DYD Masters Recap, Day 4

Okay guys, here we go again with my last recap of the DYD Masters Seminar.  What a great experience this turned out to be.  Whenever I go to one of these seminars, I always come out feeling like I learned something.  And you do meet interesting people at these things.  That’s one of my favorite parts of going to events such as this, because you always come out having met lots of interesting people, and even a few new friends.

The last day of the Seminar, in my opinion, wasn’t as good as Day 3, but it came awful close, mostly due to Swinggcat and the Real Social Dynamics crew sharing some amazing stuff with the audience.

The Good

The day before, I had heard that Day 4 was going to be nothing but guest speakers, so I was sure to actually show up on time this day (though that was quite an ordeal, seeing as how I was out late with Rick H and crew the night before).  I had enjoyed the guest speakers so much on Day 3, I wanted to make sure I didn’t miss any of the ones presenting on Day 4.

But David D took the stage yet again in the morning to share his last bit of new material with his audience.  The attendees had thinned out a bit on this day, since I’m thinking most of them probably had to catch flights back home so they could be back for work on Monday.  Also, all the RSD boys were absent, probably recovering from the night before.

David D talked about the kind of tests women through at you to make you jump through hoops.  These included the following:

–Acting jealous to make you change how you behave
–Complaining about something you do emotionally
–Using affection or sex as a tool to get what they want and rationing it
–Being unavailable
–Mentioning that other men are interested in her to see how you’ll respond.

He went on to say that women will act differently if you’re one of the guys who “gets it.”  You can say “Stop that stuff” in response to her tests and she’ll know what you mean.  You won’t feel out of control all the time, and she’ll feel more satisfied in general.

He also went on to talk about Universal Problems for Guys when it comes to approaching women.  They are:

–Anxiety approaching women, fear of rejection
–Fear that an attractive woman won’t like them
–Performance anxiety
–Fear of making a physical advance
–Nervousness first talking to a woman or on a first date

One common denominator among most men is them putting too much importance on one specific situation or outcome rather than placing the importance on getting the bigger picture.  David D reminded us that these things are universal.  Almost all men experience them in one way or another.  You need to realize that this stuff is natural and you can overcome it if you want.  The first step to doing so is to stop putting too much importance on any one situation and thinking long term.

David D then went on to outline his key principals for approaching women.  They are:
–Now is better than later (sort of like the 3 second rule)
–Saying anything is better than saying nothing
–It’s all upside, no downside (you lose nothing by approaching a woman)
–If this one doesn’t work, there will be 100 more women later (plenty of fish in the sea)
–At worst, I learn something, and the lessons that are learned are priceless
–Have one default thing ready to say
–If she doesn’t go for you, it’s her loss

If you have an interest in learning more about approaching women, be sure to check out my book The Art of Approaching.

After he finished with his material, David called Orion onto stage.  Some of you may remember Orion from past DYD products, including the Advanced series and the Interview series.  Orion is also one of the old time SS superstars from back in the day, and can also be heard on the BHSC, along with his Magical Connection Videos.

It’s obvious David D and Orion are old friends.  In a seminar where it was evident David D did not have much rapport with his guests, Orion was one of the few he seemed to be able to interact well with on stage (the other two being Rick H and Marie).  David D recounted how he’s seen Orion get up to 25 numbers in one evening, and told the audience how Orion approached one of the actresses who was filming a movie in the hotel a few days before and got a number of pictures with her (I think it was the red-haired chick from That 70’s Show).

Anyway, Orion talked about things to do on dates.  He also talked about his Tarot Cards, and how he likes to use them with girls to escalate things.  The biggest thing I got out of his interview with David D was when Orion said “Any limitation can be seen as a huge advantage.”  I think this is good stuff because so many people look at their limitations as barriers, whereas when looked at a different light, they can actually be beneficial.

Orion’s interview wasn’t all that long, so I don’t have much to write about when it comes to it.  He did pass out his own Tarot Cards that he designed and used on dates, and they were pretty cool.  They even have little poems on them you can read to the girl which explains what the card means.   Orion also offers personal seduction coaching through his website and offered to give DYD attendees a special discount off his tarot deck.

The next guest up on stage was Swinggcat.  At first, David D started interviewing him like he was doing with Orion, but once it became clear that Swinggcat wasn’t going to give David a chance to talk (He’s up there with Mystery when it comes to hogging the stage =) David walked off and let Swinggcat run the show.

Swinggcat talked about his Kill Bill metaphor about how there are two types of guys with women:  The Worker Bee, and The Renegade Killer Bee.  He said that in order to be good with women, you have to be a Renegade Killer Bee.

He went on to elaborate that most people have shortcomings that make you believe you can’s succeed with women, and that’s the Worker Bee mentality where men are trying to please women into looking past those shortcomings and liking them.

He said this mentality is because most men don’t know what attraction is.  He went on to define attraction as “It’s what women respond to, not what they prefer.”  The harsh truth of the matter, he said, is that women prefer tall, dark, and handsome guys with big dicks.  But that’s not necessarily what they may respond to.  Women respond to your actions and your communication, so there are things you can do to create attraction, even if you’re not what she prefers.

Swinggcat elaborated that if you can create the emotion in her that she is constantly wanting and reaching for more of you, you define yourself as the one who is the PRIZE in the interaction.

Swingg also touched on belief systems and why they are important.  He echoed the thoughts of many other guest speakers at the seminar by saying “Our beliefs become our reality.”  He also talked about the importance of having a strong intent when talking to women.  Having that desire to do whatever it takes to achieve your intended outcome and having the belief that can happen is the key to being successful in life and with women.

He then went on to share exercises for creating a strong intent, and how he will visualize women he’s talking to as feeling sexual tension and being attracted to him, and that because that’s his frame, women will go along with it.  He then touched on Frames and Metaframes, and said that within every interaction, people’s actions have an underlying meaning, which is defined as the “frame” of the interaction.

Now it was time for Swinggcat to talk about traits women like.  He said that women like guys with extremely high standards, because it gives them a model to strive to live up to.  He talked about a routine he has to communicate this to women, that goes as follows:

“Are you adventurous?  Are you spontaneous?  If you were in kissing school, what grade would your kissing teacher give you?”  (get her answer) “Let’s find out.” (kiss her)

He explained that this technique works because he gets her to ratify that she’s adventurous and spontaneous, then if she backs out of the kiss, she’s seen as a liar and incongruent.  After you’re done kissing her, he’ll then give her a grade that’s lower than the one she gave herself, to get her to qualify to him and communicate that he’s the one judging her and therefore has the high standard.

He also said that women like guys who challenge them.  Anything you can do to get a woman to qualify to you is a good thing, because that’s when they are wanting and reaching for your approval (after all, you’re the one who’s setting the challenge).

And finally, he said that women like guys who have a strong reality.  How do you have a strong reality?  By defining the underlying meaning of the interaction as you being the prize.  You also want to control the frame.  You know you’re controlling the frame because you’ll be the person doing the least work in the interaction (ie:  they’re the one’s trying to engage you).  Swingg elaborated that you want to focus on yourself and give the woman directions and take a strong lead.  You want to bring them into your story.  You do this by taking the spotlight in the interaction and not asking too many questions.  He said you always want to bring her into your world when you meet a woman.

If you’re interested in finding out more about Swinggcat and his method and philosophy on picking up women, be sure to check out his website realworldseduction.com.  You can also email him at swinggcat@realworldseduction.com

After Swinggcat came a guest speaker I was not familiar with.  His real name was Eric, but he goes by “Hypnotica,” and is a friend of Steve Piccus, the unsung godfather of the seduction community.  A lot of the concepts that Steve Piccus developed were the basis of a great many things we now take for granted.

Hypnotica really lived up to his name.  The guy is the very definition of a Man.  He reminded me of Wolverine from the X-Men movies.  He had an extremely large presence, and when he was up on stage, he OWNED the room.  Hypnotica is a hypno-therapist, and talked a great deal about energy and other wu-wu stuff.  But when he talked about it, it actually made a lot of sense.  In a way, it reflected what Amber had shared with the seminar on Day Two, but was much more relatable due to Hypnotica’s stage presence.

He talked about how masculine energy is nothingness, and feminine energy is love, and how the ultimate goal of the feminine is to open up the infinite and embrace the nothingness of the male.  He described anxiety as misused energy, and how you have to give yourself the flexibility to fail.

He talked about the mediocre man’s existence, and how mediocre men enjoy nothingness.  Then women enter in, and the mediocre man buys into their energy.  They move to the masculine extreme of nothingness and lose their way.

Hypnotica described the job of the man as opening up the woman to nothingness and God.  He said in order to do this, you must know your life’s purpose and take time to practice and think about life.

I know in reading this, you guys are probably thinking “this sounds like complete bullshit,” and in reading it myself, I agree with you.  But Hypnotica’s presence was so powerful, you could FEEL what he was getting at when he talked about this.  I really believe this will come through if his section makes it onto the final product.

To give you an idea how powerful his presence is, I’ll share an anecdote with you from the seminar.  At one point, an attendee got up and asked a question.  The attendee was rambling a bit, and Hypnotica boomed out “STOP!  What is your purpose?”  The guy froze, and tried to answer, but again, Hypnotica replied “STOP!  What is your purpose?”  His presence was so powerful, the attendee started shaking and tried to reply.  Again, Hypnotic said to him “STOP!  WHAT IS YOUR PURPOSE!”  Seriously, everyone thought the attendee was going to cry.  It reminded me of a scene from the movie Fight Club where Brad Pitt has a convenience store clerk on his knees with a gun to his head, and changes the guy’s reality.  That’s what Hypnotica did.  He pulled the guy’s life purpose right out of him and gave him a powerful direction to move in.  it was quite powerful.

Then, Steve Piccus took the stage, and the two men took the seminar through a guided visualization layered with hypnotic suggestions.  It was quite a relaxing part of the seminar, and Hypnotica told a great story involving a hunter, a unicorn, and a lion that will be important later on in the recap.  This was a very trippy presentation, and had I been high, I’m sure it would have changed my life.  As it was, I just ended up falling asleep.  Whether that was from the hypnosis or the lack of sleep the night before, I’ll probably never know.

If you’re interested in learning more about Hypnotica and Steve Piccus, and their form of radical hypnotherapy, you can check out their websites.  You can find out more about Hypnotica at www.hypnotica.org and visit Steve Piccus’s homepage at www.stevepiccus.com.  I highly recommend you guys check both of these things out, especially if you have an interest in hypnosis and NLP.

So next up was the big coup de grace for the seminar, and that is the Real Social Dynamics crew!  David D got up on stage and gave a big buildup for the guys, then introduced Tyler Durden, who told everyone about RSD and what they’re up to and what they’re about.  He then introduced PlayboyLA, who took the stage.

PlayboyLA was probably the most profound of the RSD guest speakers.  If there was a guy out there who didn’t know anything about this stuff, he’s have been wowed by PlayboyLA’s speech.  First thing PlayboyLA did was do an entire 10 minute set with nothing but canned material.  It was extremely smooth and polished from one story to the other, and he performed it as if he was sarging an HB on sunset.  He also spun an impromptu routine from the story about the hunter, the unicorn, and the lion Hypnotica shared with the group.  It was truly a sight to see, and really set the bar high for the other presenters who came after him.

PlayboyLA talked about building Material and Routines.  He said that at the beginning stage, you want to keep your material light and fun and short.  For the middle game, you want to keep to cocky/funny routines for the attraction phase, but as you pass into the comfort phase, you want to make them longer, keep them funny, but they have to start demonstrating personality and give a glimpse into your  life, while opening the way for you to start light kino.  For the end game, he said your routines have to build a connection with the girl and lead them into a more sexual/seduction mindset, while you escalate things both physically and emotionally.

He said that you MUST build tension when doing your routines in order to get attraction, and to reframe everything the girl says so it’s cocky/funny and you’re leading the process.

PlayboyLA’s talk was fantastic, and gave a lot of great information.  It was a real highlight of Day 4.  Next up, he introduced the one, the only… PAPA!

Papa hopped up on stage and talked briefly about how to be an effective wingman.  Papa isn’t much of a public speaker though, so he seemed a little awkward up there, but held his own well.  Most of his talk was on lifestyle, and how the RSD crew lives their lives.  He talked about Project Hollywood, which he said has been upgraded to Project Mayhem (a-la Fight Club) where they’re trying to get guys around the world to get awesome houses close to their city’s nightlife so they can life the life of the Pick-Up Artist.  I won’t be surprised if Papa’s talk got cut, because though it was interesting, it shared little in the way of tips and tactics that would be useful for the guy who wants to learn to get better than women, so don’t be surprised if it’s not in the final product.

Next up was The One and his regular wingman Dreamweaver, also known as RSD’s “Top Gun Wings.”  The took the stage with great gusto and energy, and their entire talk centered around what it means to be a good wingman and help your buddy score.  I found this talk to be extremely interesting, since they had a great deal of fantastic information to help guys support each other while in set.

The talked about how wingmen have to have rules, and that you and your wingman need to know the rules before interacting with women so you’re not stepping on each other’s feet and getting upset with each other.  They said the first rule of a good wing is:

“Whoever opens a set, controls the set, and gets his choice of the target.”

That means, the guy who does the hard work and opens the set not only gets to pick the girl he goes after, but he also takes the lead in the set.  So the wingman is there to support him, and tackle any UGS or Obstacles within the set.

Probably the most important thing The One and Dreamweaver had to share was that you have to act like your wing is the coolest guy ever.  You have to make him out to be simply AWESOME, just as cool as you are.  They also said that you should always laugh at what your wing thinks is funny, which is really important in supporting your wing.  Act like he is the funniest, coolest guy in the world.  Always support your wing.

I got a lot of great stuff from The One and Dreamweaver’s talk, and it is really important for you guys out there who go out with other guys on a regular basis to sarge to learn this stuff.  There’s lots more, but I won’t go into detail here (buy the product, fellas), but I will say this is a part of the presentation where I got a lot of new tactics from.

Next up was a real treat, not just for me, but the audience as well, and that was from the TWO-MOTHERFUCKING-DASH-SIX!!!!  Yes, that’s right ladies and gentlemen, we’re not worthy!  We’re not worthy!  We are in the presence of the one and only Twentysix!!!

Twentysix took the stage and instantly lived up to all the hype that surrounds him.  Not only is Twentysix the most genuine guy out there, but he is also one of the funniest!  If you guys have not picked up his interview with David D yet, you need to do that NOW!

So Twentysix took the stage and instantly had the audience roaring with laughter.  He talked about how he goes out four times a week, and if you want to get good, you gotta start approaching regularly.  But the biggest part of his talk was on roleplaying and using props.  He talked about how you want to roleplay that the girl is a total dweeb and you’re the coolest guy in the world.

He used a cigarette case to act like it was the girl, and talked in a very funny “girl voice” making it sound like the chick is completely retarded.  He also said a fun thing to do is grab something, pretend it’s a microphone, and sing a song about the girl.  He demonstrated with a spoon and bounced around the stage singing…

“Marry… Marry is retard-ed… my name’s Mary and I’m a lose-er!  Look at me, I’m a loser and my name’s Mar-ry!”

That’s not a direct quote, but you get the picture.  When Twentysix did it, it was funny, trust me.  He also likes to do that when a girl’s on a cell phone.  He’ll go up beside them, act like he’s on a cell phone, and imitate the girl.  But when he talks on his phone, he’ll say stuff in his “girl voice” like “Meeeehhhh!  I’m stupid!  My name’s Mary and I’m stupid!”

He also likes to play games with girls.  One of them is “Fuck, Marry, Kill” which is a game he got from listening to the Howard Stern show.  You play it by pointing out three guys in the club and telling her “You have to fuck one of them, marry one of them, and kill one of them.  Which one would you do what to?”

He’ll also do stuff like ask a girl for her cell phone and start playing games on it in front of her.  He also likes to play slap hands with girls, and give them noogies and Indian sunburns and other stupid stuff.  Twentysix was also big on recall humor, and said to keep bringing up stuff that was funny earlier in the interaction, because it’s still gonna be funny (and creates a connection by putting it in the realm of “in joke”).

He also shared a real novel way to use your cell phone, and how your cell phone, as a prop, can be your best wingman ever.  You can act like you are the MAN on the cell phone, walk around the club demanding outrageous stuff on the cell, like you’re having a really intense conversation:

“No, you tell Spielberg you shove it!  This movie is getting made TOMORROW!”

He also said that if you’re at a club alone, instead of just sitting in a corner with your drink, whip out your cell and act like you’re talking on it.  It will make you look less pathetic, because it’s natural to be alone when talking on the phone.

Twentysix had other great things to share, and introduced Xaneus before leaving the stage.

For those of you who don’t know who Xaneus is, he’s one of the guy’s living at Project Hollywood.  Well, not really.  He actually lives in a tent in Project Hollywood’s backyard.  I hereby dub him with the new nick-name “Nature Boy X.”

Anyway, Xaneus takes the stage and talks about application of cocky/funny stuff.  He shared a few anecdotes of pick-ups he’s done.  He was pretty awkward on stage though, and kept breathing into his microphone.  After a while, it sounded like Darth Vader was in the room (only this time, it sounded more like “Pooo-Ahh, Poo-Ahh” when he breathed).  I don’t think Xaneus will be kept in the final product because his talk was light on tactics in addition to all the audio problems caused by him breathing into the mic.

Lastly was Sickboy, the last superstar of RSD.  Sickboy has also done an interview with David D, and had a very laid back presentation on stage.  He talked about the picture routine, and how you take self-portraits with girls.  He also talked about how powerful it is to make fun of a girl’s mannerisms (Best Friends Test, Girl Code, Accusing them of having ADD).  He also talked about Body Language, and how you want to be laid back and approaching at an angle.  He shared that the best way to get women engaged really quickly is to bust on them.

Sickboy wasn’t on stage for too long, because much of the typical RSD tactics had already been covered.  He entertained a question or two before leaving the stage.

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The Bad

Not too much bad on Day Four as the seminar was winding down.  I found Orion’s interview to be a bit unstructured and lacking any substantial information, but a DYD seminar without Orion is like going to a movie without popcorn.  It’s just unnatural.

Some of the people had a hard time with Hypnotica’s presentation, probably because the sour taste of the Amber experience was still fresh in their mouths.  But a lot of people were more tolerant of what Hypnotica had to say.  Many agreed that Hypnotica’s speech before the guided visualization was actually really good and had a lot of interesting stuff in it.  It was kind-of weird to see such a manly guy talk about wu-wu stuff though.

As I mentioned before, both Papa’s and Xaneus’s talks will probably be cut because they didn’t have much good information in them that can be applied to people outside the community.

One thing I was surprised about was how much the RSD crew actually shared with the audience.  I was actually sinking in my seat at certain points because they were giving away such good stuff (and stuff I use regularly).  Before long, we’re gonna have thousands of guys using David Bowie, Best Friends Test, Who Lies More, etc., etc.  I wish they had given away some new stuff so I wouldn’t have to go out and learn some new routines, damn them!

The Ugly

Not a whole lot of ugly this day either.  I overheard David D talking to someone about how he was worried that Hypnotica and Steve Piccus’s thing was wierding out the audience.  The friend David D was talking to joked about why Steve Piccus always has to talk about unicorns in some fashion or another.

The biggest Ugly of the day was Rick H making fun of the RSD guys on stage.  He could be seen in the back of the room making quips about them, and later on in the hallway (particularly about Xaneus living in a tent, but hey the guys still gets laid, so what does that say about his skill?  YOU GO NATURE BOY X!!!!).  Of course, after hanging out with Rick the night before, I realize this is just Rick, who busts everyone’s balls.  Of course, there might be a twinge of jealousy there, but oh well.

One of the things I was surprised to learn was how much Hypnosis/NLP stuff PlayboyLA uses in his material.  I talked to him about it afterwards and he revealed to me that he had a background in SS before he got into RSD.  After seeing him in action a few times, I can say without a doubt that PlayboyLA is the only person I’ve seen who can combine so many different styles of pick-up so successfully.  Probably one of the reasons he’s so good!

There were also rumors of a drug-induced outing after the seminar involving one of the Guest Speakers, but I won’t mention who that was since I wasn’t there to see it for myself.

David X also showed up after the seminar ended and mingled with a few of the guys for a while.

My Experience

It was a bittersweet ending to the DYD Master’s Seminar for me.  I had a great time and loved meeting and hanging out with everyone there.  It was like a big vacation for me.  But I was also exhausted and looking forward to getting back to my normal life.

After the seminar, Mystery, Herbal, Little Big Dick, and a friend of Herbal’s all went out to dinner.  We were eventually joined by Dreamweaver and The One, and had a great meal while unwinding from the weekend’s events.

Overall, this seminar was really, really good.  The quality of the speakers was mixed, but the good certainly outweighed the bad.  In the finished product, I’m sure the wheat will be separated from the chaff.  I can’t wait to see how the finished product ends up, and I think it will be a great resource for everyone looking to take their game to the next level.  I can’t wait to see it for myself, and look forward to doing a review of it for my site.  David D told everyone that the Masters Series would probably be out in about two months, and will go for around $400 for audio and around $500 for the DVDs.  Personally, I think it’s a fair price for the wealth of information that will be in this series.  Hell, the Mystery, Swinggcat, and RSD portions are worth the price alone.

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A Special Note

Okay, I know a lot of you are thinking “But wait, what about Tyler?  Didn’t he speak at the seminar?”  Well, my answer to that is yes.  Yes he did.

“But Thundercat, where’s Tyler’s recap?”

Well guys, Tyler’s presentation was so big, so good, so amazing, that I have literally pages and pages of notes.  As I was writing this recap out, I looked down and thought “Fuck, there’s just too much here.”  So I decided to split things up a bit.  Tomorrow, Friday, May 7th, I’ll be posting a total recap of everything that Tyler covered at the Masters Series in as much detail as I can, so check back here for some stuff that will LITERALLY blow your mind!

To Be Concluded…