Where ASF Philosophy Went Wrong
August 29, 2005 by Thundercat
Filed under Drama & Rumors
A guy named sanik posted a pretty thought-provoking entry over on mASF which pretty much calls into question the current mentality of most pick-up artists…
sanik writes:
Credit to Stephane for "All game is inner game"Hey guys, well not that i’m back ill POST my thoughts on why a lot of guys have been feeling incongruent and why a lot of the shit that we do in the community fucks guys up. Don’t get me wrong at all this place is the money and its helped me TREMENDOUSLY getting over limiting beliefs and becoming a more open person but with all its Pros… it came with its cons. So lets get into this.
THE PROBLEM WITH FAKE IT TILL YOU MAKE IT
Imagine this for a minute… lets say you get a huge cut on your chest by accident and you don’t go to the hospital to fix it, instead you decide to go home and put on a fresh T-shirt even though the cut is very deep and it will most probally get infected if you don’t treat it, you still decide to put the shirt on. Mean while you go through your day as usual but the cut is getting all nasty and green and shit underneath your T-shirt and no matter how hard you try and say "IT ISNT THERE, ill just GO CHANGE MY SHIRT" even though you keep bleeding all over all your clothes clothes, THe cut remains.This is the metaphor, lets say you have a problem meeting and approaching women for example and your hole life you have been shot down and rejected and had oneitis and then one day you find a site that says… TAKE ON BEHAVIOURS OF SUCESSFUL PEOPLE… SAY THIS, DRESS THIS WAY AND HAVE RELAXED BODY LANGUAGE AND ON TOP OF THAT FORGET YOU EVER HAD A PROBLEM BLAME YOUR FAILURES ON YOUR SKILLSET.
Do you see how this can fuck you up you keep on putting on that T-shirt but you still bleed on it because inside your still fucked up, your inner-game is still indefinately fucked up how will you expect to ever heal yourself. Will you heal yourself by boosting your ego by saying if I fuck 2000 chicks I will love myself, will you feel validated when someone responds well to your game, will you FEEL better when you are like these seduction heroes you idolize? why do you idolize people like TD or Mystery, what do you think you will get from this type of lifestyle.
Ill tell you what you will get a fucked up heart, a head full of insecurity that you supress, validation centered existence a materialistic outlook on life and inevitabley many nights of masturbation until you learn to lie well enough and FAKE not likeing someone and on top of that extremely mysognistic outlook on women.
INDIRECT GAME IS BS its for insecure people who our AFRAID PUSSIES., Social conditioning is a JOKE, YES hot girls get approached a lot and they will act all bitchy and shit… But do you really want some…. "LIEING, CHEATING, BARBIEDOLL BITCH WITH LOWSELF-ESTEEM" or would you rather have a nice, honest, pretty girlfirend that gives great blowjobs?
my inner game is so tight now that I don’t need to go up and bullshit my way and try to combat ASD like some fucking ninja or Demonstrate Higher Value hahahahahahha, Demonstrate Higher Value???
DOESN’T THAT FUCING PRESUPPOSE THAT YOU HAVE LOWER VALUE IN THE FIRST PLACE, WHAT A FUCING JOKE ROFL!!!!
I ROLL UP I AM HONSET, RESPECTFUL OF THE FACT THAT THESE GIRLS DO NOT KNOW ME SO I MAKE THEM FEEL COMFORTABLE.
I tell girls I find you extremely attractive and I’d like to get to know you and I go from there, If they are not interested I find SOMEONE WHO IS. I REFUSE TO MAKE PEOPLE TRY TO LIKE ME BY BEING SNEAKY AND TRYING TO RAISE BUYING TEMPATURE… Oh my god what a croc of shit…
anyway guys this is the hole thing, fix up your inner game dudes.. read great books, become comfortable in your own skin love yourself and your body no matter what is looks like or how you used to be, and just be cool be naturel, don’t fake shit.
I do think that people who try to be dishonest and portray themselves as something they’re not will eventually be revealed. All to often, the whole "Fake it ’till you make it" mentality can do more harm than good, because the guys who partake in that mentality know, deep down inside, that they’re being dishonest. Because of this, they’re always worrying about getting "caught" and being "revealed." And when things go bad for them, they can sink into depression and frustration.
I am of the mentality that lots of guys really have to learn what’s holding them back from getting what they want and focus on fixing that before they try to achieve what they really want. You have to create a "lifestyle" around which you’re comfortable and is conducive to getting you the goals you want. This month’s SeductionLair.com’s interview with PlayboyLA focuses a great deal on this, and for those of you who are interested, you should definitely check it out.
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what a bunch of crap!!
I know plenty of guys who have faked it and have litterally transformed their lives once they SEE whats possible.
all those Punk PUA’s that can’t make it, are people that weren’t told.
“HEY, BEING A PUA ISN’T FOR EVERYONE”
its mostly THE FAULT OF THE SEDUCTION TEACHERS who fail to point this little fact out to Punk PUA’s that causes them to keep going with cut under their shirts.
Salik should keep his mouth shut, telling people his inner game is so fucking tight.
its tight now but give it a few decades and see where your at punk
I respectfully disagree. Id also like to point out that the logic presented is irrational – a common error those who do not adopt the scientific method may make. If you dont already see the break in logic then read The Demon Haunted World by Carl Sagan, chapter 17: The Balony Detection Kit. Read it and find out for yourself why the above post is ‘absurd’.
Let me take a moment, as a PUA who everyone knows smokes all others (open challenges to all as usual – Im slotted to challenge the winner of the Hypnotica vs. Formhandle match when they have time to schedule a get together – all for fun), to explain INDIRECT and FAKE IT TIL YOU MAKE IT.
First, on to indirect.
The indirect approach has little to do with inner game and handling fear. Either way, direct or indirect, we fear the approach.
the reason we go in indirect is so that we do not convey interest in the target and have her friends cockblock and protect her from you. the idea is to FIRST demonstrate a higher value (DHV) BEFORE we IOI. Just walking up and talking DIRECTLY to the target is an IOI. the friends feel threatened and pull her away. Using the indirect approach has little to do with confidence. its not an inner game tactic but instead a massively field tested tactical OUTER GAME concept. You initiate a chat with the entire group (not just to the target) while NEGGING the target to DISARM the friends from thinking you are an immediate potential suitor (you dont know who the boyfriend is or who the brother is – afterall we use indirect approach tactics on GROUPS of people – hardly a COWARDLY action). Negging the target to disarm the others buys you time to DHV in front of the target. The DHV spikes in your stories will not appear to be BRAGGART in nature this way because you already disqualified yourself before the target or her friends start to. In fact, its so counter-intuitive, I understand how certain PUA wannabes who dont interact with other PUAs (Stephane as I recall was the odd anti-social barefoot and no shirt guy at the LA DYD seminar – while everyone else wore clothes appropriately for a seminar – whats the word for negative peacocking? clowning?) will lock themselves out of adopting massively field tested principles. Indirect isnt easy. But one thing is certain (as a man to DEMONSTRATES it in field duirng bootcamp – and yes, as usual, I was successful in getting #s every night in front of my students — and on last night’s occasion … um, more), INDIRECT approach game delivers the fucking goods.
Perhaps Stephane and I can compare girls, current or historic. Who’s girls are hotter. Who’s had more hot girls. Who can captivate a group and befriend others. Perhaps we can compare our leadership social circles. But before we do this, why not SEE who these people look like in front of others.
Perhaps you will watch the difference between Stephane and I speaking in front of 130 people and cameras if you see us both speak on the Cliff’s List Seminar DVD. Decide for yourself. You can train in the direct approach (which limits you to approach SINGLES only) and look like Stephane or train in the indirect approach and peacocking aside, look like Mystery.
I believe the indirect approach is far more versatile because it allows you to approach large groups, with men in them (women of beauty are rarely found alone – especially supermodels) and DHV BEFORE you IOI.
There are 3 attraction switches that make must be triggered in order to DHV:
1. proof you are pre-selected by other women
2. proof you are the leader of men
3. proof you protect and defend your loved ones and are loyal to them
If you can convey this BEFORE you give IOIs then you will GET IOIs before you GIVE THEM.
attraction must occur BEFORE she will want to build comfort with you. Imagine how easy it is to build comfort with a girl if she is attracted to you FIRST.
DIRECT = singles only = hope the confidence in going direct is enough to build attraction = fool’s mate
INDIRECT = great for groups and women of PARTICULAR BEAUTY (you HAVE seen my ex-gfs right?) = befriend the friends FIRST and be given the opportunity to repeatedly trigger the 3 attraction switches that ALL TRIBAL LEADERS trigger and then give IOIs only AFTER you get them from the girl.
To decide for yourself which is right for you, watch the Cliff’s List DVD and judge for yourself. Which principle builds a more charismatic personality?
The barefoot and shirtless thing didnt exactly work to build rapport with anyone but that doesnt mean it doesnt have its place. If I were singing in front of 60,000 perhaps it would work – in fact, I plan on doing this in the future. But doing that and bringing a half naked girl (which may have worked if her objective replication value were perhaps higher – no disrespect to her Im sure she’s a great girl despite her bloated pelvis – but it was in THAT particular social scenario – um, fuckin’ weird dude haa) only alienates. Certainly I brought my GF too, but I kept her dressed and we brought our puppy so people could see she and I were easily approachable. You dont want to alienate the very people you are trying to help afterall. group dynamics include conducting seminars too. Maybe those at the LA DYD event or Montreal event will speak up and offer their first person accounts on meeting Stephane (or seeing how people avoided him) and I.
We are here to survive and replicate. to S & R. sure we want to get the girls S&R value to improve our chances. yes we want something from her (S&R value). but wouldnt it just make more sense to NOT go for her value and try to take take take (direct) and instead give give give by demonstrating higher value to her and her friends FIRST? Its ultimately the woman’s choice. if she sees your value FIRST, then she will try to align with YOU. add in NEGs to disqualify yourself from being a potential suitor at the begining and you not only keep your approach form looking like you WANT SOMETHING (like a beggar) from HER, but you structure the challenge for her to attempt to win YOUR S&R value for HER.
Im a proponent of INDIRECT GROUP APPROACH THEORY because it clearly delivers the goods. So is Style – who Thundercat rated as #1 in the community. And Toecutter. And TD. The guys who are publically known for being good all use indirect group theory. not because they are scared for sure. but because it solves real world infield problems. Is it a coincidence that the best PUAs use indirect? Is it a coincidence that the best PUAs dont alienate and maike others avoid them? Is it a coincidence that ALL our girls have a higher R value?
I would like Stephane to see that indirect solves more problems infield … or rather, it keeps problems from even appearing … like alienating the friends, telegraphing too much interest on a 10 who gets all the attention she needs, making 100s of people avoid you or want to meet you, and building a rep as a guy who hits on every girl (to go direct is to give IOIs right away – if she shoots you down because you havent DHV’d first anyways, you get a bad reputation and lower your chances of proving you are pre-selected when those girls tell their peers they said no to you).
do I use direct? certainly. on singles. but only after I have worked an adjacent set in an effort to prove I am pre-selected. See, opening one set and then another and merging them together triggers pre-selection and build a jealousy plotline. why do we need this? well, a woman may not KNOW she is attracted until she is surprised to find out she is jealousy and FEELS the surprising fear of potential loss of you to another girl. The J-plotline is injected into C1, the first phase of the comfort building stage usually (or C2 is you cant merge sets due to lack of targets in a given environment).
As for the FAKE IT TIL YOU MAKE IT thing, again, the logic fallacy is appropriately found in The Balony Detection Kit chapter of Sagan’s book. I live in a world of “ACT AS IF …”
I act as IF Im a ladies man. And guess what. If you arent a ladies man but you act as IF you are (and trigger the pre-selection attraction switch by having women from previous sets on your arms or having stories with pre-selection triggering DHV spikes embedded into those stories), then they will assume you ARE a ladies man and will treat you like one – by trying to align with you and get some of that S&R value all those girls hanging around you prove you must have. It helps (trust me).
Im now going to act as IF … Im hungry. Yoshinoya I dont care what you say kicks ass. oooh one BETTER! Thundercat Im in LA. Im hankering for a steak. Im gonna call you now.
Love !Mystery
Hey Mystery, you seem to be talking really bad about stephane but if I heard correctly you were the one dressed like a fucking bee.
you are so caught up in your reality man its horrible. INDIRECT GAME IS FOR PEOPLE WHO CHOOSE TO LIVE YOUR LIFESTYLE.
You say it as if it was a fact, that we were here to design and replicate.
From what I have seen and done and heard with my freinds stephane and ghita. I CAN TELL YOU, that you are more then wrong.
Mystery you have eyes of flesh and none of spirit, good luck with your fucked up reality man.
AND AS FOR THE COMPETITIONS. thats retarded because stephane doesn’t do PICK UP LIKE YOU DO, HE DOESN’T LIE AND CHEAT AND ISNT DISHONEST LIKE YOU AND THE RSD GUYS TEND TO BE.
the list of heart centered people in this community can be counted on a hand.
Steve piccus
Stephane
Hypnotica
and perhaps a few others.
good luck man your FUCKED!
AND MYSTERY GHITAS BLOATED PELVIS, was a fucking life threating ilness she had her entire life that she had to take medication for her hole life, she had many operations and she has been through a lot.
Don’t talk about my friends like that dude, especially without knowing what the hell your talking about.
go hang out with your barbie doll and your puppy asshole.
“he’ has to write 1500 words (3 fucking essays) to argue his point logically against something that came naturally from your heart.”
Ilhan kudaki
and you sanik are a total punk compared to mystery who at least has the intelligence to post a thought in one comment post.
unlike you, who apparently had to convulse in stupidity as to what to say next for 15 minutes. (check sanik’s post dates).
and as for someone who speaks with his heart, and all that other spiritual bullshit you guys have hijacked, you seem to be a very NEGATIVE person.
thats some super tight inner game you got going man, real tight.
I REFUSE to continue this drama, and am not posting anything more along these lines.
- sanik
Actually Sanik, the bloated pelvis is from a kidney transplant.. That is her mother’s kidney that Misery is commenting on.
No worries, and I don’t need anyone to feel guilty – she is healthier than most people and we’ve done a LOT of holistic stuff to where she is now transcending her blood dis-ease. The doctors look at me and well… they hate me
My life is MUCH different than trying to impress people by being a “pua”. I *did* the whole indirect thing and laid close to 150 girls… but I felt they were sluts and I was feeding a contemtful “secret-society” reality. Fortunately my dick didn’t fall off..
Viewing women through the lens of mere survival and reproduction insticts (ego) leads to a feeling of separateness and contempt, even if it makes “perfect sense” on a logical level to think in those terms.
Anyway, thanks for coming to our defense and all, but arguing with people doesn’t help them, and it’ll turn you into a nervous wreck
Stop playing the role of “Karma Police” okay? I mean, do what you need to do, but since you asked me to check out this blog, that’s my 2 cents.
Rather than judging people and trying to “save” them, which is what I used to do, now I wish them well and focus instead on things like my buisness, menage management, sex majick, squirting pussies, and unconditional love. I only have 24 hrs in my day, and even taking 2 minutes to write THIS BLOG is pretty dumb… I just HAD to see what all the fuss was about
Maybe I’ll use this in a newsletter, that way it won’t be such a waste of my time..
Anyway, your heart is in the right place man, and I know who my friends are.
Namaste.
Stephane@ideaGasms.com
Sanik,
Dude you just gave it away, you talked about inner game ,,being cool, smooth direct (your first post made sense) and so Mys replied with his opinion but then you rambled on for the next couple of threads hating on him? I understand he shouldnt have commented on someones physical attributes if hes not attracted to her, I think thats kind of rude too BUT the point is you still have Inner game issues.
One thing I know…
You’re all great fun, guys!
…lol
sanik = frustrated teenage virgin
‘nough said.
you’ve latched onto someone, decided to model them, and like any teenager you’re spitting back everything “master” told you.
As for Stephane he does mention some good things in that DYD interview however contradicts himself with that “dragon bugger” crap he posted. He also contradicts himself in saying “routines imply that you’re a lower-value person to begin with.” yet he does post canned openers such as that “do you think a man should pay the woman should pay or should they split it?” opener.
His approach seems to be an upcoming trend in the community i.e. “everything else out there sucks except what I do because…”
I think the reports from both formhandle and senorlukas say enough about him/his presentation, I’m sure the cliff’s list video will confirm it as well (that’s if stephane is even in it).
Mystery,
Clearly you’ve read “The Selfish Gene” by Dawkins. Good stuff…
Anyways, I have a somewhat OT question: since you don’t have children, do you consider yourself as ‘unsuccesful’ with regards to surviving and replicating?
Wouldn’t that fulfillment of that goal be determined by whether or not you’ve succesfully passed on your genes as opposed to whether or not you’ve engaged in the reproductive act with a suitable mate?
Mystery wrote:
“If you arent a ladies man but you act as IF you are (and trigger the pre-selection attraction switch by having women from previous sets on your arms or having stories with pre-selection triggering DHV spikes embedded into those stories), then they will assume you ARE a ladies man and will treat you like one”
AMEN.
I can’t believe Sanik and Thundercat (who has ALOT of sticking points) are saying “Fake it till you make it is bad.” This may be the most retarded thing ever written.
“Acting as if” an important principle that can help one be be more successful in any area of life. It’s one of the guiding principles in almost every self-improvement technology available. Read a biography of any successful person or study any other self-improvement materials for proof of this.
MysteryRules!
P.S. MYSTERY IS THE BEST!!!
Hi MysteryRules!,
Not to take anything away from Mystery, I think he’s one of the best out there and I whole-heartedly believe he knows what he’s talking about. This post was not meant by me to be an attack on Mystery by any means.
And I’ll be the first to admit I have sticking points. I think we all do. But I feel I’ve come a long way since I first started this blog, and I think those who know me would agree.
In terms of “Fake It Till You Make It,” I stand by my post. It’s one thing to ACT like you’ve got confidence, it’s another thing entirely to BE confident.
I’m not saying that “Fake It Till You Make It” won’t work for some. But I think that it’s far healthier and more effective to actually “Make It” instead of having to fake it.
The great thing Mystery does is he kicks his workshop attendees in the ass and makes them go out and approach. Though most of these guys can fake it, they see the possibilities of going out and approaching women. But when they’re away from Mystery, they’re going to fall back into old habbits.
So where does that leave them?
They have to address the underlying confidence problem BEFORE they go out and try to FAKE IT again. Otherwise, they’re going to do more harm than good.
That’s all I’m saying.
Thundercat
lol… Hey guys, well this is just a post that went haywire, I meant all the best in the beginning but it just flipped around and fucked up.
I wish the best to all of you
- David.
Sanik.
Please tell us if you’ve lost your viginity yet?
“Indirect vs. Direct” sounds like
“breathing in vs. breathing out.”
You need both.
If you really were TOTALLY direct wouldn’t you just walk up and caveman her, and not even stop long enough to say, “Me F*&K YOU”
Sometimes you MUST be indirect , and sometimes you MUST be direct.
If I had more time, I’d write a proper response.
I am working on the DEFINITIVE “Direct vs. indirect” article.
Hopefully, there will never again be any confusion or misunderstandings regarding direct after reading this article.
I will forward it to Thundercat to post when I am finished writing it.
The One
From mASF:
This post is simplistic and enormously negative. The vile and venom built up
in this post betrays the fact that you are not comfortable with interacting
with girls or treat life in a light hearted way. Because what is the big
deal, man? This is your life, you can just relax and mingle, right? So why
the venom?
wrote in message news:248273.39628@discussion.fastseduction.com…
> THE PROBLEM WITH FAKE IT TILL YOU MAKE IT
> Imagine this for a minute… lets say you get a huge cut on your chest by
Sure, go for a cure rather than fix just the symptoms. That is a no brainer.
Look, there are very few times in your life where your insecurities are
exposed like when you approach a woman. Your sexual self image is exposed,
your vanity, your inhabitions … your belief that you should “not speak to
strangers”, and on top of it you are risking sexual rejection. This is why
we feel approach reluctance. Some of it is just stage fright … you have to
jump into action, some of it is inhabitions, some of it is sexual self
image. OK, what we need to do is identify each of these inner issues that
are causing us to act in aberrent ways and cause us unhappiness and
nervousness here. The first step is to identify your inner termoils. Then
you mask them. Then you fix them. But an important step is to act like they
are not there.
Lets say for example you are intimidated by a girls beauty, and many of the
guys I work with have this problem. So you introduce him to a beautiful
girl, and he shifts from foot to foot, and has trouble making eye contact
because he feels shy. First step is for him to recognise that the way he
feels has an impact on how he is acting. And realise that he is acting in
ways that betrays his inner termiols. Then he needs to mask those fears. So
even if he is feeling fear, he needs to act as if he is confident. He needs
to pull back his shoulders, stand upright, look her in the eyes, and smile
at her, accepting her as a person. This is easy fix stuff, and will get him
socialising better right now. He will suddenly have opportunities for
friendships presented to him that he did not have. This is “faking it till
you make it”, but we need to put emphasis on “till you make it”. Just
continually faking it is not the answer it is only the beginning, but
rather, over time, to go after those insecurities until you do not feel like
that anymore.
> INDIRECT GAME IS BS its for insecure people who our AFRAID PUSSIES.
That is not true. It is social grace. Here is a situation for you: you are
out with a girl you are seeing. You are having a good night in some
particular venue. You have slept together, and now are relaxing into each
others company. So a guy comes up. And he hits directly on the girl. And she
is uncomfortable, and you tell him so. But he is direct and persists, he
ignores what you say and just looks directly at the girl. Luckily a bouncer
is there, and comes over, escorting the socially inept dude away from you
saying “stop molesting my customers”.
Alternatively, same night: guy who seems to know everyone comes up and chats
to both of you in a friendly way. He has a girl beside him who clearly likes
him. At some stage he says “You 2 look like brother and sister. Are you
related?” and you inform him that she is your girlfriend. He continues
chatting to the 2 of you for a few more minutes, makes a charming joke, then
tells you it was nice meeting you, and moves on chatting to more people, all
of whom seem to know him.
Which of these guys do you want to be? Which one is true competence?
>, Social
> conditioning is a JOKE, YES hot girls get approached a lot and they will
act
> all bitchy and shit…
This is just a defense mechanism. There is nothing wrong with the girl. SHe
is a perfectly nice girl with her friends. You just need to learn how to
deal with female validation gambits.
> But do you really want some…. “LIEING, CHEATING,
> BARBIEDOLL BITCH WITH LOWSELF-ESTEEM” or would you rather have a nice,
honest,
> pretty girlfirend that gives great blowjobs?
There is nothing wrong with a girl just becasue she is good-looking. Of
course she frequents places where the beautiful people go, that is where she
gets treated the most “normally”, because she does not stand out the same,
and she is not worshipped. Just because she closes down men who are hitting
on her quickly, does not mean she is a bitch. It is just a matter of
efficiency. Afterall, she has as much right to enjoy her night as the dudes
with itches in their pants walking up and propositioning her with a direct
approach. Are you starting to see a pattern here now? I am talking about
social elegance and grace. You are talking about bulls in china shops.
> I ROLL UP I AM HONSET, RESPECTFUL OF THE FACT THAT THESE GIRLS DO NOT KNOW
ME
> SO I MAKE THEM FEEL COMFORTABLE.
>
> I tell girls I find you extremely attractive and I’d like to get to know
you
> and I go from there, If they are not interested I find SOMEONE WHO IS.
See, and that is the difference. You are not choosing the girl. Competence
comes from walking past the girls you can have to the girls you want. You
are allowing the girls to be the selectors, and in that way, it is not as
tight a philosophy.
Let me make this clear:
For me here is the goal: to be a viable relationship proposition to every
girl you sarge. It means you build skills and your life in a different
direction to the one you are going. It means you build a social network, and
are very good socially, and she can see that she would slot straight into
that spot in your life, and would be very happy. You can demonstrate this in
many ways on the intial night. Dealing with shit tests, being good socially,
having a lot going on in your life are part of that.
Ultimately, to be a viable relationship proposition, you need to build your
social capital, not destroy it. What that means is that she knows you are
good socially, and can put people at ease, not that you walk up and
proposition her.
People tend to hook up with people that have equal status contact — meaning
people tend to initiate relationships with others that have the same or
similar social characteristics that they themselves do. This happens for
many reasons including that persons friends and family enforcing their
relationship choice. So within set, you build your social status by
demonstrating both that you can bring her into your social world, and that
should she want to introduce you to her friends and family, you can put them
at ease socially no problem at all. This is the goal. Anything that does not
build towards this is not organic.
Girls like sex as much as men. They have a minimum standard that has to be
met to sleep with a guy when she is without sex in her life. That is that it
will not get weird or anything. And that she will not regret it. It has to
be comfortable for her.
So that is, to me, bottom level game. Like the minimum required. Then as you
come up, she will still sleep with you because you are not going to get
weird on her and tell her you love her on the second night or anything, but
now she likes you on a deeper level also.
The ultimate, at the top, is where you can keep any girl you ever sarge. All
of them want to move into your house and for you to have them as your woman.
You are a dream that is not realistic for most of the girls you speak to.
But they will definately still sleep with you. You have a line up of girls
behind you, not just because you are some sort of sexual presence that will
not get weird, but because girls guenuinely love you.
Now what I am saying is that you need to shoot, in your skill set for that
top level. Being able to keep the girls you sarge.
What you are posting here is that you are going to work towards low level
game of making yourself sexually available, and telegraph that it will not
be weird. But to me that is nothing more than a foundation upon which to
build towards true competence in this art.
So that is why I am saying that you are going the wrong route. You have
forgotten what the goal is. You are starting to institute strategies that
only drive towards ONS sex, and break the more important skill set you
should be learning.
Put that into your direct vs indirect game pipe and smoke it. The argument
is not about direct / indirect, but about social grace.
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http://www.smoothinteractions.com
YEAH BIATCH!
I felt I should say that for some reason. Anyways, right on Steve. For those of you who don’t know the guy he is a true player with “tight” inner game.
Mystery wrote: “If I were singing in front of 60,000 perhaps it would work – in fact, I plan on doing this in the future.”
First the bumblebee outfit, now singing to crowds.
Hmmm… just let us know when we should start calling you ‘Sting’.
YEAH BIATCH!
i was really hoping stephane could write a response without using the word ‘squirt’, but again, I’m disappointed.
Btw…I was in a bookstore the otherday, just browsing, and came across a book on Sex Majick by Alister Crowley. Can anyone confirm whether or ot that’s the same ‘stuff’ stephane is peddaling to the casanova boys?
Jazbo…
I’m pretty I know who you are. As a matter of fact, I believe we went book shopping, made fun of animal rights activists and feminists, drank Southern Comfort and ate pizza on Saturday night.
Yeaaaaaaaaaaah.
Jazbo..
I’m pretty damn sure I know who you are. I’m also pretty damn sure we made fun of animal rights activists and feminists on Saturday. I’m also pretty damn sure that we made good fun of those frat guys that afternoon. I’m also pretty certain that you and I drank too much vodka and Southern Comfort that night. Good times.
DK
I use the direct approach, but can see how an indirect approach would work best in a group, especially one that includes men…
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