The Real David DeAngelo
February 20, 2004 by Thundercat
Filed under Field Report
So I’m reposting this from the latest Cliff’s List, just because it’s not every day we see a post from David D outside of his newsletters. I found this post to be quite interesting, because he seems to be revealing a bit more of his personal life/experiences than we’re used to seeing from him. It’s also a damn good Field Report with some quite humorous moments, especially if you imagine David D talking in his typical monotone ultra-serious voice. (Think “Al Gore” in “party” mode) =)
David DeAngelo writes:
Tyler, I just read that Outing Report you sent in… What a damn FREAKSHOW you’re becoming.Tyler, I want to be you when I grow up. Of all the guys I’ve known and met, you might be the most intense when it comes to learning, innovating, and implementing. The depth of your understanding, and the subtle levels of your communication are amazing. I learn something every time I talk to you or read your stories.
OK, so you inspired me to share a quick story from tonight.
I just got back from going out with Rick H. (good buddy of mine that
many of you may have heard of). We went to a trendy bar in Hollywood, CA. We were just there to have a drink and kick back with friends…I walked into the men’s room, and there’s a girl pulling her pants down to use the toilet. There are two other guys in the men’s room as well. This particular bathroom has one toilet, one urinal, no stalls, etc.
In other words, she’s right out in the open.
So I walk over to wait for the urinal, and I turn my back to the girl (without even looking at her) as I say “Here, I’ll block for you”. As I’m standing there, one of the guys says “Her name is ‘D.’…” I say
“Hey ‘D.” whatup” (ignoring her, monotone statement… not a question). I didn’t turn around, or answer her as she said “hi” back to me.She finishes as I walk over to the urinal to do my thing. I walk over to the sink as she’s pulling her pants up. I turn on the water, and point to the sink. She looks at it, and walks out the door. I wash my hands… and walk out the door. She’s outside the men’s room, so I strike up a conversation by busting her balls for not washing her hands after using the bathroom.
Now, I should mention, this girl is six feet tall, super-model face and body, small tattoo on the back of her neck. I’m talking SMOKING hot. If you live in New York, L.A., or Vegas and you go out to exclusive places often, you might have seen a girl this hot within the last few MONTHS. If you don’t live in one of these places, you probably haven’t seen a girl this hot in YEARS. In other words, she was hot. OK, whatever.
By the way, I’ve already seen this girl a couple of times earlier in the evening, and guys are lining up to kiss her ass, horn in on her, and generally seek approval like pussies all night.
So where was I? Oh yea… I’m busting her balls about not washing her hands…
She just stops and stares directly into my eyes with a serious look on her face. She can’t exactly believe what she’s hearing… so she’s challenging me with a combination of no verbal response plus direct serious eye contact.
Of course, I look right back at her without flinching.
We make small talk for a minute. Hair, clothes, drinks. I then take out a breath mint, and offer her one. I did it in such a way that she couldn’t tell if I was being nice or if I was hinting that she had bad breath. She declined, saying that it wouldn’t go with her martini.
Another minute or two of small talk. The L.A. Scene, the bachelorette party that’s there, whatever. More ball busting. By now she’s grabbing my coat, pulling herself towards me… looking directly into my eyes intensely… I’m looking her in the eyes… and leaning back, not responding to her physical touching.
I take out the breath mints AGAIN. This time I actually take one and go to place it in HER mouth. She opens her mouth, but in SHOCK. She takes the mint with her hand, and puts it in her own mouth.
She says “I can’t believe you called me on my bad breath!”
I said “I didn’t call you on it, I just gave you a breath mint… much classier.”
She said “Oh my God! I had Mexican food for dinner… blah blah blah (explanations and excuses for her breath).”
Then she said again “I can’t believe you called me on my bad breath… I LOVE YOU!”.
At this point she’s putting her arm around me and pulling me toward her… putting her cheek up against mine, etc. I’m leaning back, not taking the bait. I put my hand up slowly into the back of her hair and pulled gently/firmly She did the “deep inhale” of pleasure. I take her shoulders (bare), turn her around physically, and give her a gentle bite on the neck.
Nice.
I say “I’m going to go find my friends”… and turn to walk away.
Normally I would have kissed her, gotten her info at that moment (minimum), etc. but this particular girl was so hot and so damn SHARP that I wanted to let the tension build a little more. Well, I didn’t have to wait long. As soon as I turned around to walk away, she literally grabbed me by the back of my hair, and pulled me back to her She put her arms around me and pulled me into her. I gave her a squeeze (sister style)… but didn’t take advantage of the moment to kiss her. Again, tension, tension, tension.
OK, short story short… I find out she’s there with some guy friend who’s taking her home… and I’m getting ready to leave with my friends… she’s begging me to write to her… and I’m off with her info.
The moral?
Sexual Tension or “Chemistry” can be sparked, amplified, and dialed up so high that it’s almost unreal within just a few minutes… sometimes even less. And it can happen with the hottest of the hot girls… as long as you’re open to it, and you know what to do in order to create it.
A key to this equation is total PRESENCE and total COMPOSURE. You must mentally become the gay-marriage child of Obi-Wan and James Bond. Remember how COMPOSED those dudes were at all times? Add an understanding of Sexual Tension, and a few ball-busting comments, and you’ve got all the makin’s for a party. That’s the way.
Just a thought…
There you have it folks! David D is the KING of picking up unhygenic chicks with bad breath! I suggest you start studying Double Your Dating Immediately!!! lol.
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lol. You are so right. I’ve been playing this play-it-cool game for a very long time. It never fails.
if any one has a copy of David deangelo’s double your dating Ebook please contact me as soon as possible thanks!
yeah, i have david d.’s book.
what are you looking for?
if you want something funnier, i’ve got the 6 2hr video dyd seminar.
” You must mentally become the gay-marriage child of Obi-Wan and James Bond. ”
That is TOO fu********* funny. LOL!!!
btw, I am LOVING the Mastery DVDs. I watch a bit each day before going out. SHOCKING RESULTS!! lol….
” You must mentally become the gay-marriage child of Obi-Wan and James Bond. ”
That is TOO fu********* funny. LOL!!!
btw, I am LOVING the Mastery DVDs. I watch a bit each day before going out. SHOCKING RESULTS!! lol….
Senorlukas,
What do you mean by SHOKING RESULTS ?
I ‘m relly interested by the mastery program and want to purchase it so tell me more.
Thanks man .
Dont buy it … customer service at DYD is HORRIBLE!
They will do nothing for you!!1
they just want your money
Yeah, the ebook IS funny.
I think the Advanced series is great too.
Buy those. And buy the books mentionend, too.
IF you are interested in psychological concepts behind changing yourself to what he suggests in book and advanced series, download the mastery program somewhere.
Sorry, but for its content that has more to do with change and new age psychology than picking up women it is too expensive.
Forget the cocky comedy series, the only REAL great part of this is the sean stephenson guest speaker part that amazingly shows how powerful you can become.
Just my 2 cents
PS: picking up this chick must have been some fun, but i think he should have banged her after giving her a toothbrush and some soap being the obi jam bondobi he talks about.
He is a great guy and teacher for me though.
I have downloaded a lot of his stuff. I feel guilty but the current economics have made our currency so like $1 (pesos) equals $3 US dollars. So a $100 dd kit can cost $300 wich is way too much.
BUT I can say it WORKS. Like a charm. And IВґm talking IN ARGENTINA, I mean, translated all to spanish. It works so well that itВґs almost freaky.
Try it those of you who can legally buy it.
DYD gets an A from me, and the advanced series (video) an A+. The mastery series wasn’t nearly as good, probably because it was edited so much. Most of the interviews were worthless. Mystery was good though. DD’s Interviews With Dating Guru’s contains a lot of excellent material. Cocky Comedy wasn’t quite as bad as everyone was saying, in my opinion. I’ve used a lot of what I learned on there with great results. I agree with those who said Sean stole the show–he was awesome!
Double Your Dating has ruined the personality of my one of my best guy friends. This “guru’s” advice is so lame. As a woman, I will tell you that most of it is bullshit. It teaches guys to play silly games. Clearly there is a reason why this guy has doubled his dating, but clearly there is even a bigger reason why all he has is “dates” and phone numbers and not lasting relationships, etc. BOO to David and his double your dating bs.
typical comment from a bitter insecure woman who would probably prefer wussbag guys who she can walk all over. what Dave teaches isnt ‘games’, its understanding the REAL female communication, and that even some women dont really know or realize. stuck to chumps, AG.. I bet your best guy friend grew some balls with Dave’s help and you’re pissed cuz you cant use him as an emotional sponge anymore. well GOOD FOR HIM!
Rock on Dave. -Z
I concur Z. Women like her prefer the safe comfort level of a wuss-bag guy so she won’t be challenged and more importantly use her common sense. Utilizing Dave’s techniques may not work very effectively with insecure women. When comfronted, these women see their inner weaknesses and turmoils. It’s not the guy’s fault.
If you can’t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
That’s a bit harsh in fact, I can sort of understand what JB has against a program as DYD. At first glance DYD might seem to be all about techniques and stuff to pick up women. Looking deeper into the material though it is easy to see that there is a lot more going on at a psychological level which has to do with self confidence, control and making the woman feel better which will lead to happier relationships.
I would suggest JB to watch some of the material (especially the advanced dvd program is very interesting and funny) and then return here to make another comment.
Notice how “JB” said “Guy Friend”. At one point in time she had an emotional tampon she could cry her heart out on. Now instead of being happy that he’s finally becomming a real man, she’s pissed off. Maybe that’s because she’s now attracted to him and he wants to have nothing to do with her?
How sarcastic you have been.
David d’Angelo’s material may be good but what the customer needs is criteria in order to not believe everything of what he says, but just the logical stuff.
I went to David D’s Cocky Comedy program. I wasn’t impressed at all. It was a seminar at all. He told everyone to hold their questions till later while he just stood there and READ a bunch of stuff for nine hours. HE READ IT! There was barely any improv. The information wasn’t amazing either. The guest speakers were pretty good. I don’t believe that SEan Stephenson gets laid at all. That’s ridiculous. The guy said his collar bone breaks whenever he sneezes…so how is he supposed to get head without his wanker falling off? Duh. I’m sure he’s good at talking to chicks but only because his condition allows him to catch people off guard.
Anyway, it seemed like the “seminar” was just an excuse to film more dvds. The money we paid was probably to pay for all the camera work and editing.
The testimonials were a bunch of crap too. He offered us a FREE version of the finished product if we gave a positive video testimonial. Only an idiot would have said no to that.
So, yeah, I’m curious about this David fellah. Is his stuff creditable? I mean, if you sign up for something, is he gonna screw YOU for your money? Should I even buy anything at all?
Kemistrust,
No, all you have to do is ask for your money back on the third day if you’re not happy.
You probably won’t though because these types of seminars tend to be big ‘pep rallies’ and you’re caught up in the moment. Then a few weeks/months later you realize you still suck with women and put up posts like Typical Tim full of half truths. The only way you’re going to get good with women is going out and practising for a number of months. The only thing the seminars are going to help with is getting the right mindsets for starting out.
I was sleeping and I woke up for a minute last night and it hit me. These David DeAngelo FRs seem very amateurish to me. Wheres the part where they get into a heavy makeout session and she asks him something like, “Do you wanna be with me?” (Gilrspeak for wanting to have sex)
I would like to see a David DeAngelo Lay Report. I wanna Hear about the “…girl thats so hot you’ve never seen anything like her before…” that he took home and did the nasty with, just once. No $$, no supplication, cocky-funny all the way to the bedroom.
I really wonder if this BG chick has a point or not by saying, “…Clearly there is a reason why this guy has doubled his dating, but clearly there is even a bigger reason why all he has is “dates” and phone numbers and not lasting relationships, etc…”
Im not at all saying that this stuff doesn’t work, what Im saying is I have never in all his seminars or things I’ve heard EVER heard him talk about the real live experience he had where he banged a chick.
Ive heard alot of, “… I gave her a squeeze (sister style)… but didn’t take advantage of the moment to kiss her. Again, tension, tension, tension…” and some story in the mastery series where he flubbs it up with a champaigne sipping girl (call girl?) but no results, and by the way, wat him not taking advantage of kissing this chick really tension-building or was it failure to capitalise for fear of rejection? He never Kissed her.
Hey man defend him or attack me all you want, but I still would like to seriously see a Lay Report and thats really all Im interested in. Links to such material might be nice.
All I know is that this guy is NOT bedding Bi-Sexual women, let alone getting laid.
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I still don’t understand the purpose of a lay report? Do you guys really concern yourselves with the ass-getting track record of some guy you don’t even know?
Is it for credibility? I mean, even a mediocre man can pull chicks and post a report for KJ’s to read about it.
I would say, spend your time creating an awesome lifestyle for yourself and stop vicariously living someone else’s.
“…Is it for credibility? I mean, even a mediocre man can pull chicks and post a report for KJ’s to read about it…”
Thats pretty much it. Credibility.
The rest of your post seems pretty passive aggressive since it’s assumption about people You don’t even know.
If Im interested in being part of a group of people who are good at, for instance, football; Im not sure I wanna get my information from someone who claims he’s good at it to get attention or whatever since that could send me in the wrong direction. Listening to someone try to either in one case up-play what they do, or in other cases downplay what other people do in a passive aggressive manner to make others assume the person is an authority with knowledge of a particular subject is Not a good way to learn successfully. When I first looked into this community I was thinking to myself, “Wow, cool! A bunch of guys who are into flirting with and seducing women like me! What a great place to enhance my skills!”
Now I’m starting to see a trend of a bunch of Marketer’s and Con-Men (not all of them of course) who are trying to make a buck from the hopelessly lonely. NOT COOL!
Im sure some of this stuff is good info, but it’s important to weed out people who are giving bad advice to fit into some personal agenda. This is true in EVERY Field and not just seduction. I could care less about someone elses sex life, but Credibility? Hell yea, especially if I want to spend my VALUBLE time reading or listening to someones material.
Thats what my point was and im sorry if you misunderstood.
David Deangelo, the online marketer. He also sells ebooks on firing your wedding planner and gardening. Put you love life in his hands if you dare.
What up guys? All this talk about the so called “pickup gurus” who are marketers without credability makes me wonder. I don’t know about you guys, but I do happen to think that David D. has helped in my mediocre success with woman. Although I must sadly say I haven’t really gotten a girlfriend out of all this yet, but my confidence and skills in communicating myself to others has taken a steroid shot from what I was before.
Credability is an important issue though. I’ll give David D. some credit though by saying that this guy has helped me surpass my wimpy ways to someone who has no outcome in a conversation with women and can approach groups of woman. I can honestly say that he does lack advice in certain aspects of approaching groups of women, but he gives a foundation to which he helps someone with trouble approaching woman so as to become competent and go from there. That’s what he is there for.
I don’t want to sound like I’m all over David’s nuts, but he has said in his programs that he is not only about getting laid. I think he’s a genuine guy with nothing else going for him, but trying to help others make a better life for themselves while making a couple of bucks.
I think it is up to us to choose whether we want to become great in attracting women and finding that one girl or becoming a great “Pickup Artists” who beds lots of women. The choice is ours to choose from. Let us not forget that this is an experience we all have to go through and that there is no quick fix! This skill does take time and practice.
By the way Geese, who do you find creditable? I am curious as to who you think has top of the line skills and don’t forget to tell us why.
Being a guy who started out with DYD for a few years (I still listen to “Mastery” religiously), I feel obligated to give David credit where it’s due. And, a lot of it, at that! I’ll say it again, he got my entire lifestyle on the right track; directly because of DYD, I have had far more fulfilling relationships of all colors, been far more successful in my career and have created a rich spiritual life all because of the wisdom, inspiration and resources I found through David and DYD.
Sure, I’ve used bits and pieces of other systems – the energy and humor of RSD, the overall structure of Mystery Method has been incredibly valuable to me, the storytelling and vivid language of Ross Jeffries/SS and the direct, charming, laidback approach of Juggler (who is just awesome!).
There are parts of all these systems that work great for some and others that don’t. Let’s recognize them not for being perfect but, rather, for helping men get a solid grip on their lifestyle and create their very own personal destiny. Anyone who can help guys along this path should be respected and, in my book, has a ton of credibility – these guys need to be marketing this stuff.
DG
See my point is simply (not so simply) this: There are too many of these guys jumping on the Marketing bandwagon. You know whats funny is after listening to Ross Jeffries and also David DeAngelo and reading Mystery (top 3?) I have come to the conclusion that many of them use the same Ideas or “borrow” their ideas from someone else and then in some cases try to seem like they came up with the concept and/or distance themselves from the source they borrowed it from (i.e. changing the name or saying something like, I “dabbled” in hypnosis for a short time but NOW I do things differently – something that David DeAngelo said though Im not gonna go back and search for the EXACT quotes)
If you really want to know who I think is the Mack Daddy of all this seduction stuff I’ll simply say this – No One. None of them and all of them. Bruce Fucking Lee. In other words I think It’s easy for Mystery (for example and Im not picking on him) to read a book by Nick Casenova and then “invent” neghits (page 24 under Banter and then pretty much the rest of this book is all about so called NegHits and Cocky-Funny) and as proof of his wiles swear that he nailed 52 (or 54? from his archives) chicks before finding mASF using this scale as some personal way to verify to himself and thus others that he is what he claimed:
0-10 This book is worth it’s weight in gold to you.
11-20 You can obviously use our help.
21-30 This book will help perfect your style.
31-50 Many chapters will have a familiar ring to you.
50+ Your help is needed for our second edition.
So at a random number slightly above 50 but not too far and not exactly on anyone who reads the book would have to assume that M. is Great at this stuff. If anyone attacks his credibility he becomes all passive aggressive and uses child psychology to put that person on the defensive and turn their arguments around. OK easy enough. For whatever void he wanted to fill in his life he wanted others AND himself to believe that he was a Pick-Up Artist. Great so he did it and in this same book (The Machiavellian’s Guide to Womanizing) it has a short but powerful statement about -Believeing in Your own Bullshit – which honestly is what I think he did. Whats my point so far? Im not sure. Im getting to it, but I wonder if he saw RJ making $$ off this stuff and dreamed a little dream of this himself. A little pinch of convincing and conniving and a dash of essence and BAM an $1800 a head seminar. But maybe not; perhaps he had other reasons.
Then there’s RJ and his Hypno a chick into submission, great shit and if you haven’t noticed your politicians use all sorts of this shit while campaigning (i.e. talking about careing for and nurturing while holding the arms as if cradling a child) this shit works but is not a new concept, but thank you to Ross for gearing it a little more for seduction but it’s NOT NEW. One thing I’ll give RJ is that he credits his sources and I can’t say the same for all of these cats (if someone trys to group me into some Ross minion or follower or whatever, I will throw up. Keep that lame crap for the kiddies, im just stating my honest opinions.)
Then David DeAngelo and his cocky-Funny approach. Let me tell you this, it’s still in a fricken 10$ book that I just mentioned and a AFC buddy of mine who was getting NO Play wanted to know what I was doing so I told him then showed him on a chick who we both knew and talked to him about what I was doing right in front of her. It took all of the time we were at our local bar and no money from him to me. He got it and his sex-life has improved.
All of this stuff, though, can work but I think it’s dangerous to think one guys stuff is better than someone elses because thats a limiting belief. Also I think it’s a good Idea to question Everything you study since following along blindly is foolhardy. Question it by trying it and don’t buy into that horse shit about trying it 30 times until it works. Theres too much of this stuff to try and I can promise you that little bits of one thing will work easier (fit your personality better) than others.
Oh and AS for being a great PUA or a Guy who can find the right girl I think you can be Both. Perhaps you find a wonderful girl and you don’t want to cheat on her then cool, but you can still have girls attracted to you or honestly not just Girls, but people in general.
OK to summarise I guess Im saying Im really Curious about which of these guys are for real and which are in it for the money and which are both. Im also very skeptical of all these “New Kids on the Block” (pun intended) popping up left and right saying the same thing as others but putting their own spin on it and then charging $$ for it.
“Learn to love yourself! We dress a certain way. We walk a certain way. We talk a certain way. We create a certain way. We paint a certain way. We make love a certain way. You know; all of these things we do in a different, unique, specific way that is personally ours. And WE decide when it s time for us to take over our own lives and do it the way we know we wanna do it as opposed to someone else continually depersonalising us and tell us how we’re supposed to do something because they’re viewing it through their eyes; not through our eyes.”
Really I think even furter than my credibility issue I guess Im simply a Curious Cat, but since I have nine lives Im not worried about my curiousity. I do harbor a strong belief about teachers teaching from real live experience and not just on theory alone.
Im gonna stop, because I can go on and on and on all day but I hope this gives you some sense of what I was on about.
Hey at least we all get thinking exercises from all this if nothing else.
Hey has anyone tryed Cialis ;op
“Then there’s RJ and his Hypno a chick into submission, great shit and if you haven’t noticed your politicians use all sorts of this shit while campaigning (i.e. talking about careing for and nurturing while holding the arms as if cradling a child) this shit works but is not a new concept, but thank you to Ross for gearing it a little more for seduction but it’s NOT NEW. One thing I’ll give RJ is that he credits his sources and I can’t say the same for all of these cats (if someone trys to group me into some Ross minion or follower or whatever, I will throw up. Keep that lame crap for the kiddies, im just stating my honest opinions.)”
Thanks Geese. Yes, I DO credit my sources and do my best to incorporate those who know how to play on a team, into my team.
I have even gone on record saying I have learned SOME applicable things from Mystery(but don’t agree with many of his premises or beliefs).
Mystery, to his honor and credit, has said, in his workshops, that he has learned from me and equally, he has expressed his disgareement about some of my ideas.
That’s honest, genuine, honorable, ok with me.
It’s those people(former students) who directly take what I teach, modify it slightly, and then give zero credit to me as the source that put a bit of a bug in m panties. But so be it, that is life.
Finally, with regard to your question about Cialis, etc. etc: stay away from these drugs. They can have serious repercussions. If you are having potency problems, I highly recommend a daily exercise/yoga/breath routine, and the supplements created by my friend, Dr. Dave W at;
http://www.drdavesbest.com
I strongly recommend the Re-generizer, Instant Einstein and Instant Endurance(plus his Cardio Boost) about 1/2 hour before “frisky activity” or indeed any athletic endeavor, even if it’s just all night dancing with the “kids”. Remember, I’m 46 and routinely, my girls are 15 years younger.
Also, cut down on the white sugar, flour, starchy food and high fat foods. These things fuck up your body’s energy and metabolism.
Finally, a good 15 minute exercise routine, without the gym or weights can be found here:
http://www.mattfurey.com
Check out his Combat Conditioning. When I started, I couldn’t do even a single Hindu push up; now I am up to 15. I couldn’t do more than 3 squats, now I can do 3-4 sets of 18. The bridging requires I use an exercise ball, but I am getting much stronger there too.
Good luck.
Oh, how nice. We get the “nice” and “friendly” Ross. Today you’re not having PMS Ross. That’s great for us. But you did, as predicted, get in a reference to your friend Mystery. Yes, we all know, since you post some sort of reference to your friendship to Style and/or Mystery that you are well liked by those two guys. Yes Ross, we’re glad that you can make reference to those two individuals as a way to build some credibility for yourself. I, for one, love to see you kneeling before Mystery trying to suck his cock. It’s great to see such a pathetic attempt at gaining acceptance from guys who read this site.
And yes, we’re so glad to know that you cite sources for people you rip off too. What a good guy you are.
And yes, it’s good when you take your meds and act like a nice little boy.
Oh yea, glad to see you making medical recommendations now. Since when are you an doc or capable of recommending whether or not people take Viagra or any other medication? Was this part of your psychic certification when you attended Harry Potter’s school?
Are you happy now, Ross, I mean Paul? You are getting the proper respect that you think you deserve? Is that enough honor and credit for you?
I want to give a shout out to “The Distinguishing Gentlemen” and “Geese Howard”.
I can tell that both of you have lots of experience being out in the field and I believe everyone can learn a little something from them.
As a matter a fact I have been looking for these so called “naturals”, but I can’t seem to spot them very well. I was hoping maybe “DG” and “GH” could give me some pointers because I’m kind of stuck in a rut and I’m really trying to get myself out of it.
Maybe if it’s alright with you guys you could hook a brother up with an e-mail so I could ask you guys for those pointers I was talking about. I don’t want you guys to feel obligated or anything, but my e-mail is massive_rage925@yahoo.com so that way you don’t expose your address to everyone. I would appreciate it you guys.
I just want to write and say that David D. is an important factor in the “Pickup” community. I know I have said this, but it’s true because when he uttered “Attraction isn’t a choice” it made everything clear for me. As obvious as this may be for some it wasn’t for me before I started out with all of this. A good living example would have to be my sister and her crappy boyfriend whom she has 2 kids with. The guy is a major screw up and doesn’t know the meaning of being a man, yet my sister is strangly drawn to this idiot.
David D. put things in perspective and helped men realize that it isn’t about getting the girl, but being the confident man who is in control of his emotional self and every other situation he may be. That’s what David D. is about. He is about being who you really want to be deep down inside wherever you may be without being dependant towards other people’s reactions to the person that is within you. That’s what everyone in the community is trying to say with this whole thing about “being outcome independant”. This is what David D. teaches so that the player within us all can finally come out and stop hiding behind all that wussyness that as Steve Celeste likes to call our “inner turmoils”. It’s time to stop acting like women and start acting like the man within us all.
Ross has posted some new videos on his website.
For the stuff that REALLY works, check out
http://www.seduction.com/resources.asp
This for the update Ross, I mean Tony. You have to be the biggest whore on the net to think people fall for that shit Ross.
WOWWW!
I swear some of you guys are pathetic.
I mean bitch and bitch and bitch about RJ bitching his bitch; but I swear every time he even so much as Posts a little bit of anything it’s like you guys line up to be the first one to get your jab in.
At least he’s here posting with the rest of us and not pretending he’s “too good” to be here or whatever like some of these Gurus.
See in my family and circle of friends we bitch at each other and are even really mean about it, but what we don’t do is Grudge each other. I don’t even let girls run that shit on me. If there’s a problem get it out and even get it out LOUD but then let it go and quit wasting your fucking energy on it. If this is how you guys are then it just goes to show why you’re having trouble seducing girls; because your so fucking uptight that it’s Blocking you from reaching your goal.
Im not defending Ross either, As for you RJ, David stold your shit and made his own school. Ok.
Now go get a few $5-10 Kung-Fu movies; the crappy dubbed in ones. Watch and learn how Masters teach some of these guys their “Secret” style and then after Years of teaching them the student goes off and gets all Renegade and starts beating people up, OR starts his own school of evil bastards who terrorize innocents OR becomes an evil Warlord or Ruler who engages in plots against the Ching or Ming or The Buddhist Temple. (no really Im serious dammit!!
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Here’s what you do. Find another student to teach your secret style to and he’ll most likely go and fight your renegade student and Lose the first time. Here’s the beautie part, though. After he loses his first fight he’ll either find some old drunk guy who no-one knows who back in the day used to be a seduction guru until he was defeated by Rich H or something Or he’ll come back to you and you’ll relent and decide to teach him the “Cripple-Pattern” or the “Play the Flute Beneath the Sky Pattern” or the Ever Dangerous “Two Snakes Rising From the Grave Demo” that you NEVER teach ANYONE under ANY circumstances and he’ll go beat the SHIT out of the Renegade student. (I LOVE Run-on sentences!!)
So I guess my point is that…
Hmm I forgot. Oh well.
Yo Geese,
Do you even read Ross’ postings? Why people line up to attack him is that generally he posts on here to attack others. He attacks Thundercat frequently, and the guy owns this website. Ross comes on here to generally attack other gurus and to promote his shitty products. So, there is good reason to attack the guy.
There are good reasons why Ross is not welcome on other boards and at things like the Clifflist seminar.
“they never let poor Paul-Ross join in any gu-ru games…”
(my english isn’t very good but i don’t really give a shit.)
all i wanna say is that no matter what bad things you say or think about David, the “shit” he sells WORK (on most women of all ages anyway). and you have so many success stories and my personal positive experience as proof that he’s stuff REALLY WORKS VERY WELL.
all of you who complain and bitch you’re a minority. so it doesn’t really matter what you say. as long as he’s stuff works for me i don’t care about anything you think or say.
btw. about David’s story: i think the girl was drunk.. but you still got to give the guy credit.
(who the hell is “wompwommmp”)
I WROTE THAT MSG! this is BS
S.P…
Please read the following, it will be very beneficial to you. DYD techniques are VERY good at getting a newbie attention and interest from a girl. So much so in fact that you get this very good feeling that you’re moving forward. You can go 2-3 years without having fucked a girl but still say “but it works! It fucking works.”
When you “DYD” a girl you get all this giggling and her touching you and what not… But for some reason you never get anywhere. And you think it must be your execution.
You know what? When I met some great PUAs they did everything opposite of what DYD says… I mean EVERYTHING…
And when I come back home to my enviroment I did EVERYTHING opposite of what DYD teaches… And get this… I met a girl who knew my DYD self and told me “wow… you’re so cool now… what happened to you? Let me introduce you to my girlfriends” and then we talked about me changing and she said
“You were this arrogant stupid loser who always reppeled us. We were just being nice to you”
And that is a fact… when you “never give compliments, don’t smile, BUST HER balls, do backturns, never show interest”… she’s just being nice to you seeing that you’re trying so hard… But then she walks off and tells her girlfriends “what a loser”.
THE POINT: Make sure “it’s working” means it really working. Sometimes in life we may think we’re moving forward when the truth is we’re running in place. You could either understand this now, today… Or after 3 years of getting nowhere… at a point which you’ll try to tell other guys what I’m trying to communicate to you.
Then i guess if i say i get laid using DYD stuff im a liar.
Well i guess Alek is always right so i must be wrong.
Kon, there is no need to insult Alek, or are you practicing some new kind of AMOG?
You can get laid with “I don’t want to talk, I want to fuck, NOW… Let’s go!” if you do it enough but it is not so consistent…
If you get laid while running DYD techniques… you get laid DESPITE them, not because of them. She determined she wanted to fuck you before you opened your mouth. Same applies to indirect game.
The only common denominator here is persistence. If a girl likes you on sight… she’s gonna fuck you no matter how stupid the crap you spout out is IF you’re persisstent you’ll eventually fuck her DESPITE you having insulted her and acted all weird around her.
ITS THAT SIMPLE!
..this can’t be possible
…you did it wrong, or you were obliviuos of the reactions you got and too focused on being cocky and you thought you were funny. Someone said “Funny gets you the laughs, playful gets you the lay”, you might have..
..and besides, you’ll be a flat 2 dimensional character if you stick to being Cocky and Funny all the time, it simply is not normal.
….i agree up to the word “DESPITE”, plainly and directly insulting a girl is stupid. It should be playful with a dash of insult (insult which makes it playful), not Insult with a dash of playfulness..
hey guys, im a dedicated reader of DYD’s newsletters and just wanted to see what else was there on the internet about DD and came upon here. First off, somehow i got to this Joeseph Matthews 7 part seduction course (i havent paid for anything yet). Whats your opinion on this guy? Secondly i always thought that DD was pretty good and quite a few of you have dissed him which have left me with doubt to his name. Can you guys recommend someone who’s material works without a doubt? Thanks
“She determined she wanted to fuck you before you opened your mouth. Same applies to indirect game.”
Ok that settles it. Alek knows what he’s talking about.
haha
Then why the fuck does this community exist!!!!!!!!!!
Pharaoh, I never used C&F only the general attitude traits. And my quote was a projection of my current beliefs. The exact wording was “you were previosly this arrogant prick who thought no girl was good enough for him”
DYD says:
-1 Never tell a women you’re smitten with her early on or let it slip indirectly
-2 Guys smile too much, [promoting a marlon brando smirk, and rarely smiling]
-3 Don’t approach a girl head-on, or LEAN into her physically
-YOU CAN NOT BORE a woman into liking you. DO not speak about everyday boring subjects like every other guy out there. [you need to use ofcourse ways of being different such as C&F, humour, trivia etc...]
The PUAs I met:
approach girls 3)walking a straight line right into the girl head on and (at approach)leaning into them. 1) telling them how beatifull they found them to be. 2) They not only smile with an ear to ear GRIN, but do so thru the ENTIRE interaction 4) Their entire conversation consists of nothing but light convo, or small talk on boring everyday subjects.
The distinction that is to be made here is that:
Natural/Direct game starts from the assumption that you are the greatest thing that can happen to a woman. Summarized as:
Inner game: I am a prince
Outer game: Active acceptance
You’re going out there and looking for the girl to accept. When you smile, you smile with the smile of acceptance, when you compliment you do it to show her that she’s good enough for you.
*DYD/Indirect* game starts from the assumption that you are of a lesser value than the girl. The entire game can be summarized as:
Inner game – “I am a troll”
Outer game – Active rejection
Actively rejecting the girl in an attempt to trick her into believing you are of a higher value than her is an interesting concept BECAUSE IT does work. Every one of the girls I thought in the past were rejecting me, I now find out they were actually feeling rejected by me. SO YES DYD game works. It absolutely works in amping up your value in the girls eyes. And if you’re perssistent, you’ll eventually fuck her because your perssistence will be the sign of interest to her.
Why not just show interest from the moment you open your mouth eh?
ok w/ DYD I think its good cause it teaches you how to act (like stay composed, look her in the eye until she looks away, etc.) and how to bust her balls/tease using CF. Those two together i think is what creates attraction. Dont you guy think? Just say yes or no and why, i dont want some scientific theory or reasoning thing, just yes/no and why so. thnx
YES!!!!! DYD creates attraction thru the attitudes and techniques it teaches. Infact its the best system for creating immense attraction. Girls will want to fuck your brains out as far as attraction goes.
I got my first kiss running DYD game on a girl on some party. I pretended disinterest as she left the party and 10 minutes later… she came running back, jumped in my lap and shouted “no way will a guy reject me, I can not be rejected” as she started making out with me. I kept running game on her the next 2 weeks we went out and then finally she left me telling her girlfriend that “I didn’t show any interest in her, it takes two to tango you know”
With DYD GAME
1) You jump thru immense hoops to build up the attraction and then
2) either the girl jumps you (1 in 100) or you show interest by being perssistent (getting number, asking for dates etc etc…)
There is an alternative called naturalized game where you
1) assume the attraction
2) you show interest from the moment you open your mouth
3) she seduces you
No-one has EVER made a switch from naturalized game to DYD game. NO ONE EVER… But everyone these days is doing the opposite. Guess why?