Cliff’s List Seminar Is Here!
July 15, 2005 by Thundercat
Filed under News
Well, it’s July 15th, and it looks like the biggest event in the seduction community this year, the Cliff’s List Seminar, is going to kick-off today!
Unfortuneately, I will not be a part of it.
Some responsibilities here in Los Angeles have forced me to cancel my trip to Cliff’s Seminar. Cliff knows about it, and I’m very sorry to all of you who were expecting to see me there. I was looking forward to meeting all the guest speakers and attendees, but right now a weekend in Montreal just isn’t possible for me.
If anyone would like to write a detailed report of the seminar (see my DYD Masters recap as an example) and take pictures of the event, I’ll pay $$$ to post it on my site. Just make sure it’s nice and detailed! =)
Here’s the breakdown of the CLS as it stands now:
CLIFF’S LIST SEMINAR
Meet and Learn from this outstanding and unprecedented collection of the Top Masters of the Game, including the following Guest Speakers who will be appearing IN PERSON:
CONFIRMED:
David DeAngelo (www.doubleyourdating.com)
Juggler (www.charismasciences.com)
Doc (see his interview at http://www.cliffslist.com/page2c.pl)
Steve Celeste (Toecutter) (www.smoothinteractions.com)
Tyler Durden (www.realsocialdynamics.com)
Style (world famous writer and seducer)
Brian (see his interview at http://www.cliffslist.com/page2c.pl)
Patty Contenta (http://www.sensualitysecrets.com/)
Stephane (www.ideagasms.com)
Steve Piccus (www.stevepiccus.com)
Mark B. (popular contributor to Cliff’s List)
Zan (famed rake!)
Brent (www.absolutepowerdating.com)
Michael Emery (Bishop) (www.new-alpha.com)
Lance Mason (Sensei) (www.pickup101.com)
Will (www.youaresoinmyway.com)
The_One (AKA Cameron Teone) (http://www.fidentia.org/)
Dr Alex Benzer aka Dr Tao
David Shade (http://masterful-lover.com/)
Mystery (www.mysterymethod.com)
Stephen (AKA PlayboyLA) (www.ceimageconsulting.com)
Mike (AKA Sickboy) (www.ceimageconsulting.com)Tentatively confirmed:
Dimitri/Vincent (w w w.rapidsocialimpact.com)Highly likely:
Bart Baggett (www.myhandwriting.com)
David Van Arrick (www.askmastercla ss.com)Also attending:
Papa (www.realsocialdynamics.com)
Formhandle (www.fastseduction.com)
TokyoPUA (www.fastseduction.com)
Dwacon (www.dwacon.com)
Orion
Greg (www.seductionpro.com)
Dave M. (www.insiderinternetdating.com)
Savoy & Sinn (www.mysterymethod.com)Please note that with such a large list of invited guests, we cannot be responsible for last minute changes including non appearance of one or more of the above. However, many others have been invited and we expect this list to grow substantially by the time of the event.
PARTIAL TENTATIVE TOPIC LIST (subject to change):
David DeAngelo: Will talk about advanced material that he hasn’t shared previously.
Bishop: "Know where you ARE, so you know where to GO in seduction."
Brent: "Taking Back the Power You’ve Given to Women"
Steve Piccus: Would You Date Yourself or Working your Complementary Opposites for improving your inner game.
Dr Alex Benzer aka Dr Tao: Will talk about beliefs, doing some seriously mind-altering drills, and talking about some techniques.
David Shade’s talk will be on: "Threesomes: The Secrets To Making Your Fantasy A Reality"
Sickboy & PlayboyLA: Secrets to pick-up that lead to long-term relationships. So often the pick-up has to do with getting laid, ONS (One Night Stands), etc. What we are interesting in pa ssing on is our technique for meeting women that encourages long-term, healthy relationships. We plan to go into specific techniques that we teach that a ssist this dynamic as well as building a lifestyle which naturally att racts women that you are compatible with, reducing your need to spend a lot of time "sarging". Our clients tend to be very busy, and just don’t have the time to go out to clubs/bars, etc. so we have had to customize our work in this fashion enabling them to meet women through the natural rhythm of living their life rather than hitting "sets" over and over.
Sensei: Will talk on "Kino: The Power of a Gentle Touch".
Zan: "A Love Affair With Women"
Style: His topic will be: "Beyond the Approach — How to Keep a Woman."
Cameron: Belief and mentality of a man who is successful in attracting women. Seeing the Matrix & The 5 Attributes of a seducers. He will give a quick background of his journey and why he joined the community. His talk will include being comfortable in your own skin and the belief system paradigm shift.
Mark B.: Will cover the basics, his background, his experience and how that changed him, att raction, how to connect, etc.
Patty Contenta: will talk on body language, and how to recognize a woman’s subtle signals.
FABULOUS SPECIAL PARTY INCLUDED!
As a special bonus, the Seminar will feature a spectacular party being thrown in cooperation with a modelling agency. Many very attractive women will be in attendance.
To all the attendees, pay particular attention to: Style (the most powerful of the Jedi (BE SURE TO ADDRESS HIM AS SUCH WHEN HE TAKES THE STAGE! =) ) , Steve Piccus (the godfather of the seduction community. He’ll deny it, but its rumored MINE’99 got some of his best stuff (you know, the stuff that actually works) from this guy! Also, be sure to ask him about his ideas on Threesomes!), and Zan (the coolest guy I’ve ever met in this community. We should all aspire to be like Zan!). You’ll be able to learn incredible stuff from ALL the speakers, but to me, these three are the stand-outs.
Good luck, have fun, and be sure to post all your exploits at the seminar to this thread!
And I’m serious about paying $$$ for a detailed recap of the seminar with pictures. Email me for deatials if you’re interested.
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Ross,
First off, I’m not anonymous and I’m not afraid of anything you might want to do to me in case I disagree with you. The email address on this post is a working one.
Second, understand that I don’t think that you are lying to me. I am simply saying that there is more to the story than what you’ve outlined here (as there usually is in a case like this).
Third, don’t think that if you send me out-of-context material I am all of a sudden going to start bashing David D. I’ve got reasons to admire him that go well beyond this unfortunate acrimony and I have no hero worship or illusions that anyone on this planet is perfect.
Cheers,
Señorlukas
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“Mr. DeAngelo doesn’t need anyone to cover for him, imvho. ”
Next thing you’ll be calling him Sir.
Señorlukas is holding his own against his Goo-Rooness RJ, LOL
If David Deangelo has so much power over Ross, then how WEAK is he?
It probably has everything to do with Ross fingering or fucking David Deangelo’s girlfriend while David was in the other room and that lead to DD opening up shop at DYD. Karma.
If you want to read more about that click right here for: Bishop Drops A MINE’99-Killing BOMB!
Here’s an excerpt:
Trusted friend: David Deangelo
This above link is bad, this is the correct one:
Bishop Drops A MINE’99-Killing BOMB!
I Just wanted to share the exploits I found from doing the Google search that you suggested. Thank you. Here’s a Testimonial I got from the first of the two sites you told everyone they would find! This is mind blowing stuff and I think My game will improve dramatically. I understand that your Real Ultimate Power is probably the reason you score so many women. For those of you interested Ninja Suggested doing a google search on him, and so I did. He claimed the first 2 websites would be of his exploits and let me be the first to say I am Impressed.
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Testimonial:
Ninjas can kill anyone they want! Ninjas cut off heads ALL the time and don’t even think twice about it. These guys are so crazy and awesome that they flip out ALL the time. I heard that there was this ninja who was eating at a diner. And when some dude dropped a spoon the ninja killed the whole town. My friend Mark said that he saw a ninja totally uppercut some kid just because the kid opened a window.
And that’s what I call REAL Ultimate Power!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you don’t believe that ninjas have REAL Ultimate Power you better get a life right now or they will chop your head off!!! It’s an easy choice, if you ask me.
Ninjas are sooooooooooo sweet that I want to crap my pants. I can’t believe it sometimes, but I feel it inside my heart. These guys are totally awesome and that’s a fact. Ninjas are fast, smooth, cool, strong, powerful, and sweet. I can’t wait to start yoga next year. I love ninjas with all of my body (including my pee pee).
Whoooohh!!!
I just found your video! It’s great!
In 15 minutes of watching this Im so impressed I can’t even imagine how my game will soar!
Here are links to the movie. EVERYONE should watch it!
Quicktime: http://www.foodforthemoon.com/ninja/video/RUPSpecialEdition.mov
RealPlayer: http://www.foodforthemoon.com/ninja/video/FFTM-RUP.ram
Thanks again Ninja!!!
Hey Flair. My good friend Hulk Hogan said you were causing trouble around here….and since you won’t listen to him maybe just maybe I’ll have to flex and scare you outta here. FLEXXX.
Now take your beak nose out of here or you’ll get torture racked you saggy titted old man. Don’t make me get Sting in here, he’s been really pissed off lately!
Flair, Hogan-
THE ROCK says he gonna lay the SMACKETH DOWNETH on BOTH OF YOUR CANDY ASSETHS if you don’t KNOW YOUR ROLE SHUT YOUR MOUTHS!!
Both of you are old GEEZERS. Hogan, “Whatcha gonna SONNY…When my 24 inch go GUMS run wild on YOU SONNY!!”
Fair, “Woooooooo, brother! That was a stinky one …whether ya LIKE it…or don’t like it, WOOOOOO!!!
THE ROCK says if you don’t like that, JUST BRING IT!
If ya SMMMMMMMMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLALALALALALA…
…what THE ROCK…
…IS…
…COOKIN’!!
[Rock's Music plays...]
Flair, Hogan-
THE ROCK says he’s gonna lay the SMACKETH DOWNETH on BOTH OF YOUR CANDY ASSETHS if you don’t KNOW YOUR ROLE, AND SHUT YOUR MOUTHS!!
Both of you are old GEEZERS. Hogan, “Whatcha gonna DO SONNY…When my 24 inch GUMS and squeaky bald-ass head run wild on YOU, SONNY!!”
Fair, “Woooooooo, brother! That was a stinky one …whether ya LIKE it…or don’t like it, WOOOOOO!!!
THE ROCK says if you don’t like that, JUST BRING IT!
If ya SMMMMMMMMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLALALALALALA…
…what THE ROCK…
…IS…
…COOKIN’!!
-The Rock
P.S. The Rock says, if you make mention of all the typos in his PREVIOUS post, you’re gonna get a FIST in your MOUTH and a FOOT in your ASS!!
Everybody wants to talk about the Nature Boy…
Hogan! You’re walkin around flappin your gums about, “What cha gonna do when I Run wild and rip my shirt and take my Vitamins all over you!”
Ya got… Savage! Oooohh Yeeeahhin his way around still mad because Elizabeth dumped you for Yours Truely.
Ya Got… Luger! I don’t even have to remind you of this! http://www.wrestlingphotos.net/flairluger.htm
And Ya Got Sting… Whooohh! Sting! I beat ya at Starcade and I’ll beat ya at Seduction Fest 2005!! Whoooooh!!
And now ya got the Rock cookin up… Whooooh! Cookin up Somethin that smells god-aweful! Talkin about Kitchins and Cookin! You should be on Iron Chef cuz ya aint got what it takes to be playing with the big-boys!
You all want what the Nature Boy’s got. You all wanna take what I started. I got the Money, and the Women and the Limo’s and the Jet Air-Planes! Whoooh! I got the world record for the most championship titles. Who’s gonna win 16 times? How many of you got the Figure Four?
DeAngelo! You walk around with your Cocky-Funny, and your Dark-Side and your Centering your path Hoodoo… Whoooh!! I’ll tell ya that I was Cocky-funny way back in the Horseman Days and Im still the king of the Darkside, baby!
Jeffries! I’m gonna NLP ya into the turnbuckle! Whoooh! I’ll run the Figure Four pattern on ya and get you to submit to my will so fast it’ll make you anchor pain into you kneecaps!! Whoooooh! You think you got seduction baby? Well let me tell ya somethin (points to championship belt) This is all the seduction I need! I had to wipe more lipstick off this than the amount of patterns you’ve ever run. Not only that but you know where Bandler and Grinder got their ideas from? Me baby Whhhoooooohh!! I even told them they should form a tag team to go against the Road Warriors!
Then you got a Spanish Fellow and a Japanese assassin and a Church Leader all vieing for the top spot. Ya got some guy anmed after a side of a mountain you can fall off of! You got another guy who likes to be Tentatively confirmed to keep himself a sought after, mysterious guy! Whooooh!
At Seduction Fest 2005… I’ve already talked to Vince McMahon and We’re gonna do a Battle Royal, King of the Ring baby (crowd goes wild) and You all better be there!! I’ll show you all who started this seduction community once and for all! Because wether you like it, or ya don’t like it, whoooooh! ya better learn to love it! Because it’s the best thing goin! whooooh!
Truth got his own personal bitch on the board and now I got mine, “Ninja Action Power.” Wasting your time on something you know isn’t where I was sending everyone. In the hour and a half it took you to research all that shit, you could have done tons of approaches on beautiful women. Oh that’s right, you’re a virgin. Man, it’s OK, it’s cool man. I have it from good sources, your master’s cat, Tabbitha Jean Tigress will shit a turd in your honor tonight for not applying the crap he taught you on real women. Congratulations Action Power, you and the other SSers shall sit home tonight mentally masturbating what could have been with that hot babe you missed out on today.
This is where I was sending everyone, click here and the first 2 entries are mine.
Senior Lucas,
Send me an email. We’ll talk.
Thundercat
I am putting together a page on my site, covering the things I talked about at the seminar, as well as the things I was unable to share due to a technical miscommunication. My AlphaList was promised this stuff first, but afterward I will post the page url here, so you get everything I intended to share at the seminar.
(There will even be an audio file, which you can download and save)
If you need to ask me something, e-mail me (michaelemery@new-alpha.com), as I will be too busy with projects and stuff to check in here for a little while.
Live Unleashed!
Bishop
At least you made it to the seminar and saw an old chum in Deangelo, maybe we’ll see an Interviews with dating Gurus – Bishop edition soon enough.
On the other hand, his Goo Roo-ness Paul Ross Jeffries/Jeffrey stayed home to whine and pout about Deangelo keeping him from the seminar. Can you believe Deangelo has so much power over Ross that he kept him FROM the Montreal seminar. Didn’t think so, Ross is full of it.
Living Unleashed! Ninja
Dear Mr Ninja,
I don’t have a master or know anyone besides my brother who has a cat and Im sure he didn’t name it Tabitha. I simply did a google search for myself since I am not lazy and looked up your name. I was only being honest and I am really impressed. Please don’t totally flip out on me and chop my head off or kill my whole town! I will take extra care to make sure noone is dropping any spoons; and I have air conditioning so I don’t need to open my windows. As a piece offering please accept this bit of information that Im sure will interest you.
There seems to be a secret war going on between pirates and ninjas. It could be because Pirates are always trying to steal the booty from ninjas but im not sure. Im guessing Ross Jeffries could Secretly be a Pirate and thats why you don’t like each other, but Im no expert on these things. Here’s some proof.
http://www.viciouscyclone.com/Adz/Ad003.html
http://web.syr.edu/~ormykyta/flash/pirate.html
http://www.minijuegos.com/juegos/jugar.php?id=17056
http://ninjaswithguitar2.tripod.com/ninjas_and_pirates.html
Oh, poor baby Paul Ross is having another melt down. You sound like you didn’t get your afternoon nap and you need a hug. It’s hard being so smart, so innovative and having a direct link to Bandler. Boo hoo–no one appreciates all your hard work Paulie.
Dad (Ric Flair)…….you’re kinda embarassing me in front of my friends.
As you know I read the Art of Approaching and used an opinion opener “Do you think your legs would look better wrapped around my face or my back”……..and voila, I got 5’11” Stacey, the hottest wrestling chick around. I am the best PUA in wrestling today, WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOH!
So dad, act your age and talk to other old has-beens like Ross.
“At least you made it to the seminar and saw an old chum in Deangelo, maybe we’ll see an Interviews with dating Gurus – Bishop edition soon enough.”
I dont see why David D hasn’t interviewed Rick yet, that would be a massive interview – though I suspect its because Ross interviewed Rick years ago and it may look like David D is just coping his product.
I’m sure glad no one made me have to spell “Zybysko” in this thread.
The afterlife just got wireless!
Did you catch me in The Princess Bride?
You’re ALL pencil-necked GEEKS who couldn’t get a real woman to save your lives. Get a fucking spine!
Andre, I saw the Princess Bride and you looked like a pencil-necked fairy just like when you’d beat up on two or three midgets in a handicap match. Does that make you feel like a MAN?
Wanna see a REAL MOVIE? Try “My Breakfast With Blassie.” Two brilliant men discussing the world (including its women) over a nice meal at a pancake house.
Freddie take your pencil-necked DICK outta here.
Hi boys! I’m an HB10!
The interview with Rick H. has a Speed Seduction slant to it. If David D. would just interview Rick H this time, I’m certain you will see a man totally evolved from SS onto a whole other level way beyond what Speed Seduction could ever hope to be.
The same applies to Bishop in this case. Bishy has indicated he has grown way beyond his SS days, you can tell this is true if you’ve heard his program. Now if only DD would interview the old chum, no doubt it would be a bestseller. Some of the guys he has interviewed so far are questionable as you can hear their BS on the tape.
David D., put Rick H. and Bishop on the monthly interview series!
This just in folks! I looks like it’s going to be a main event at the next Seduction Fest 2005.
The match will feature Speed Seducing Legend Ross Jeffries in a Triple-Threat (that’s the best of 3 falls) match up against his former student and Master of the DYD David DeAngelo.
Rumors also have come to light that a possible guest referee will be none other than Mystery; though he has not confirmed or denied yet whether he will be attending. Stay Tuned.
Get you tickets now for this pay per view even, folks… It’ll be a good one.
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Gene,
Give me back my mic!
Someone get me a chair and brass knuckles.
I dye my hair blond like Elvis.
I’m the most boring wrestling champion of all time.
Not even close, Nick.
No wacked out psycho republicans for prez…no wussy big nosed democrats……
JESSE_VENTURA_For_President
TC,
A problem with the design of this blog is that people can post nonsense like this and bury potentially useful debate. One tiny suggestion:
On the right hand side, where it says “recent posts”, instead of only listing the most recent 10 posts there, make it a HYPERLINK, which would open up a new page and ALL recent posts would show up there.
It would make it much easier to find what we’re looking for, and much harder for people to bury the conversation in nonsense WWE craporama.
Cheers,
Señorlukas
A problem with these debates is that it’s losing sight of Seduction and sounding more and more like a soap opera and pro-wrestling. Perhaps there should be a section where all the wannabes can go and argue with each other about who’s the best and who sucks and let the serious people talk about ways to better their seduction skills.
This should be about having fun seducing women, not about a bunch of people pretending and flaming each other for oneupmanship. It’s lame, boring and old and all it shows is that there are alot of people out there who are taking out their frustrations here instead of improving themselves in the field.
Apparently people agree with me since I’ve only posted as the wrestler Ric Flair and The announcer Gene Okerlund.
This should be a place of fun and a place of learning, but that’s just my opinion. Endless useless arguemnts are just that. Debates help people learn while flame wars are just to get people pissed.
WhoooooooooH!!!
Ric Flair, you pencil-necked geek.
It is I, El Rosso Lucho Libre who rules the ring.
My supplex will break your scrawny back.
And my step-over-toe-hold will have you screaming like my little bitch!
When I get you in the steel cage, it’s just you, me, and 50,000 screaming Ross-o-Maniacs!
RJ
93/93
LONG LIVE SS
SS the gateway to a womans mind.
Loyal Subject
NEW STUFF NEW STUFF WHEN!!!!!
It’s kinda like you can just Stop… and Imagine a time in the future, say four years from now… when you’re still in the hospital feeling that incredible pain I put on you with My figure four Baby… Whooooh!!
I was watching the Spice Network the other day and there was this Show. It was about a guy who wanted to become a wrestling champion (sp). Wouldn’t that be a cool way to make a living?
HB Elizabeth: Oooh I really like wrestlers… They’re soo seductive and make me feel all knee-wobbly.
Yea, I think you learn alot about people by finding out what their passions (sp) are.
Anyways, He was talking about how you can perform the most perfect (sp) wrestling move to cause the most effective amount of pain (sp) to your opponent. He said on the one hand, your move is totally (sp) dominating and powerful, but on the otherhand the opponent knows he’s in total Danger (kinoing your kneecap) and that he better just give up now before it’s too late.
You really shouldn’t Feel an overwhelming sense of fear and hopelessness when I enter the squared circle. It’s just like when you’re first learning to ride a bicycle and you just took off your training wheels and you’re feeling confident and proud and so you decide to take a ride down to the local candy store to get a whistle-pop. And you’re on your way and the warm sun is shining down on you and suddenly out of NOWHERE THIS GIANT TRUCK Slams into your bike ans crushes it and sends you flying into the trash barrels on the side of the road, Baby!! Whoooooh!! And you never want to ride a bicycle again!!!
Now if that doesn’t get you guys smiling and laughing and having a good time, then It’s hopeless and I’m finished. Nothing Ive posted was meant as a personal attack or anything of the like, it was meant to put a fun spin on all this stuff. Other people joined in, even Ross and thats all. Don’t take this seduction stuff like a job or a competition simply because (Ill tell you from experience) you will get burned out and hate it. Flirting with women is fun, Getting laid is Fun, kissing a women for that first time is Fun, Grabbing a Girls ass after she tells you she wants you to is Great fun. Whispering to her that she has a lovely ass is fun.
FUN I wasn’t picking on you, ninja or anyone else, to get you pissed, I was attempting to make you laugh. All of you; I was trying to get you to smile or laugh and stop taking this so seriously. When you go up to a chick if she smells serious and self-importance you’re finished. If she senses confidance and Fun you got a good chance.
Thats all I gotta say and thanks to those who caught on and participated. Im actually reading this blog and smiling. Life is too short to take seriously. In the words of two people MUCH WISER than I am:
Carlos Castaneda: “Are you angry with me, don Juan?”
Don Juan Matus: “No! I’m never angry at anybody! No human being can do anything important enough for that. You get angry at people when you feel that their acts are important. I don’t feel that way any longer.”
Peace,
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Geese Howard (a.k.a. Getting Laid, Ninja Action Power, Ric Flair, Nature Boy, “Mean Gene Okerlund) The rest are other people I don’t even know
Flame away if you like ;op
New stuff only comes from the SS camp when Ross steals it from a student, or some 3000 years of Yoga Kama Sutra material you can find on the internet yourself. Breath of Fire!!!!!!
Loyal Subject, don’t you have your own brain, one where you can control it instead of having it devoted to RJ? Grow some balls maybe?
Oh yea and Ross, I love your stuff. So far I like alot of the Seduction stuff I study from everyone. Each method has it’s plusses and minuses. That is the way life is.
Be proud that so many people have followed in your footsteps whether they even know it or not. A good Kung-Fu Master is proud when/if his student’s skills surpass even his. This is the mark of a good teacher. Forget pride and move on down your path.
Yup. It’s those cult boys from the Speed Seduction camp throwing around more useless shit with their Master’s permission. Don’t these guys ever grow any balls or a mind of their own to go out and fuck hot babes instead of KJing to death about the WWE and taking this way off topic.
Fact:
Ross wasn’t at Cliff’s seminar.
Fact:
He blames Deangelo for the absence.
Fact:
Thus, Deangelo has tons of sway over him and makes RJ look like a beta-male, a Tool.
“Yup. It’s those cult boys from the Speed Seduction camp throwing around more useless shit with their Master’s permission. Don’t these guys ever grow any balls or a mind of their own to go out and fuck hot babes instead of KJing to death about the WWE and taking this way off topic.
Fact:
Ross wasn’t at Cliff’s seminar.
Fact:
He blames Deangelo for the absence.
Fact:
Thus, Deangelo has tons of sway over him and makes RJ look like a beta-male, a Tool.”
-sigh
I’ve never been to ANYONES seminar unless you consider mASF a Seminar. Go back and read my earlier post.
-Sigh….. Geez Howard.
Someones been to a DYD body language seminar
i know this is a bit off the topic, but i always hear people mentioning rich h been the master. ive seen him in the advanced series but he doesnt seem so godly to me… anyone got stories about the adventures of rich h and his 10 billion chicks to tell? i wana know wat his really like.
New stuff only comes from the SS camp when Ross steals it from a student, or some 3000 Loyal Subject, don’t you have your own brain, one where you can control it instead of having it devoted to RJ? Grow some balls maybe?
Did I say I was devoted to RJ? No I did not, I said I was devoted to SS. It works for me, always has. Now I’m sorry if it doesn’t work for other people. To be honest I’m concerned only for me..:)
I have a brain and balls as well, thank you for being concerned for them.
I agree that some of the stuff RJ is into, I detest, such as the yoga and magik. But he has the right to do whatever he likes, as you and I do.
Again, I am a fan of SS, not Ross. And I do use material from other people as well.
Ninja, you are just full of hate…go out and FTOW..:)
Loyal Subject
I trully believe that this Cliffs List “seminar” was very much like the PUA summits in LA and Austin. I dont really see any difference. Its a whole bunch of PUA´s who go and talk about their methods and products…the difference here is that Cliff is CHARGING money for guys to attend and on a summit….its free for all. Yeah you have probably more PUA´s there…but its $$$$$$$$$ what moves this…..