The Real David DeAngelo
February 20, 2004 by Thundercat
Filed under Field Report
So I’m reposting this from the latest Cliff’s List, just because it’s not every day we see a post from David D outside of his newsletters. I found this post to be quite interesting, because he seems to be revealing a bit more of his personal life/experiences than we’re used to seeing from him. It’s also a damn good Field Report with some quite humorous moments, especially if you imagine David D talking in his typical monotone ultra-serious voice. (Think “Al Gore” in “party” mode) =)
David DeAngelo writes:
Tyler, I just read that Outing Report you sent in… What a damn FREAKSHOW you’re becoming.Tyler, I want to be you when I grow up. Of all the guys I’ve known and met, you might be the most intense when it comes to learning, innovating, and implementing. The depth of your understanding, and the subtle levels of your communication are amazing. I learn something every time I talk to you or read your stories.
OK, so you inspired me to share a quick story from tonight.
I just got back from going out with Rick H. (good buddy of mine that
many of you may have heard of). We went to a trendy bar in Hollywood, CA. We were just there to have a drink and kick back with friends…I walked into the men’s room, and there’s a girl pulling her pants down to use the toilet. There are two other guys in the men’s room as well. This particular bathroom has one toilet, one urinal, no stalls, etc.
In other words, she’s right out in the open.
So I walk over to wait for the urinal, and I turn my back to the girl (without even looking at her) as I say “Here, I’ll block for you”. As I’m standing there, one of the guys says “Her name is ‘D.’…” I say
“Hey ‘D.” whatup” (ignoring her, monotone statement… not a question). I didn’t turn around, or answer her as she said “hi” back to me.She finishes as I walk over to the urinal to do my thing. I walk over to the sink as she’s pulling her pants up. I turn on the water, and point to the sink. She looks at it, and walks out the door. I wash my hands… and walk out the door. She’s outside the men’s room, so I strike up a conversation by busting her balls for not washing her hands after using the bathroom.
Now, I should mention, this girl is six feet tall, super-model face and body, small tattoo on the back of her neck. I’m talking SMOKING hot. If you live in New York, L.A., or Vegas and you go out to exclusive places often, you might have seen a girl this hot within the last few MONTHS. If you don’t live in one of these places, you probably haven’t seen a girl this hot in YEARS. In other words, she was hot. OK, whatever.
By the way, I’ve already seen this girl a couple of times earlier in the evening, and guys are lining up to kiss her ass, horn in on her, and generally seek approval like pussies all night.
So where was I? Oh yea… I’m busting her balls about not washing her hands…
She just stops and stares directly into my eyes with a serious look on her face. She can’t exactly believe what she’s hearing… so she’s challenging me with a combination of no verbal response plus direct serious eye contact.
Of course, I look right back at her without flinching.
We make small talk for a minute. Hair, clothes, drinks. I then take out a breath mint, and offer her one. I did it in such a way that she couldn’t tell if I was being nice or if I was hinting that she had bad breath. She declined, saying that it wouldn’t go with her martini.
Another minute or two of small talk. The L.A. Scene, the bachelorette party that’s there, whatever. More ball busting. By now she’s grabbing my coat, pulling herself towards me… looking directly into my eyes intensely… I’m looking her in the eyes… and leaning back, not responding to her physical touching.
I take out the breath mints AGAIN. This time I actually take one and go to place it in HER mouth. She opens her mouth, but in SHOCK. She takes the mint with her hand, and puts it in her own mouth.
She says “I can’t believe you called me on my bad breath!”
I said “I didn’t call you on it, I just gave you a breath mint… much classier.”
She said “Oh my God! I had Mexican food for dinner… blah blah blah (explanations and excuses for her breath).”
Then she said again “I can’t believe you called me on my bad breath… I LOVE YOU!”.
At this point she’s putting her arm around me and pulling me toward her… putting her cheek up against mine, etc. I’m leaning back, not taking the bait. I put my hand up slowly into the back of her hair and pulled gently/firmly She did the “deep inhale” of pleasure. I take her shoulders (bare), turn her around physically, and give her a gentle bite on the neck.
Nice.
I say “I’m going to go find my friends”… and turn to walk away.
Normally I would have kissed her, gotten her info at that moment (minimum), etc. but this particular girl was so hot and so damn SHARP that I wanted to let the tension build a little more. Well, I didn’t have to wait long. As soon as I turned around to walk away, she literally grabbed me by the back of my hair, and pulled me back to her She put her arms around me and pulled me into her. I gave her a squeeze (sister style)… but didn’t take advantage of the moment to kiss her. Again, tension, tension, tension.
OK, short story short… I find out she’s there with some guy friend who’s taking her home… and I’m getting ready to leave with my friends… she’s begging me to write to her… and I’m off with her info.
The moral?
Sexual Tension or “Chemistry” can be sparked, amplified, and dialed up so high that it’s almost unreal within just a few minutes… sometimes even less. And it can happen with the hottest of the hot girls… as long as you’re open to it, and you know what to do in order to create it.
A key to this equation is total PRESENCE and total COMPOSURE. You must mentally become the gay-marriage child of Obi-Wan and James Bond. Remember how COMPOSED those dudes were at all times? Add an understanding of Sexual Tension, and a few ball-busting comments, and you’ve got all the makin’s for a party. That’s the way.
Just a thought…
There you have it folks! David D is the KING of picking up unhygenic chicks with bad breath! I suggest you start studying Double Your Dating Immediately!!! lol.
Charlesmed on 
Davdidkep on 
how to be an audiobook narrator on 
Ayybworma on 
SShaneNet on 
“approach girls 3)walking a straight line right into the girl head on and (at approach)leaning into them. 1) telling them how beatifull they found them to be. 2) They not only smile with an ear to ear GRIN, but do so thru the ENTIRE interaction 4) Their entire conversation consists of nothing but light convo, or small talk on boring everyday subjects.”
You’re talking about Shark here right? If so, what else can you tell us about how he uses his body language/voice when talking to girls? (for those of us who cant travel to Croatia)
is alek the guy who has taken a fidentia workshop??
ok……. hes psycho
haha he “ran game” on ger for 2 weeks and then blamed DYD for not getting laid.
Yes all of us from Mystery to TD to Wilder has this problem. We all all SO STUPID like Alek that we think the way to do it is to attract her until she finally rapes us. Of course we have to fight back and then fail and then secretly be pleased after we have been raped.
Don’t mean to bash this guy, but damn he is stupid. But congratulations for taking a workshop. im sure they at least taught you to escalate.
DAMN, i do think its true that DYD has problems, as well as every other teacher really. I always hear all sorts of funny stories about how total weirdos screw up things like being funny. For some of u, its just painful to watch. But how is it possible to teach total idiots how to be attarctive in a small book or in a few days.
U are right, go direct. People like Alek will at least seem less retarded that way. Its the congruence of whether you are able to pull something off. A playful funny style might work for so many of us, but when u have seen some of these guys u just want them to turn it off.
hmm ok considering kuality’s and Alek’s post. First off, kuality: do you suggest doing what alek is suggeting? which is to do this naturalized game?
Alek: What is this naturalized game? Where can i find someone who can explain really well?
oh sorry bout the double post but btw. Alek: If you say that DYD is “the best to create attraction” then why are you suggesting the naturalized game is better? I mean, ive tried DYD and its gotten me results, girls def respond in a better way when i do DYD game, even tho i havent carried it very far…yet.
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Quote Alek:
“I got my first kiss running DYD game on a girl on some party. I pretended disinterest as she left the party and 10 minutes later… she came running back, jumped in my lap and shouted “no way will a guy reject me, I can not be rejected” as she started making out with me.”
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You “pretended disinterest” in other words you were not being genuine, but hey she was still attracted, and this amplified it.
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Quote Alek:
I kept running game on her the next 2 weeks we went out and then finally she left me telling her girlfriend that “I didn’t show any interest in her, it takes two to tango you know”
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Note the “kept running game” so at no point did you stop and just “let go” to get to know her as a person. No wonder you latched onto the “direct” …. “i like you” style.
Her saying “it takes two to tango” show’s you know/knew nothing of game. So you blame the material for your own lacking?
Wonder why you won’t blame fidentia for your current lacking… hmm?
Perhaps with your new perspective you should try “dyd game” (as you put it) again.
Your thoughts on DYD are quite off the mark and also quite negative almost as if DYD is the opposite to your beloved shark’s teaching therefore it must be “wrong”. So I’m thinking they’re not even your own thoughts but the thoughts you’ve been TOLD (by shark most likely) and you’ve accepted them like a good little sheep.
Mind you not all the DYD material is perfect or good but nothing is and from what I’ve seen of shark he’s not doing anything special or unique. So there is no perfection.
Oh and Alek.. if you think shark is direct you should look into DAVID X. shark is like a weak version of stolen David X notes/material/theory mixed with ego driven emotional garbage, money making attitude, and some marketing tactics.
Dalek
Dude I’m the guy who mentions david X the most. You will see I am the only person who mentions david X here on a regular basis.
My ultimate goal is to become a person of relentless honesty. To have the outer and inner game of David x. If one can be congruent with DYD etc… that’s ok. But I feel most congruent with a relentless honesty approach.
Yes I did train with Ranko, but I don’t completely find it suiting to me. I prefer real 100% directness as David X…
How does this naturalized game work?
hey what does david deangelo mean EXACTLY, when he says “Busting her balls?”
hey what does david deangelo mean EXACTLY, when he says “Busting her balls?”
basically it means that hes givin her a hard time, meaning hes teasin. For example:
Say you two are in class, and she gets out this really nice neat set of notes. You might comment “Nerd Alert!”, then tease her about being a nerd. In a class it especially easy because if she gets a better score than you then you can call her a nerd, and if you get a higher score then you can call her a slacker.
whats naturalized game?
can i have some more examples of “busting a girls balls” and can you guys please make clear as well
Reading some of these comments, I really wonder how many of you guys have real success with women, and how many of you are just talking out of your ass.
DD spends most of his time (70%+) talking about “inner game,” and how if you have that handled it doesn’t matter what pickup lines/ techniques you use. Please tell me what part of that ISN’T true? Find me one real PUA who doesn’t have his act REALLY together and is just getting by on “techniques” and “routines.”
Yet all I see is post after post of this B.S. about the “DYD technique,” or some other “tehnique” that isn’t working, as if it’s all about a pickup line/ technique. Have you even read his ebook? Are you guys just skipping over everything that doesn’t have to do with an approach technique?
So you focus on lines, routines and taechniques, and then you wonder why the “technique” isn’t working?? Are they not covering reading comprehension in school anymore? I know I’m sounding harsh, but some of you guys need a good slap over the forehead, and you’re way off-base. These idiots are going to screw it up for the guys who are truly willing to learn.
From personal experience, and talking with guys who are really good at this, all the lines/ techniques/ frames are 100% B.S. They’re worse than worthless, because they’re FAKE. You think girls don’t know what’s going on when you “run game” on them? Have you ever stopped to think about why some guys use every “technique” in the book and go home to Rosie Palm every night while other guys who think a routine is what you do to get ready in the morning are getting laid like rock stars??
The only guys who are really good at attracting women are guys who have it going on inside. If you’ve got it together inside, even a lame hypnotic “technique” will work because the girl is into YOU, and doesn’t care about your crappy technique.
You want to die a virgin? Keep working on your pickup lines and techniques, and then tell us how the stuff doesn’t work. Just keep projecting that negative viewpoint and you’ll be a candidate for the Darwin Awards.
DD’s products are good at helping guys work on that “inner game.” The people talking about “the DD technique” don’t know what the fuck they’re talking about, because there IS no “DD technique,” unless you consider BEING A MAN a “technique,” in which case you’ve got some issues.
The “technique” isn’t the problem – it’s YOU.
*End of rant*
Most of you are very funny to read
DYD works. I knew it when I finished listening the audio book. I did not have to go out and try it. I just take a review of all my relationships in past and present (short or long). What and how was the start and end of them. All that DD says mach.
When I was a wussy I had women not because I knew how to “play the game right”. It was a fuck based on “money interest”, lifestyle or body attraction.
Yes, “if a girl likes you on sight… she’s gonna fuck you” ! probably !probably……ONCE. That does not mean you know how to approach women, be a dating guru or that you are successful with women.
I observed something when I had relationship with a woman, I was more successful in creating other relationships. Why? I didn’t know 100% why. Until I listen DYD, Mastery, Interviews…. Because my interest for the second woman was just 50% or less. I had the firs woman so if the second fall for me its ok, if not its ok too. The second woman felt my interest (less than 50%). The chances of getting her are growing if I show less interest combined with “busting her balls”.
I will give more examples another time…….
DD opened a new world for me. Read the book, listen the material 10 times before make a comment.
PS. Bad English, I know
(europe man)
I really enjoy these chats!
We men seem to talk endlessly about the opposite sex… Isn’t what this ALL boils down to?
I’ve spent most of my juvenile years obsessing over how to get women, wether directly (reading stuff), or indirectly (honing my intellect, emotions etc…).
This writer who perished today would claim we do everything to be reproductively succesful, (guess who). Wether it’s true or not, I enjoy the path on a “conscious” level.
Has any of you ever experienced what you’d consider a miracle? My life is packed with unbelievable facts, unbelievable because they contradict what mostly everybody taught me.
I’m not the player of the century, but I love life, I’ll be ok when I go. I try these techniques because they harmonize with my reality: I actually get along (and down) with girls from all walks of life, the goth, the model, the preppie (those are the three modern archetypes aren’t they?
)… Don’t get me wrong, the human condition is harsh and loathable, however, miracles occur. You don’t need anything external -IN PARTICULAR- to get a girl, it’s all internal. think outside the bun.
If that goes against your bussiness advertisement or your dad’s or your friends, don’t worry, this kind of thing is usually laughed at.
-there IS no “DD technique,” unless you consider BEING A MAN a “technique,” in which case you’ve got some issues.-
WHO praytell has no issues, WHO?
Yes, the main issue is the allegory of Pinochio: the human condition consists of becoming a real boy… (what’s that?! you say they also banned Pinochio at schools?! f***ng govt!)
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People have been preaching since the egyptians on how to develop fully through your own efforts since mother nature will NOT do all the work for you. Yes, some do get lucky and stumble candidly upon it.
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Do your homework I say: Do your homework. DD is one amongst kazillions trying to rephrase an ancient message only he did it preaching through ATRACTION, but to qoute him on the beginning of his chat, THIS is the X on the map, the most valuable pearl, the starting point:
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“A key to this equation is total PRESENCE.
AHA!!! not just a key but the FIRST KEY.”
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“the human condition consists of becoming a real boy…DD is one amongst kazillions trying to rephrase -this- ancient message”
I believe you, Jimini. Unfortunately, there are ‘kazillions’ preaching the opposite and pulling the wrong strings so that we DONT become real men. For instance you might be acquainted with what DD quotes as being the ‘Pussification’ or ‘Wuzzyfication’ of America. And why not the world? There’s always two sides to the force.
I wouldn’t just say: Do you homework, I’d say, ‘you better cram like there’s no tomorrow!.
Does anyone know where I can download the book the URL is asking me for a CC and I dont wanto to use my cc in the net so can anybody tell me where I can down load the book for free thanks
dyd does work?.
whats more important is having the right attititudes and beliefs to make your reality.tell your self you can have any chick you want…say in your mind to your self that all women love you.use positive affirmations…and you will start to believe this.
no amount of pick up lines will work unless you have a cool confident slow speech,deep tonality.etc.body language is everything its 93%.
u can pick up women and it doesent matter what you say.but just dont let her control you.
ive been cocky and funny before but my fast paced talking and other interest issues came across as trying to hard.
but when used correctly it is magic ive witnessed with my own two eyes.but u must take it to the physical or else she will lose interest if you leave it too long.
when you are cool calm collected and not needy infront of a women they react a whole lot more…bodylanguage says it all.
you must have the inner game handled no matter what. and have a i dont give a fuck badboy attitude of what this girl thinks of me….its alot easier when your born a smart ass..its always been natural for me.
you have to be a real man…dont put up with poor behaviour from any one and most importantly respect yourself..dyd has taught me how to become a real man…not just how to pick up chicks.
when dealing with women you have to look past the surface of what they are saying.
women dont say what they mean…or mean what they say.their all tests on some level.
women have been annoyed,upset and i have even started verbally fighting with women and are a whole lot more attracted to me.because i did the right things.
sexual tension is the key..just dont be abusive…poke fun and tease it will seperate you from every other guy shes came across.go watch the movie mr and mrs smith with bradd pitt and angelina joli…great example of sexual tension and how attraction is triggered.its all about the challenge.
go read dirt the confessions of the motley crew…as nikki sixx puts it”the funny thing about women is the more u do wrong the more they like you”.
I find that PUA inherently have issues. Why else would you want to go on a sex rampage for years of your life? Can’t get laid, get insecure, get machonistic, get PUA material, get laid and feel this inner glow for finally getting back at the bitches for all their evil doing.
David teaches you to improve yourself, it’s not about getting laid or doubling your dating. It’s about helpin you mature as a man and becoming responsible for who you are. Aaaand then getting laid in the process.
I can’t stand Mystery’s stuff in general because it’s a bunch of tricks and rules (as far as I know), some of which are quite good, but it isn’t about who you are and how that equates in the relation of lonelyness.
Ever wondered what the naturals are like AS PEOPLE? You find them to be very confident and stable people. Some are jackasses but they are loosers anyway, they started floating off into the clouds somewhere during their teens.
If you want to get laid, don’t go with David, it takes a while! If you feel that you havn’t explored yourself and who you are to the fullest potential and you feel restricted and shutdown, GO WITH DAVID! He teaches you to pick up from the inside, it’s not a party trick. It’s who you are!
I couldn’t stand reading all you cry babies and ego-maniacs slander and knock each other’s views so I skipped a lot of the posts, but i can state from personal experience, that DYD was helpful to someone like me who was shy and unconfident. Some of you guys make a good point about finding your “inner game” and I have learned this only through the newsletters that got sent to my e-mail account after doing some tickle.com test.
DYD techniques have really helped me and I never even read the book! I probably never will. It has really helped me have more fun around girls and is helping me get laid. The obvious point is that girls are attracted to confidence and fun. If you’re confident enough to tease a girl, she’ll like it. It also shows that you’re fun. If the girl can’t take it, you probably shouldn’t waste your time with her anyway.
That PUA crap does not work where I come from, unless the girl’s is super-desperate. Throwing yourself at a girl does not make it exciting for her. I won’t really knock it ’cause i don’t know anything about it, but from what I caught on this post, is that you gotta be phony and forward…how boring is that?
I am generally already a laid back guy, but never had the balls to call on a girl for wearing an ugly shirt or tell her that she had stinky arm pits. After I lost the inhibitions to do those kind of things and stay true to what I was feeling, getting girls became a lot easier. Now I get lots of attention from girls who already have fire-fighter calendar-model boy-friends, beautiful B-movie amateur actresses and porno-star skateboard-hoes, the kind of girls who think they got all their shit together and don’t need another man.
The last girl I got was with complete cocky-and-funny, and a bit of asshole thrown in. She even called me on it and I threw it back at her saying “I didn’t ask for your opinion.” She looked a little hurt,( i think she was faking it)I left the party without saying good-bye, and the next day she went back to the house to give my buddy her phone number to pass along to me!
Don’t tell people DYD doesn’t work…it just doesn’t work for YOU.
DYD works, take a look >>>>>>>>
Background : naturally funny 25yo guy, plagued by LJBF through college, only pulling when drunk, gets hot Asian GF, but loses her after 18 months due to wussiness.
After three months giving off ‘desperation’ signals all around the clubs, hits the net, finds TokyoPUA’s field reports and subscribes to all available free newsletters.
After 4 weeks of reading DYD newsletters, had added Cocky to funny, and had laid four girls (every thing referred to here is on the first night).
Realised that the world was not as it had seemed.
Bought the original DYD ebook, but only printed out and read ONE chapter at first – Cocky and Funny.
Also began to enjoy beginning the evening by leaving my male friends at the bar while I went chatting/teasing large tables full of girls, some of whom I would already have known, safe now in the knowledge that I could say anything and get away with it, so long as they saw that I didn’t give a shit what they thought, I was just having my own fun.
In that second month, I laid ten girls, almost doubling my entire total previous to then. I’d say they were mostly HB6-8 but for a guy coming from the wilderness of AFCland, even a HB6 is not a bad place to start.
And I had only gone out 9 times – one girl was ‘delivered’ to me by her friend who had begun sleeping over whenever I stayed in.
The one HB9, who I met towards the end of the month after finally scanning the rest of the ebook, had exactly the kind of look I like – a smoking hot brunnette, wearing skin tight PVC pants. She was a lesbian – not a bisexual – and as I was so attracted to her I decided to create attraction in her. (She was the only one who I made an effort to attract the rest had come to me, or just been passing by.)
For me this HB9 was the pinnacle of my early days, as I was consciously using some part of DYD (tests etc) at every step. The most amazing thing was that the first moment I saw her I knew she would be going home with me that night, there was not a doubt in my mind.
Even when my friends told me she didn’t go for guys, this did not change a thing in my mind. To this day, I have not had that feeling of certainty again, but I know that it exists – should anyone doubt what they read in newsletters or on the boards.
Previously the sight of such a hottie would have had me shitting myself with what to say, and I never would have approached.
Where did all this new found success occur ?
Well almost all came from my regular bar, where I’d been acting like a regulat AFC for the previous few months, having a few beers before heading of to clubs !!!
I wasn’t running game, so to speak, no canned openers, patterns, routines, just being laid back, relaxed, having fun, and throwing in some C&F and seeing what happened.
Since then…
That frantic first few months settled down a bit when I decided I wasn’t going to just take every lay that presented itself.
A while later, I bumped into my ex-GF, threw on some badass bar room body language and it wasn’t long before she blurted out “You’ve changed, you’re a totally different guy….. you can have me (now) if you want me.”
Having got all of those things out of my system, I’m no longer continually thinking about wheter I get laid or not – I go out with my guy friends, and if it happens it happens. If I see a girl I like, I know what to do to get her interested in me, but I’m not exactly going hunting for it either. Either way I have fun, and I’m know I’m fun to be around.
In the last year, I became a bit obsessed with finding everything I could on related topics, rather than just continuing to use what I had already learned. In all honesty I spent too time on internet looking for new ways and means (without taking the time to implementing any of them) instead of having faith in the abilities I had already gained.
Also, if anything, I may have been using C&F too much the last while. I now feel that C&F give guys excellent training wheels to allow them to project confidence and move from AFC to rAFC or above. But when this newfound success begins to breed genuine confidence, the C&F should perhaps be used more sparingly, or else it seems overdone.
BULLSHIT!!!
skeptics…..
in case my mail sounded too much like an advert for DYD for some people, (hey, yeahright, keep playing with that keyboard), i may was well, mention a few traps i fell into while using it.
as someone mentioned above, CF can make you feel like you’re being successful, until suddenly you realise that you havent gotten laid for a month or so, but because you’ve been getting giggles and teasing slaps on the arm the whole time, everything seems to be going well.
also, the DYD kiss test – if a woman is comfortable with you striking her hair, she
s ready to be kissed – while intially an eye opener, cannot really be applied as easily as the one that Style mentions – if you’re wondering if you should kiss her, then the time is right.
this has always been a sticking point with me, so much so that i would usually have the girl in my room before making out. i know DD encourages ‘delay, delay’ but i simply didn’t have the courage, even during the period mentioned above, to try to kiss any earlier.
having recently heard Style’s kiss test – if you’re at the point where youre wondering if you should kiss her or nor, the time is right – i know that i can make a move much earlier than i would have thought before. However, knowing this, i now CHOOSE to wait and get her back before making out, as from experience theres more reward if she arrives to your place still unsure of whats in store.
The difference – DYD : i wonder if i should kiss her yet, how do i get in a position to stroke her hair here in the bar ? i’ll just try and get her back to my place and wait till we’re cuddling, after i’ve spent more time talking to her………
Style : I’m wondering, so she must be wondering too. She’s mine, lets go……
Sarangayo
ps another f-close since the last post, with a girl i’ve known a few months but never tried anyhting with. ‘armed’ with the Style kiss test, we left the bar together muuuch sooner than we would have otherwise, as soon as i started to wonder…..
Well I guess I should just go out and start kissing any hot girl I see since Im always wondering if I should kiss them or not!
=0D
My view on DYD
David D explains that women respond VERY powerfully to certain traits of the “REAL MAN”. Which include (but aren’t limited to) :
- Overall lack of insecurity/neediness
- Detached from the outcome
- Holds and carries himself in a naturally confident way (body language)
- Doesn’t let women use their sexual power to gain ANYTHING from him
- Doesn’t let outside events emotionally destabilize him
- Lives in HIS reality
- Judges people based on CHARACTER and PERSONALITY; not on looks or outward physical appearance
- Etc..
There are certain ways to communicate these traits. THEY CANNOT BE COMMUNICATED EXPLICTLY. Walking up to a woman and saying “I’m a confident, in-control, intelligent, FUNNY guy” [ironically] SAYS ALL THE WRONG THINGS ABOUT YOU
In the words of many other PUAs, you must SUB-COMMUNICATE THEM. So David D explains how through banter/teasing/”busting her balls” you SUB-COMMUNICATE particular masculine traits that WOMEN ARE UNIVERSALLY ATTRACTED TO.
DD also explains how to be very sucessful with womnen, you must break away from old negative programming, and have a positive self-image and self-confidence.
Many people have a problem with “ACTING A CERTAIN WAY TO ATTRACT WOMEN” and that DD teaches guys to MANIPULATE them. But the truth is YOU’RE GIVING THE WOMAN WANT SHE REALLY WANTS SUB-CONCIOUSLY, DEEP INSIDE. You communicate with her in a very powerful way, that men seldom understand.
That ‘ideagasms’ bullshit is the biggest joke I’ve ever seen.
“Unconditional love (- minus) Putting up with head games = Happy and fulfilled.”
They basically take DD’s materials – put some wierd/obscure/vague spiritual twist on it, and the sell it for more cash. Hell, even Stephanes mailbags are in the same format.
Ive noticed that there are obviously a lot of guys out there teaching various things about attracting women, and that there is a lot of crossover when it comes to what they teach.
The thing is, who cares if some ideas are shared (and explained in different terms) by different people, and who cares if one person was influenced by another? It doesnt matter.
There are just some things that work so well that they will be discovered by many people eventually.
Also, theres nothing wrong if someone wants to make a living from teaching this kind of thing, as long as they know what theyre talking about, and they explain it well.
Some people emphasise one thing, while others will emphasise another, but its all good, because if a teacher is particularly passionate about one aspect of attracting women, its a good opportunity to take advantage of what they have to say about it.
David Deangelo emphasises cocky and funny, but its not as if hes doing it at the expense of other characteristics.
Also, many guys complain about something not working, but surely thats because they havent applied it well, or theyre overdoing it, or theyre just discouraged by a few bad responses or their friends comments.
Im still applying Davids stuff and every time i get a bad result i just laugh because ive managed to fliter out another girl that doesnt get it.
Remember, we need to test girls and filter out the unworthy ones, just as they test and filter us out. If a girl responds badly to cocky/funny, i just pull my socks up and move on. I never blame myself.
I know it feels right and very natural, you just have to go through that phase of uncertainty until youre numb to it, then you can relax and carry on with it, and concentrate on finding fun girls without bad attitudes.
David Deangelos teachings are brilliant and perfectly natural and the only women who wont respond well to them are either wusses themselves or just too bitchy to allow themselves to be treated like a woman by a real man.
So stop talking badly about his stuff and get with it. If you really cant see why cockiness communicates attractiveness (PLUS funny, always the two together) then youre not in a position to criticize, because you just dont understand.
His steachings are very simple and they work. I have friends who are noticing changes in my behaviour and they disapprove. Luckily for me, im too strong to become blinded by their crap.
David isnt telling anyone to be cocky. Hes telling us to be cocky and funny, and to balance the two.
Making fun of a girl (to show her that youre not intimidated, as well as to assume rapport, just like you would with your friends) while making her laugh about it (assuming she can, otherwise forget her) is extremely charming. Many girls love it, and many dont, because theyve also been brainwashed. Go for those that will.
And please, stop criticizing David, and just get on with learning from him and others.
David D’s shit is amazing everytime I need to pickup I listen to his interviews with dating guru’s and the cocky comedy seems to work everytime. I live on the Gold Coast in Australia have traveled around the world and you see some of the hottest chicks on the planet here. Without a doubt David D’s shit makes a difference I didnt’ pay for it i downloaded it so everytime I pickup I feel a milli second of guilt but its soon forgotten.
Doesn’t Starbucks sell Gold Coast? Wow and to think that all this time I thought it was just a Spiffy name for a coffee.
I was starting to wonder why every time I drank Gold Coast coffee I would start thinking about Russell Crow listening to pirated versions of David DeAngelo MP3s.
David Deangelo is a genius. That’s the plain and simple truth. By reading and watching his stuff I have gained the ability to attract any women I want and it has helped me in every other part of my life. He is so far ahead of his time, there is nothing else out there that is any way near as good as David Deangelo’s teachings. Double your dating is king… Nuff said.
If you read the structure of
Cocky Comedy is “Romantic Comedy”,
and sarcasm is not Romantic Comedy, it
is Romance.
Cocky Comedy is about maintaining
the tension till the end, contrary
to the Screwball Comedy (“you cannot
handle it” stuff etc).
You have to keep the CHARACTER till
the end, otherwise you FAIL!
Her testing is about trying to make
you break the character.
Be the STATIC character, who maintains
his behaviour.
Nobody else than me is going to give you this education, read it carefully!!!
Also, read some “Hysteria” stuff
in fastseduction.com:
“Cocky and funny versus Neg hits.”
I have studied Romantic Comedy in detail.
Cocky Comedy is romantic comedy…
“Cocky comedy” of DYD has a few bugs on it.
1) The heroine in romantic comedy has to
be adorable etc. DYD says that “give
her a hard time, comebacks etc”.
She has to be adorable. Is she is
helpless, the comedy is going to be
UNCOMFORTABLE. I have experienced some
stuff myself.
Guys, Tyler is right! You have to figure
some things out yourself as well.
Study: romantic comedy (Annie Grace-BEST!),
comedy, drama, etc.
click on http://www.anniegrace.com
and find the truth!!!!!!!!!!
Send your opinions on:
downlodios@yahoo.com
(my email)
RComedy again:
Sorry, I meant:
http://www.annegracie.com/index.htm
The link above is wrong.
I have personally had great improvements in my dating since I read and listen to DD’s products. I am now in control of my life and I dont get run over by women like I had in the past. It is much more fun when you can go out and actually have a good time when talking to the opposite sex instead of being intimidated by it.
With out the stuff I learned from David, I would still be one of those guys who just sits at a bar waiting for a girl to trip and fall on his d^#K.
J
I personally like David D. His stuff is very character oriented and he himself seems to embody the message of much of it; and judging from the way he carries himself suspect that he harbors little of the caprice and arrogance that so many of the people flinging shit around this blog attach to everything and
everyone they can. And in order for me to second guess that intuition, you’d have to show me some solid evidence to the contrary — a David D. I’ve very little reason to believe exists.
Developing emotional maturity is, in fact, the core of David Deangelo’s whole program, NOT CF.
CF alone just makes you coquettish, and though girls will dig it for a while, if you’re still a man-child under the hood the CF band-aid WILL NOT heal the wound.
David D.’s personal philosophy is actually LOT like Stephan Covey’s, who repeatedly emphasizes the importance of character development . CF is really only scratching the surface of what David D. is trying to say — I would even suggest that CF is a really just a natural upshot of the deeper stuff.
I can hardly express how much good his Mastery series would have done me if I’d encounterd it right when I was beginning to have solid success, when the circumstances really began to test my strength of character and I had little previous experience to draw on in handling them.
In the end I had to learn much of it myself, the hard way. And I’m not saying I’m very good at this stuff at all, because I’m not, but you really don’t have to be Mystery in order to *get it* And I can vouch for this stuff personally.
Now I do think that some of David’s marketing is sketchy and his seminars do seem to cater to seminar junkies (especially given the way he characterizes his audience as hesitant beginners even towards the end of the mastery series, even though all the info is absolutely worthless from an armchair.)
I also suspect that his game isn’t the tightest. But really, why does it need to be? My own game is sloppy as hell, and yet the girls I connect with are invariably my type, sexy, and I love them. Learn how to convey your core and the women you can really, deeply enjoy come to YOU. And what could be more important?
The Mystery Method is an awesome framework, but no matter how tight his game is Mystery would NEVER have the same sort of stuff to say as Dave; they occupy two very different conceptual worlds.
Let’s say you were climbing a mountain; Mystery’s attitude would be that if you want to get to the top of the mountain you better start climbing NOW. He’ll hand you all the equipment, show you how to start climbing the rockiest faces, and then get you to join him.
But what if you’re out of shape? What if once you get to the rockiest faces you freak out, lose your breath, and the equipment can’t really help you? I think David D’s stuff is like the muscle that will really get you to the top.
And to the people itching for a David D. lay report, I admit that I’d really be fascinated to hear it myself, but I really doubt that sort of thing is his bag. If it’s yours, his might not be the same. Just find another. I’m always glad to know that guys as different as David D. and Mystery can share thoughts and have really valuable things to say.
Now, the thing that puzzles me about a forum like this one is this: just about every packaged product in the seduction community has been made available for download at *some point* and can still be found *somewhere* Now I’m NOT endorsing the practice, but it IS true. People kick and scream as though accepting the credibility of one or another gruru means surrendering both your money and your critical faculties, but I would suggest that your critical faculties are NEVER something you should surrender, and you ought to know that you can keep your money until you really know it’s worth your while.
But I guess it can be hard to forget — and we’ve all done it to some degree at some point — that the more you can prove a guru wrong, the less personal responsibility you have to take for your failures. After all, once it becomes THEIR fault, once we have reason to believe it’s THEIR advice that is shoddy, half-assed, and myopic, the all YOU did was trust them with all your money. I think we shortchange ourselves, however, the second we adopt that attitude.
But there IS a definite need for discretion these days, and it saddens me a little. When I got started all I did was read mASF and the archives at fastseduction and culturally absorbed the records of a living community. Text over the internet had an eminently equalizing effect, and the stuff in those old correspondances was really communal in a “we’re all in this together” sort of way. From what I remember, this page was too. Now all the old learners are a bunch of hotshots.
With in-field workshops, the only thing a shoddy operation needs to do is take a bunch of timid guys to shitty venues and charge them ridiculous amounts of money for it! I’m not naming any names because everone’s mileage may vary, but I think some of you would do better to simply make some good clubber friends for free and synthesize your own method!
One of the guys on the cliff’s notes video series, for example, was REALLY unabashed about the fact that he got into the community as a business opportunity; when asked again about his personal history, he again emphasized the point: Business Opportunity. More power to you, but I didn’t listen to five seconds of what you had to say. Not. Bloody. Interested.
In any case, the most powerful and immediately applicable info is all completely free. David D. advocates giving away one’s best material quite explicitly, probably because he realizes that saying so doesn’t stop the money from pouring in.
But I don’t think that last part is really his fault.
Gentlemen,
I just did a Google search March 18, 2006,”how to get laid” to see who comes up number one on Google. Out of 106,000,000 searches this guy’s book came up number one, “Player’s Guide to Getting Laid” by George Spellwin.
I don’t know if this guy is a brother in law of Larry Page o Sergey Brin or what because I honestly have never heard his named mentioned in the famous of the famous in the underground International Seduction Community. There are guys like Mystery, David DeAngelo, Style, Cliff, Thundercat, and Elvis Preston King.
However that doesn’t mean that the book is no good. I have not read it. If George sends me a free copy I will give it a good unbiased read.
Let’s get to the bottom line here if you are looking to get laid. All of these guys but one offer a product, be it a cd, e-book, dvd, or a workshop. There is only one man who offers an in the filed training program. He actually picks up and seduces women in the real world. Even better he picks up girls on a beautiful tropical island in the spirit of an exotic vacation. With real girlfriends you can see feel, touch and more important you can get laid. Isn’t that what it’s all about? How to get laid. To get laid contact the King, Elvis Preston King. Elvis has recently been accredited as the world’s greatest pick up artist by cliff’s List, (no commercial agreement exists with Elvis Preston King and the famous Cliffs Seduction List). (cliffslist.com). No need for contact info simply search Google for Elvis Preston King and the King will surface.
Have a nice Lay.
Alberto Prince
Did i mention that i am his chauffeur?
After i finish polishing his car he always lets me polish his caucasian pole!
Have a nice Lay.
Alberto Prince
I see we have a Prince imposter. Attempting to de-grade the World’s Greatest Wingman, Alberto Prince. I think it’s funny. The loser gave me a good laugh. Lack of getting laid and working out with Rosey Palm will do that to a boy. I am certain he is not a MAN.
Just a point of interest. I have a young man who humbly approached the King for private tutoring. He found me searching the net. He is from Finland. Yes, those European boys need help too. He has taken the time to read and study my blog. I am tutoring him for free. He is getting astounding results in just a few weeks. I expect big things from him and he may be the young guy to wear the KING’S CROWN, after I am gone.
Elvis Preston King,
The REAL World’s Greatest Pick up Artist
David D., is a genious. The effort he has put in, and the learning experience, I’d say is worth only if experienced. Half the women on this planet would be against us, would they want men to be better than them, any day? Well, Men are… Truth is.
Respect to David!
Ok, so I see some of you guys saying a lot of things of DD. But; if you were to recomend some products which ones?
I mean, I saw the C%F DVD preview and Im thinking in buying it (I cant download it form the net) because its really funny.
The mastery and the adv series is way to expensive and I dont know about the rest.
I just want a simple and imparcial review.
Even better; if someone knows where I can get some of his programs (yes without paying; -_-); please send me an email.
I don’t know your personal situation, so I can’t advise you as well as I would like.
Although “Cocky comedy” was watchable and had some good parts, I don’t think is worth the price.
If you don’t want to pay the extra for the “advanced series” (which I thought was great – and think that would be your best bet) then his E-Book, “Double your dating”, was good.
“On being a man” was good for inner game. “Body Language” I consider to be good for outer game.
I REALLY wouldn’t recomend buying “77 laws of success”, But I defenitly recomend the “Interviews with dating gurus”. It’s great hearing peoples differing opinions.
I can’t advise on any of the other programs because I haven’t seen them.
Check out E-bay before buying, I find things alot cheeper there than buying direct.
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Is it just me, because i’ve also studied mm and listened to david d. But Jeffries is by far the smartest and most innovative,while at the same time starting this seduction movement using nlp.
NLP my dick in your mouth Ross Jefferies. Are you still fucking alive? Cunt
David Deangelo is a Gun at this stuff.. It appears Thundercat is pretty bitter towards a lot of PUAs out there, though from what i’ve heard in this community i’m kinda sketchy towards guys like TylerDurden..
Just because the dude is so obsessed with being a social robot! However, that said.. Anyone who looks at him talk on David.D’s ‘Bars and Clubs’ program, can’t tell me that his talk on the subject wasnt interesting!
Does very well..
Good to see a FR from David Deangelo also.. I don’t think he is the BEST, but he is still very good! And obviously a great communicator and is very well researched and organized in whatever endeavours he sets out to pursue!..
I’m a fan! David D is a champ for what he is! And his programmes are always of good value..
I think RJ could learn a lot from David D.
I’ve read David’s work. It’s beautifully simple: be sarcastic. Women are like most people–fundamentally insecure. They want to be accepted. Mock them instead. They’ll shower you with affection. Give nothing back.
As you read it, keep in mind that SHE HAS NOT WASHED HER HANDS!
That asshole on his https://order.doubleyourdating.com had his pdf files sold in Adobe format with trojan malware! I stand by my words and when I bought 3 ebooks all three have been infected with spyware that is caught by Webroot spysweeper and mcafee anti virus. This is unacceptable. I wonder if he makes commissions from each infected PC or is simple totally ignorant about rudimentary IT security procedures and as the result his files have been compromised by hackers on his server. At least my credit card number has not been stolen by anyone so far after my purchase (probably because unlike the content of his books the credit card processing transactions are outsourced) which is a good news. Interestingly the trojan malware only gets detected if the files are open and not during ordinary file or folder scan where they are placed.
To his major credit though I must state that the books are excellent and have a lot of very good dating advise that is guaranteed to make you much more successful if you apply properly his techniques.As the result I did not even bother to request a refund after a trial period because there is a lot of value and has been very useful and I’m quite happy with the results. Just make sure you have anti spyware and anti virus installed along with all patches on your pc because each and every time I open those pdf my security software prevents malicious exploits from compromising my PC which is really sick and inappropriate and negligent of his corporation.
I think if you buy the Ebook is more than enough to get a decent education of woman psychology, i would not buy all the other the stuff since is the same shit in different clothes(they just want to rip you off) but his line of thinking as reflected on his book is effective. I have personally seen the result. I use to be a big time WUSSBAG “i kiss your ass” kind of guy and always acted needy, insecure, and desperate and i still got laid cause am athletic looking but now with this new approach the result are incredible