bed now lie in it. and jack off. alone.
The only statement in all these posts that is worth ANYTHING is this one here:
Focus Power!: “how to seduce beautiful girls”
Is it that no one here really knows how to talk about that or is it that everyone would rather give head to the various Gurus?
I think it’s pretty pathetic that people go on and on about Style or TD or whoever. Who gives a Shit!?
If your frame is so weak that all you can do is worry about some other guy who supposedly gets laid, is it any wonder that you are here trying to learn to get laid rather than getting laid?
Here is a recent list of Topics on this Blog. Pleas note only 2 are actually about learning seduction. The rest are like some creepy seduction tabloid:
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Is Tyler Durden A Fake?
Know What You Want
Assuming Value Vs. Building It
Neil Strauss Break-Up Rumors
Workshop Reviews Site
Tyler Durden Clones Busted?
Yet AnotherPoor Review Of Real Social Dynamics
Another Bad Real Social Dynamics Review?
Mystery Clones?
Real Social Dynamics Poor Customer Service Example
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Funny thing is that more guys post in the Gossip topics and very little is posted in the topics about learning. To me that SCREAMS AFC!
I’m not sure how many serious guys are left, but lets be responsible where TC hasn’t and make this a blog about learning pickup.
Learing all this stuff teaches us to Live in Our Own Realities, Not Someone Elses.
Thundercat just committed a classic error in the art of smear. When you focus all your energy on criticism of your enemy, they have control over you. Very soon it will sink in for TC that focusing on your own business is more productive than focusing on your enemy. I know TC has good things to say, I’ve read his book. Come on TC, drop this schoolgirl dramaqueen crap.
Eventhough I read buckloads of theory about selfimproving and inner game, I just can’t seem to apply it on myself. It even looks like I’m getting more childish by the minute.
Somehow I can’t stop myself from these negative thoughts and I can’t even see I’m ruГЇning this site all by myself.
Why am I so lame and negative all of a sudden?
Hello,
treat me like your bratty little sister. i have a dick that is small but i can stick it to the inside so you can actually fuck me like a little vagina. i never had problems with this but just because they guys that i seduced had small dicks.
Wonderbrat
TC has onetis for TD
awww
Think it’s time a few people on here got out from behind their keyboards and actually spoke to some women.
To an occasional passer-by, this is REALLY FUCKING SAD.
No wonder you fuckwits can’t get laid.
The Don
Tyler told me once about this experiment. I never done it because it sounded kind of weird. He said stop ejaculating for one month and watch what it does to your game. Then ejaculate every day for one month and watch what happens. He talked about some energy and how it gives him powers to dominate chicks very easly because this energy is very powerful.
thank god we have RSD to tell us what to do. here are socially proofed RSD instructors demonstrating lollipop opener on celebrity HB9
http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/oz/images/vc52.jpg
TC, I used to enjoy reading your blog until you got on your RSD rants.
I was bookended by two black men last weekend.
DELICIOUS!
RJ
93/93
Who the hell is “The Don” ? are they trying to moch me?
“Then ejaculate every day for one month and watch what happens.”
There you have it!
He stole this one From Ross Schmeffries as the gayboy-routine was originated by me!
Once again an impostor!
My fans know I only suck caucasian cock!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
RJ
93/93
The reason why Tyler Durden and I had a falling out is personal and neither of us will be making it public, that at least we both agree on.
TC.
Do you know where I find a picture of this Thundershit? I want to see how fat he is and do you think Speedy Seduction can help a chode like him with his inner game?
If you are interested in “PU” and have not read the Assuming Value Vs. Building It , you owe it to yourself to read it.
It’s two posts below this one, and it’s one of the best articles I have written and I think a lot of people will benefit from it.
enjoy,
The One
FLAME ON!!
this whole bashing shit here is a shame to the whole community! ok, TC posted pretty harsh stuff about tyler, but instead of flaming on TC and acting like Tyler is the biggest rockstar on earth, you should think about your idols! you guys should be more critical, stop believing everything your gurus post, develop your own stuff. you wanna be PUAs? you have to learn how treat people and how to handle stuff like this.
btw: beeing internet toughguys is the best routine ever! keep work on that!
If you’ve read every comment before this one, STOP!
Stop reading this shit and stop coming to this site.
Go read the DYD e-book and while your at it, go buy David’s “On Being A Man” program. You’ll learn far more from that than you ever will reading any of this gossip shit.
can we have a blog topic on how much of a tool we think thundercat is?
lol i bet you the comment box would be filled to like 200 comments in 2 days
One more thing.
If you spend all of your time reading what everyone posts on mASF or any othe site, it means your not out in the field actually trying it. As Orion says, “You become a dictionary of useless information.”
Do yourself a favor and approach at least one women everyday. If you can train yourself to do this you can actually aplly what you read online and maybe even come up with your own shit.
haha these comments are so flaming. It’s comedic, especially the RJ ones.
“Bookended by two black men. DELICIOUS!”
lol
I don’t think anyone doubts TD’s game, just where he got most of his material…
Thundercat, please throw up some good posts!
haha
“thank god we have RSD to tell us what to do. here are socially proofed RSD instructors demonstrating lollipop opener on celebrity HB9
http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/oz/images/vc52.jpg
Posted by: jaredp | Mar 1, 2006 10:58:29 AM”
Check out that pic guys, hahahaha
I love going bouncy bouncy on a black mans pole.
IT’S POSITIVELY SINFUL!
RJ
93/93
Will someone please read my post!? Guys, why don’t you acknowledge me? Is my but not juicy enough? Does my breath smell like poo? Will someone please buy my ebook!
WHERE IS CAPTAIN SAVE’A'HO WHEN YOU NEED HIM!?
>The reason why Tyler Durden and I had a falling out is personal and neither of us will be making it public, that at least we both agree on.
TC.
did he butt fuck you?
Hey man yeah i need the money,buy my ebook,i need the money because i’m geting used for SEX:
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=6610443&blogID=90017220&MyToken=9b656c07-4a3a-44c1-a879-4a9101a8c24c
Once i’m rich the sexy women will not use me for SEX ha!
BUY MY SUPERGREAT EBOOK YOU FUCKIN MORONS!!!
I love going bouncy bouncy on a black mans pole.
IT’S POSITIVELY SINFUL!
RJ
93/93
HAHAHAHA!
Now THAT puts me into trouble!
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Is this the long awaited annihilation-method?
Random.Samurai please translate!
This shits fuckin hilarious. I try to steer people a little but really this place is fun to come read when Im drinking coffee.
The is better than a fucking comedy site.
I was laughing out loud after looking at Camerons myspace.
Anyways I guess This blog has become a product of its environment. Soon there wont be any real PUAs here EVER, let alone anyone with any game but it’ll still be fun to come here and listen to people bitch and argue and rip-on each other.
This can be the Online Seduction Community’s Equivalent of a Hip-Hop Battle.
yo yo yo yo I bedded a black man’s ho
Who gives a shit if Tyler is fake or not. He’s got way more game that Thunderfat. Thunderfat has low value, because he is fat and his inner game sucks. He’ll never be able to hold on to a HB. May be not even a FAT BABE.
Yeah, this is the funniest site I know!
Ross Jeffries long awaited gay confessions made me piss my pants, who would have expected he’s into black studs! mwuahahahah!
Camerons myspace is fuckin funny as well, espacially the supergay pic kicks ass! hahahahaha!
Also a warm welcome to our new member Osama bin Strauss!
NOW I begin to understand what’s behind the Annihilation method!
HEHEHAHAHAUAHAUAH!
Ah who cares, TC has a problem with RSD, we already knew that.
The real scandal/news is the FAKED news story that some rag in NYC did to besmirch PUAs everywhere.
Asian Playboy
If I leave a trail of fortune cookies up to my bed will Asian Playboy take the bait?
“Here little chinaman, come tongue daddy’s kosher stinkhole…”
RJ
93/93
Will someone please buy my ebook, I need money to renue my playgirl subscription.
Take a look at me with some guys from the old RSD crew!(I’m in the middle)
http://www.melbourneloft.com/images/General/proud-cock-contest.jpg
I like long walks on the beach, sunsets, and chocolate…
If there are any mandigos out there holla at me!
P.S. Only the chocolate brothas!
Here is a pic to wet your appetite
http://blogdayafternoon.com/images/stories/0405/jerry.jpg
Here is a picture of Thundercat from three years ago. He’s a cool guy so be nice!
http://www.insearchofheroes.com/comic-industry-heroes/images/Good%20Guys%20Kickoff%20Character%20fat%20guy.jpg
this post is dumb and confuses issues.
1) Tyler has game. I know this because i have seen him game girls and he is GOOD. He later fucked one on the girls that he gamed and she was hot. I saw him extract her to his bedroom.
To say he doesnt have game is stupid.
2) Yes, he copied everybody to come up with his model, but thats what EVERYBODY in the community does.
3) Yes his posts have gone downhill but hes running a growing business and is not in the field that often.
4) Tyler lies constantly about everything.
He is incredibly manipulative. That should be obvious to anyone who is not a hero-worshipping zombie
5)TC is openly attacking RSD at every opportunity. This is partly personal and partly because he has a commercial interest in doing so. This also should obvious to anybody who is not a hero worshipping zombie. That is NOT to say his posts (like the recent bad RSD workshop reviews) are unfounded – just to say that he takes every
opportunity to damage teh reputation of RSD.
Pretty fucking obvious guys.
HUHUHU!
Is his really TC in this picture?
http://www.insearchofheroes.com/comic-industry-heroes/images/Good%20Guys%20Kickoff%20Character%20fat%20guy.jpg
Wth these looks, even Mystery would have to travel to the Domenican Republic to get laid!
BTW, what does this blog have to do with seduction, lately it seems to be only about TC hating TD and RJ’s obsession for African-American COCK!
DELICIOUS!
Yeah is that really TC, he’s fucking hideous. Worse the neil Strauss in fact. The only way that guy’s gonna ger a woman is by paying. A lot.
Ross I had some respect for you as a guru, but your racist comments leave a bad flavour in my mouth. Jeez are all the pick up gurus trailer trash, racists?
Both the RJ and Hypnotica posts are blatantly fake.
Damn, TC looks UGLY AS HELL…hahahahha THIS GUY WILL NEVER GET LAID IN A MILLION YEARS.
Is it me or does he look a little retarded?
Thundercat and Tyler Durden are both good friends of mine, and while its sad they are no longer friends themselves, theres always two sides to ever story, I just want them to know I support them both whatever they have done cause thats what friends are for.
I love you guys.
hey don won ton, you done with the sweet and sour yet?