May 4, 2004 by Thundercat
Filed under News
Okay, this is pretty exciting. For those of you who remember who Bishop is, the fallen angel of the SS community, he who’s name is not to be mentioned in all things SS, has resurfaced and commented on the DYD Masters Recap, Day 2 thread!
Like sand through the hour glass…
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you sure this is the real bishop?
Nope. But it looks real. I e-mailed him and am awaiting a reply. Right now just look at it as a “rumor.”
Thundercat
Hello Thundercat and thanks for mentioning me in your article. I sincerely mean this and your lair kicks ass!
With all respect I have been reading your articles and find them quite ENTHRALLING to say the least. However, I do not enjoy being flamed by those who call me a liar or a thief. My record is in good standing and i am giving back to society by working with youth organizations and those who are underpriveleged in life (Not including Ross of course-LOL). We all make mistakes in life and I will leave it at that.
However, with regard to another poster calling me a fake, the woman on my website is one of my latest seductions and we have been seeing each other for a number of months now. I can honestly say that i am at peace with myself knowing that i can still seduce with the best of them. I still occasionally go out and sarge women to keep my skillset up to par. My skills have RISEN to the forefront by combining DYD and the Cocky Funny that Ross refuses to acknowledge. I remember Eden from the good old SS days and how he struggled to get good with seducing women. However, he had a great teacher in Rick H which really propelled him to where he is now from an intellectual standpoint. It was also good to see the Major back in the mix of things. I believe that Ross treated in very poorly after it was he that introduced many of the hypnotic structures which SS is quite synonymous with. Oh, one last thing my fellow brothers-I will bet you those pictures on RJ’S website are as real as “THE WARRIOR in my BOTTLE”. Ahhh…The tradition is said to determine the fate…Of the mighty warrior who’s name may have been RJ…
You can email me direct at bishopsjournal@yahoo.com . My other email is for business purposes only.
–Bish
Hi guys,
I found this out about Bishop (Mike Emery)in my research about him. It was written by Ross Jeffries. I am willing to forgive and forget however.
He was arrested Feb 26th at the home of his former fiance, Rene. He has been
charged with two felonies: burglary and stalking. His trial is June 5; the DA
prosecuting him is Morgan Gire. 909-443-2900 Case PEM 031699.
My sources tell me that in 1995 he was charged with spousal battery and
pled to simple battery, and was given 3 years summary probation.
Additionally, he has two restraining orders out on him; one from his
ex-wife and one from his ex-fiance, at whose home he was arrested.
When arrested, the police found shards of broken glass in his jacket
pocket, which HE claims the police officer planted. Though why a cop would risk
cutting his hand and fingers on broken glass just to frame Mike is beyond me.
They also found a receipt in his pocket for gas, time-stamped 2:32 am….about
half an hour before the break in occurred. Mr. Emery will have a fine time
explaining to the jury why he was out driving his car at 2:32 am, about half an
hour before the very crime he is accused of committing actually occurred.
Innocent til proven guilty in our system of Just-us, but let’s see if he
pleads this one out or if it goes to trial, what the result will be.
Many of you have written to me to convey the latest communication from Mike
Emery, aka Bishop, regarding the ongoing situation with his failure to ship
books that you had already paid him for.
Apparently, he is now promising to deliver, by email, the copies of his book
that he took money for months ago, but never delivered by mail. He is also
apparently ATTEMPTING to position himself as worthy of your trust, both now,
and in the future.
All I can say is, sometimes people THINK balls will substitute for brains.
Look; it is up to each of you to decide your course of action. It’s
interesting, however, that his original promise, when he first solicited your
business was to mail you hard copies of the book at some point after receiving
your money.
He never fulfilled those promises.
ONLY after a fire was lit under his ass, did he finally jump up and CHANGE
the promise; he offered to email you copies of the book or send you refunds.
He still has not, and apparently is not offering to fulfill the original
promise: SEND THE HARDCOPY OF THE BOOK. Was an online download what you paid
your $50 for? He’s changing the original deal on you, retroactively. Or at
least attempting to.
This apparently is a pattern with the guy: change the promise originally made.
(As a side note, when Mr. Emery was recently arrested on non-related charges
on Feb 26, I deposited $500 into his account on his request, with his
promise(to quote: “I give you my word”) he would pay me back as soon as the
last check from Straightforward cleared. It has been two months and I still am
owed $200 from that transaction, as well as the $2500 for his bail bond, which
I foolishly and to my continuing regret, put up.)
You have to decide for yourselves if this is someone you can trust.
Personally, I know what MY answer is.
Bear in mind, also, the following email, which deserves repeating. I strongly
urge EACH of you who are owed a product by Mr. Emery to cut and paste the
following email, send it to Mr. Emery, and DEMAND that he refund this poor
guy’s money IMMEDIATELY if he expects you to even CONSIDER doing any future
business with him. Remember, this poor guy is out $1500 for a consult HE NEVER
RECEIVED. You can probably each shrug off the $50 you lost to Mr. Emery; but
please think of this brother of yours who is out $1500, plus airfare.
Bishop!!!
I dont really care what he has done in his personal life being arrested, I know his stuff has helped change me into something new, something wonderful. It’s obvious DYD stole Bishop’s cocky/funny attitude and slapped a new name on it. I have a whole bunch of posts of Bishop before Deangelo ever came out with his DYD cocky/funny and it’s obvious Bishop is the originator of this stuff, too bad he never got credit for it. If you put something NEW out Bish,I want it.
From a Bishop Post:
Jennifer said, “You need to relax, she’s not a slut.” I looked at Jennifer with a tilt to my head and said, “Oh, you didn’t know I was gay?”
BOTH of them looked at me with wide eyes! Brandi asked, “You’re gay?” I said, “Well…. no, I’m not gay. But the night’s young, you have plenty of time to make me want to be gay.” Jennifer cracked up!
An Admirer
i listened to Ross Jeffries SS and Bishop’s journal and have an opinion i would like to share with this board: 1. RJ-Speed seduction is good material but very difficult to learn and not structured at all. 2. Bishop’s stuff is much easier to learn and is very structured. Bishop’s course is also 1/4th the cost of RJ’s. My pattern skils are much better listening to the genious of Bishop. Not to diss you in any way ross but your material seems sort of outdated. I cant understand why you dropped major mark from your program. What a mistake ross…John.
In light of the harrassment i have received from Ross Jeffries and Company along with intimidation tactics i have decided to stop posting here until further notice. Also, i have taken my site down until i take care of personal issues. Again, I hope to be part of the seduction community as it hurts me deep on the inside not to be able to share my experiences with you guys. Until we meet again,
Bish
Bishop, what a classic “takeaway.” We miss you, we see you, now you leave us, yet again. You MUST stay with us now that you’re back.
An Admirer
Just kidding, I’m back and here to stay!!!
Check out my new site at
http://www.bishoparsenal.com
Thanks for all your support.
-Bish
All I can say is WHAT THE FUCK? I spoke with Yates Canipe at a non-SS related seminar back in to 2002 (For those of you who don’t know, Yates Canipe is Ross Jeffries business partner, and Yates is a pretty swell guy from the time I spent with him unlike our experience with RJ on this blog). Yates had NOTHING positive to say about Bishop. I mean NOTHING. He was telling me how he and RJ discovered that most of Bishop’s journal was a fraud – I mean completely fictitious. And how he, RJ and a bunch of other people involved in SS were suspicious about Bishop. Such that every time Bishop went on stage to demonstrate or teach, or do a testimonial, he would get nervous, he’d kind of stiffen up but some how he would fenagle through it – this happened especially when he was asked to demonstrate something such as an SS pattern. I remember sitting down at dinner with Yates conversing with him about this. For all I know, I think Yates and RJ may have helped put Bishop behind bars for that dumb shit he was doing. Let’s see if someone with enough fucking grey matter up there will continue to see this “Bishop” guy for the fraud Yates was telling me he really is. He’s the LAST person I would be happy to hear about coming back to the community from what Yates told me. In my opinion, the type of bull shit he’s pulled would instantly slot him into the UNTRUSTWORTHY for life category PERIOD!
XXX WIDE
I think that the post at the top of this thread was not from Bishop. The language is the style of a sophomore, maybe freshman, maybe even middle-schooler and Bishop has been around for more years than that. The language is totally beta — a lot of self-justification and qualification that is utterly incongruent with the Bishop we know and (?) love. I have had an email encounter with Bishop, and he is as aggressive and assertive in his language as the criminal events recounted above suggest that he is in person. He is also very self-centered and would not give a flying fuck about “Eden” as the email above suggests he does. Thundy: please check your posters’ credentials when they claim to be someone well-known. It reduces the cred of your blog when such an obvious troll gets through.
I agree with BillyBoy, that the person claiming to be Bishop is a Fraud for the same reasons as stated, as well as the stuff about taking down the site because of personal issues and Ross harassing him. If he’s paid his dues he wouldn’t be intimidated at this point in the game. The original post points to straightforward.com, then it changes to unlimitedlover.com, then it changes to bishoparsenal.com. Which is it? What a joke, whoever this person is…
Another thing, I’ve seen that picture on the website before it was taken down elsewhere on the internet and know that it is a stock photo of a model, not someone he claims to be dating. This sounds like someone who is just trying to capitalize on the past success of Bishop and steal his identity. Kind of stupid to steal the identity of someone who has such a bad reputation.
To add to my comments, I had talked with Bishop via email back in his hey day, when we didn’t know he was a liar. To reiterate what BillyBoy said, Bishop is very self-centered. I tried to sarge with him once and the only way he would allow that was to drive down to the Temecula area where he lived which was 3 hours away from where I lived and buy him an expensive Sushi Dinner. My friends hired him to go out to Arizona and coach them, and when he got out there he was very rude, didn’t do any approaches and then when they called him on it, he got pissed off and left. So my friends were out the cost of the coaching, the hotel and Bishop’s airfare. Just sharing what I know of Bishop.
Just so you all know, the poster calling himself “Andrew” also posted this message:
Just kidding, I’m back and here to stay!!!
Check out my new site at
http://www.bishoparsenal.com
Thanks for all your support.
-Bish
________________________________
Their IP Addresses all match up. I’d be curious to know why a guy lambasting this poster as Bishop would also pretend to be him?
I’m not saying the guy is the “real” Bishop. I don’t know for sure. But I’ve done some checking, and it is a REAL Possibility. It also seems MINE’99 thinks it’s real, because I’ve heard that he’s threatened legal action against the poster claiming to be Bishop.
Will it turn out to be a hoax? Maybe. Best file it under “rumor” for now, like I said.
Thundercat
I have no idea if the person posting here really is “Bishop”, aka Mike Emery, or not.
If it is “Bishop” he is, once again, showing himself to be incapable of keeping a promise or a trust and here is why:
When Mr. Emery was arrested, he called ME to bail him out of jail. I put up $2500, which he pledged to repay.
I believed his protestations of innocence until I received and read the police report and immediately saw the gaping holes in the story he told me.
Subsequently, he was convicted, as I warned him he would be.
After serving his time, he contacted me and we made an agreement: I agreed to forgive the entire $2500 debt if he would:
1. Refund all money from any students who did not receive his book(he had sold books without filling orders and lied to me about it)
2. Refund $1500 to a student who paid him for a consult for which Mr. Emery never even showed up(he lied to me about this one as well)
3. Refrain from any and all future contact with me and my students.
If it IS Bishop, he’s in the process of violating promise #3, by addressing me in this forum and attempting to worm his way back into the community. In which case I WILL turn around and pursue him in small claims court for the $2500.
Finally, whomever is running Bishop’s Arsenal is violating my trademark by using the term “Speed Seduction” in their Google Ads; so cease and desist or face statutory $25,000 damages for each occurence.
If Emery IS reading this; you may have served your time. But that hardly establishes you as a person worthy of the slightest bit of trust. I for one trust you as far as I can toss you, which I WISH could be about 250,000,000 miles.
RJ
93/93
I’m still waiting for the refund I asked Bishop about his book I never got.
I want to see Bishop back, I bet he will blow all this PUA and SS stuff out of the water. COME BACK NOW BISHOP and confront THIS head-on!
An Admirer
“When arrested, the police found shards of broken glass in his jacket pocket, which HE claims the police officer planted. Though why a cop would risk cutting his hand and fingers on broken glass just to frame Mike is beyond me.”
*********************
The LAPD is notorious for planting evidence, gross abuse of power, and for unnecessary roughness which has been caught on tape NUMEROUS times. This man deserves a chance to be in the seduction community. Bishop did further many ideals which many of us currently stand upon. Welcome him back with open arms.
Didn’t we all forgive Magic Johnson for contracting AIDS and cheating on his wife with thousands of women and even giving her the virus. We all deserve a second chance.
Hey people,
Kind of painful to see these kinds of discussions. My origins lay in NLP, Speed Seduction was a natural extension on that. Hence my first learning came from Ross, and consequently Bishop.
This was 2 years ago, I now am an almost full-grown PUA with a warm heart for all people that helped me get to this spot.
Also I turned ‘pro’ in another ‘hobby’ than seduction. Almost all friends and fellow enjoyers, except two, in that hobby turned ugly in that process. When money comes into play, people change.
Money changes people.
I’m still fighting a war over rights and honesty behind the scenes with two of these former friends.
Thing is: the audience does not give a fuck about whether and how you fight with competitors. They visit me (and you) for the thing they find special about you or the thing you do for them. Do that with honesty and dedication, and the people you are there for will appreciate.
War continues, people that visit you and your competitors will judge.
You develop your business well, they’ll talk about and support you.
Action speaks louder than words.
Volant
So Volant, do you agree or not to allow Bishop back into the community or what.
Does your PUA status combine all the methods like I do?
Geez, Ross is pretty dramatic for a guy claiming to be a PUA. What the hell man? Ur acting like a woman. Bishop’s techs are solid, whether his stories are true are not. I’ve tried out a bunch of his techniques, and they’ve mostly worked out. Stop bein a wussy
Jason X, still somewhat of a RAFC
This is the FIRST re-appearance by me in some years. Why here? Well, it began from a student who told me about some people selling my “banned” products without my permission. (The truth is, I never placed a copywrite on my “banned” products, so I can’t complain as it was my oversight) Anywhoot, I was researching through “GOOGLE” where my “banned” stuff was being sold, and seeing if they were marketing it well (most are not, sadly for them)Then I saw this site, and read some of the posts, and felt it was time to resurface for the “fans” in here who have benefited from my “banned” products. I am sure people have many questions, and I will make the time to answer them (provided you don’t ask me anything about SS or Ross Jeffries) To clear ONE thing up, I pulled my products from Speed Seduction in March of 2001 (which anyone who attended the April 2001 seminar is Chicago knows, since I was a guest at that seminar, and both Yates and Ross informed people to talk to me about buying my products, which were being sold on my own site *at the time* called “UnlimitedLover.com”) due to questionable royalties vs actual sales that I learned of (actual sales were higher than what I was being paid for)I’m not here to flick dirt at Yates nor Ross, just clearing up what happened and why my products were pulled from Speed Seduction.
As for me ripping people off during my “Unlimited Lover” book promotion, that’s insane. I stood to make a shitload of money, so why would I rip epople off with my first solo product AND do so for only $50 a pop? Makes no sense. The truth is, I made the mistake of offering FREE shipping, in order to honor that promise I had to send it “book rate” (also called “media mail”) which ended up not arriving to many people. But some people DID get their copy of my book (If there is a long time Speed Seduction student in here, you will find in your SS List archives at least three posts that I recall of students commented on their experiences from having read and used “Unlimited Lover.” Anyone who contacted me about not getting their book (and who was not some crackpot CLAIMING to have bought the book and not getting it) was given the opinion to get an e-mailed version (to eliminate the risk of another mail issue) along with a bonus book for being patient, or else their refund. So that ends THAT issue.
As for my arrest, and the restraining orders, and everything else Ross chose to reveal to you all, they are all true, I admit it without excuse. But why Ross chose to reveal soemthing that had NOTHING to do with SS nor the book fiasco, I can only assume was an attack born from his pain.
Now for the present! As good as most people felt my “Bishop” products were, NONE of it compares to what I have been working on for the last 4 years! I don’t want to turn this into an ad campaign, so check out http://www.new-alpha.com, and see what I am unleashing upon the world. You’ll know it’s really ME, because I have FREE audio files on the web site which you can clearly hear is MY voice.
Oh, and as for this rumor of me being on a DYD product, it’s not me. While “Bishop’s Journal” clearly proves that I introduced the concept of what DYD has renamed “cocky/funny” I have listened to that portion of DYD from a friend, and can say with full honesty that David Deangelo has actually improved on what I created, so he deserves credit for making it his own. So don’t take anything away from him, as he, myself, Ross, and every other seduction master, has on some level taken things we’ve learned from other people and improved on them. (For those who are slow, I’m saying that DYD only borrowed my concept, but it has made it different and updated enough to be an original DYD technique, so he has earned credit for what he shares as “cocky/funny”)
And while “Bishop” is no more, I am still arrogant enough to state right here and now that come April my new seduction downloadable book and 6 hours of audio files will BLOW EVERY OTHER SEDUCTION PRODUCT OUT OF EVEN BEING COMPETITION!
Gotta go 4 now, but feel free to e-mail me at catchall@new-alpha.com
That’s My Opinion But You’re Welcome To It (By the way, I’ve had that trademarked now)
Michael “Bishop” Emery
P.s. Just to put it to rest, despite everything, Ross Jeffries does deserve credit for helping me go from just Michael into Bishop. The student has now far surpassed the teacher by lightyears, but his teaching was, and shall always be, valued.
Oh, as for these posts about “Bishop’s Journal” being all fake seductions, and how I would “stiffen up” when asked to demonstrate some of my stuff in an SS seminar, I have to laugh…hard! No doubt there are guys who can’t find the balls to actually TRY my techniques, so they call my seductions a fraud so they can step back from accepting the real blame.
And as for this post:(Posted by: Andrew | May 4, 2004 11:15 PM) this guy claims that I made him drive 3 hours away to come to Temecula and buy me an “expensive sushi dinner,” he’s got his facts WAY wrong. First, I remember this guy, and HE OFFERED to come to Temecula, I never made him come down. (In fact, I recall telling him I was protective of an outsider coming into MY town using SS techniques, but would only do it if he promised to only observe and not actually use any techniques) Second, at the time I was last living in the Temecula/Murrieta area (2000-2001) THERE WERE NO SUSHI RESTAURANTS IN TEMECULA NOR MURRIETA! Third, his claim that I screwed over his friend who hired me for a consult in Arizona, is a lie. I only did ONE consult in Arizona, which was for 2 guys who went in on the fee together. These guys saw me using my seduction techniques MANY times, and even stated in an SS post how satisfied they were with the consult. So this is yet another example of a guy who wants to jump on the bandwagon and get attention at the expense of my already fractured reputation.
And the guy claiming to be Ross who wrote:
“After serving his time, he contacted me and we made an agreement: I agreed to forgive the entire $2500 debt if he would:
1. Refund all money from any students who did not receive his book(he had sold books without filling orders and lied to me about it)
2. Refund $1500 to a student who paid him for a consult for which Mr. Emery never even showed up(he lied to me about this one as well)
3. Refrain from any and all future contact with me and my students.
My reply:
1) I kept EVERY SINGLE ENVELOPE from those who had bought my book. Of those people who claimed to have never gotten their book, only 47 our of 62 of these people had actually paid for the book. Those 47 were either refunded, or accepted an e-mailed version w/bonus for thier patience.
So THAT was honored.
2)The guy did not arrive at the location we agreed upon. I offered to reschedule, but he lives in mexico so he declined. I made MULTIPLE attempts to get ahold of this guy, but his first phone number was disconnected, and when I got the current phone number from Ross, a woman answered who does not speak English apparantly. I e-mailed Ross to inform him of this, and requested the guy’s mailing adress or to have the guy contact me with his mailing address. To date I have recived NO REPLY, despite three times bringing it Ross’ attention. So if Ross is reading this: “Unless the guy lets me know where to send the money, I have exhausted all possible ways to honor this promise.” (And in case some asshole thinks he can pretend to be this guy and trick me into sending you the money, I have his name on my computer, I’m not an idiot!)
So THAT is still pending.
3. Refrain from future contact with Ross and not contacting his students is within his right to ask. But if his students contact me, that’s THEIR right, so Ross has no say in the matter, nor any right to prevent a student from wanting my time, attention, and products.
So I have truly stopped contacting Ross, and have only REPLIED to contact that his students have made on their own.
Oh, and finally, on this list I am being called things like “self-centered” and “untrustworthy.”
YES, I am self-centered. But why is this such a shock to people? I’ve been self-centered from the very beginning, made no apologies for it, and people still accepted me and flocked to spend time with me. But then suddenly it was runored that I was ripping people off, and now me being self-centered is suddenly a bad thing??? Lick my ass!
As for “untrustworthy” all I can say is trust me, or don’t, my life continues either way. All I will say in the form of a defense, is that there is not so much as ONE moment during my days as “Bishop” when I ever failed to honor my word to any of the SS students. If you doubt that, you doubt it no matter what I say anyway, so feel how you wish to feel.
But you have to at least question why it is that my credibility was only called into question long AFTER the whole “Unlimited Lover” book fiasco took place. That book fiasco took place at the end February, but it wasn’t until the middle of April (a few weeks after I had pulled my products from the SS catalog) that I was suddenly attacked by Ross and the students. These are facts ANY of you can verify without having to take MY word for it at all!
Okay, now I’m bored, so I’m outta here.
That’s My Opinion But You’re Welcome To It®
M
Mr Emery, I have one comment and one comment only:
http://www.websitesthatsuck.com
Toodles,
RJ, Taz, Tabby J.
http://www.seduction.com/resources.asp
P.S. From looking at the language I would say, yes, this really is the ex-fiance stalking, Bubba luvin, Michael Emery, hisself.
Thundy, you’ve got BREAKING NEWS here. This deserves a new post on the blog for others to comment on.
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