Top 10 – Contest 1 – Your Best “Ah Ha” Moment
December 19, 2007 by Thundercat
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Okay everyone…
Time to get the ball rolling on the Top 10 contests this year, all leading up to the unveiling of the Top 10 Pick Up Artists of 2007.
I plan on giving away some good stuff, so be sure to participate! You never know who’s going to win.
The first contest is for a $50 Amazon Gift Certificate. Worth Playing for? Let’s hope so!
All you have to do to enter is post a reply in this thread talking about an "Ah Ha" experience you had sometime during the year.
Any situation where some pick-up material finally made sense for you, some type of result surprised you – whatever!
I’ll pick the most interesting "Ah-Ha" moment, and that person will receive the $50 Gift Card for Amazon.com.
Please remember – you CAN win more than once! So don’t be afraid to enter all the contests, because anything goes here at the Lair. =)
Good luck!
Thundercat
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I think one of my many “Ah Ha” moments was when I was listening to a girl ramble on an on about her life. She paused and said “You must think I’m weird spilling all my personal information to you after just meeting you”
In the past I would have said something like “no, no, that is quite alright. I enjoy hearing about your life” in a serious and reassuring manner.
Instead I said “yes, I think you are a complete dork” in a playful manner.
She later ditched her friends, she bought me a late meal and we went back to her place and fucked around.
I finally felt like I was starting to get sexual communication between men and women for once in my life. Rather than being serious, stiff and an ass-kisser I was cocky, playful and confident.
The words “you’re a dork” had a different meaning to her when spoken to her in that context. She became more attracted to me rather than wanting to slap me like I would have thought when I was an AFC.
I had my aha-moment when I finally understood social proof.
Opened a three set of warpigs. Like really heavy girls. It was a bet so I kissed one of them. While I was trying my best to keep my McRib in my mouth I recognized a three set just next to us. And these girls suddenly opened me and were al over me.
So there you go my aha-moment:No matter how ugly every female is social proof and provides you with pre-selection
Hov
Sorry. But Neil Strauss tooled it, and wrecked it.
When I found out that Mystery’s game is only good for scoring jailbirds.
One morning, I woke up and looked to my left… there was this amazing blonde that I was f*** all night long. I didn’t even remember what I did last night that worked so good, and I do not drink when I sarge.
I wasn’t getting the results I wanted for the past two months, so I HAD to know what was the magic key.
When she woke up, I demanded in a cf way for a bj (in exchange for a “home made breakfast”) instead of just “being nice” or a “gentleman” and “cook for free”.
While I was looking to that DAMN nice body and she was eating, she looked to me and thanked for “an amazing night and this delicious breakfast”. It was like she was so thankful, that she wanted to pay me. WAIT A SECOND!! When I was a AFC, I used to do SO MUCH MORE and it was like it never was enough…
My big ah-ha was that the best thing you can give to a woman are powerful emotions, desire, seduction, push-pull… And if you act like YOU are the price, they feel like they are paying low for such a great product.
Great blog Thundercat.
I have begun my jurney almost 2 years ago. Since then I’m looking and searching. Now I see a lot. After that 2 years my ‘ah ha’ was: girls are attracted to Alpha guys becouse they can protect them. They can bit other males.
In groups I see it is always the storngest. Where I live you may try to take control for couple minutes but males in group see it. Here guys are realy smart, they know what is going on. They wont convey their status, but strainght. If they see you are not stoping your dead. It just small part of them. The rest will kick your on start. If you will try to be frends with they will not.
Girls are testing us to try if we are strong to protect them. Badboys have strong personality becouse they will kick everyone ass just like that, and girls feel safe and horny becouse they are females – they do everything for they king, just to be in group, or they will die outside. You can use everything… The rest is bullshit.
I have seen almost everything from David Deangelo on DVD, and the way he is doing interviews with other gurus… and he is fighting with them all the time. The strongest will win.
It dosen’t matter how you do it. Cheating, fighting, or other way. You are the best you got girls. Looks dosen’t matter – bullshit it’s matter only if it helps you to be the best.
Have you noticed that good PUA has sometinhg, Mystery is tall! Brand is big and handsome, Hipnotica is big, and Steve P too.
Innergame is about make range in you to fight with others males for girls. But what you can do if others are bigger? Nothing, or by cheating.
We fight not with a girls like some gurus say, but with each other to show who is the best. Girls have nothing here to say, they all just take the winner (3,4,5some?!).
I remeber the interview with Rick H on ‘Mastery with Women’ and he told the same.
I have never being fighting, I’m kind of week geek, and when I saw that I stopped my Game.
Recently I was reintroduced to my old oneitis who was my inspiration for joining the community over a year ago. Although I thought I was completely over her, I guess I harboured some resentment and actively tried NOT to sarge her in spite of her beauty and the connection we shared in the past, because I didn’t want to forsake my new PUA identity by risking oneitis again.
Turns out by turning off the sarge, I actually turned it into overdrive. By avoiding routines and canned lines the inner game and identity work I had done over the past year shined through. She was hooked instantly but I made her work for it, keeping my distance not to make her chase, but to preserve myself.
Eventually, I let her back in and ironically she’s the best girl I’ve met since entering the community, which is saying something.
My aha moments were:
1) It’s not the funny or interesting lines that make you attractive, it’s the values they represent.
2) As a PUA you can’t be afraid of relationships, you should STRIVE for them, just make sure you’re getting involved with the right girls for the right reasons.
3) I may have been an AFC in the past, but I still had good taste
I had an Ah-Ha moment this summer. But it wasn’t one of those lame “I realised I had it in me all along” moments.
I was in San Francisco with some friends from London and I picked up a super hot blonde in a bar. She was short and curvy, just how I like them.
We bounced to another bar, close to her place, then left our friends there and went for a walk. We stopped outside her place and she said she’d call me a cab. I took the phone out of her hand, put it in my pocket and kissed her. She took me inside and we went to her room. We kissed. She was hot and totally into me. I turned and saw a bible on her cabinet. I said “Don’t you hate it when those f**kers from Gideons leave a bible in your hotel room!”.
My Ah-ha moment? Leave the blasphemy until AFTER the f-close!
Peace out
Cash
well I’ve been in the community for 2 & a half years and I’ve literally made PUA my life (OMD like style!!)
I am determined to become an MM intructor no matter what!! so it’s very rare NOW, when I do learn something, creating a HUGE SHIFT in my reality.
this are huge epiphnies that i’ve recently encountered this year.
I just wish I had enough money to go to a MM bootcamp – i’m really young so I rely on mum to pay stuff for me.
1)Micro Calibration (credit Sinn)
2)decoding the Zan style (I’m decoding his style as I speak -I really like to micro analyse things)
3)advance hoop theory (the art of baiting people & using statments, stories, IOD’ and detecting when people try to bait you)
4)swinggcat’s sexual compliance triggers (there are simply, in a word, GOLD!)
5)dynamics of shit testing (all possible methods of shit testing e.g. responding cyptically to HB -credit tyler durden)
P.S thundercat–>> I know your going to hate me for number 5 but I feel that as a human being we can all learn something from role models even if they have faults, hey, dont we all? I’ve also learnt and i’m sure you know too, that people dont always stay the same, people change, it’s a natural course of being human. In the end were all simply kids at heart, the only difference is how life has pushed & shaped us all.
I have many of these moments:
What comes to mind though…?
There was a great girl I took to a park, it was our 2nd encounter although I had seen her 4 seperate times in total…we had a great time and I went to kiss her on the cheek and her face did not move so I think she wanted a real kiss…it was over after then because she probably got frustrated. My rule from then on was this:
Women want action.
Mystery Method stuff at first, went over my head. In retrospect, I remember him stressing on calibration in his book, but I figured it was too complicated for me. I didn’t think I had time to do his, “newbie drill” which meant sarging four days a week. I preferred “Inner Game” stuff, so I worked on affirmations and hypnosis stuff a lot at first. Entering university, I had this killer PUA frame. I felt unstoppable – and was for a while. One of the first girls who noticed me told me, “I bet you talk to all the girls don’t you” and I said, “sure I do – IF they can hold my attention” at which point I turned up my nose and started walking away. (I’m sure you can see where this is going, I laid her very soon after.) But the truth is, I couldn’t exactly tell you HOW, I did that at the time, other than the fact that I was being mysterious, and aloof. I was still unaware of the “steps” to seduction. My “aha” moment came one night, at a club. There was a girl dancing on top a 5 foot tall platform to catch attention from the whole club. Naturally all the guys wanted her, but she didn’t notice any of them. I pointed at her, then, I flipped her off. She was perturbed but she kept on dancing, so I did it again. At this point, she called me over, to talk to me. At this fly-or-die moment, I died. I didn’t know the next step. Any value demonstrating routine would have probably worked at this point, I had her undivided attention, but I simply lacked the calibration to know that. But right after I failed, it clicked. I started running best friend’s tests on every group I spoke to. I got to more social hook points that night than I had in the whole last week. It was amazing. I was unstoppable again. Now I am working on Inner Game and Calibration, all the time. It’s a beautiful thing.
My biggest AH HA was, when I watched a recap of this years “Pick Up Congress” in Berlin germany. As I was watching interviews of the participating “Gurus” it became crystal clear to me, that this whole movement is doomed to end up as one big “cash cow”… Every looser, wannabe and rAFC is going to start his own business, or write his own book untill every possible penny is milked out of this stuff.
Even the established gurus, spend every moment of their sparetime thinking of ways to sell us the same old stuff in new and shiny wrapping papers…
Remember the Annihilation Method?
Style created a mayor hype around it, in order to earn as much money as he possibly could with the same old material, we already knew… then Mystery followed up… with exactly the same strategy, to sell us his “Magum Opus”.. again nothing but a major scam. Play or be played…
What do you know… these days Style’s “Rules of the Game” hit the shelves and it’s only a dull rehash of his “Style Lifechallenge” (which is avaliable for free already)…
So my greates AH HA moment this year was when I realized that the whole community turnes from a bunch of guys, who went out to help each other… into a pile of money-grubbing egomaniacs.
It’s funny how all of the fucking losers are now actually qualifying themselves to Thundercat. (!)
”Great blog Thundercat.” -Riu
”P.S thundercat–>> I know your going to hate me for number 5 but I feel that as a human being we can all learn something from role models even if they have faults, hey, dont we all?…” -J Zevallos.
Oh how the worm has turned. It’s amazing what a $50 amazon gift voucher can do.
When I noticed:
1)Thundercat’s crap attempts to AMOG people who criticise him.
2) That Tyler Durden is actually a God.
First aha-moment?
Easily the first time I tried to go out doing something extreme – with a large pair of green bunny-ears strapped to my head.
I got seven phone-numbers that night, and the sexiest girl in the club *dragged* me onto the dancefloor, where I allowed her to borrow the ears, and told her to do “the bunnyhop”. Not long after that, this HB is bouncing on the dancefloor, and biting down on her lower lip so her front teeth would stick out and make her look even more like a rabbit. ^^
Third time I went out, and got number and kiss-close from that particular girl. It’s what opened my eyes to being able to do or wear anything while out at the clubs.
/Pendragon
HUGE AHA moment last night when I was hangin’ w/ my exgf after watching a movie. So we go back to my pad because I had to give her a xmas present and while we’re just hanging out on the bed she starts rambling about what my intentions are, etc…
Finally she just comes out and says “I DON’T WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH YOU.” Now, if this was 2-3 years ago I probably would’ve taken this literally, gotten upset, kicked her out, and internalized everything. I mean, that is the ultimate rejection isn’t it?? So I get up off the bed and in a non emotional tone I say “Wow, that hurts… Oh hey that reminds me I have to give you your present!” So I leave for a minute, get her present, sit back down on the bed and listen to her ramble about why we shouldn’t do anything, bla bla bla, meanwhile slowly kino escalating.
Long story short, WOMEN DO NOT MEAN WHAT THEY SAY, IN THIS CASE IT WAS THE EXACT OPPOSITE.
2007 had some great ah-ha moments. I am in my mid 30′s and every girl I have dated this year has been 21-25. I had a 22 year old gf for the first part of the year. Now I am dating a 21 year old. But my Ah-Ha moment happened last week. It was hard to choose this year because I had a lot. My favorite one is not even with a girl I would be dating. You’ll see why.
Last Saturday before I met the girl I am seeing now, I went with two friends to another bar for a beer and a shot. There was a group of hotties dressed up for one’s birthday party. They just had a round of shots and one of them yells out “Jesus Christ.” I just smiled back and said, “It happens.” It was on. For the next ten minutes we were talking. I was teasing, and she was loving it. My body posture was on. I felt like Matador from the “Pick Up Artist.”
She called me adorable like twenty times. Introduced me to all her hot friends, one of which flashed her in my view. They went off to dance. I stayed at the bar. Ten minutes later. She comes back with the group. She is telling me they are off to another bar. I quickly isolate to get digits.
Then I noticed a wedding ring. Shit. Oh well. I tell her I was going to ask for the number, but since she is married I won’t. She tells me loved talking to me and that her husband goes out of town a lot. She gives me her number and takes mine. Telling to call her in two weeks. She introduces me the the bday girl, who is the hottest of the group. I try to shake her hand. She kisses me on the lips. Respect.
They leave. I meet the girl I am seeing later and have a great time even though her friend was kissing on me the whole time. Everything I have read and learned the last two years had made since. Love the website. Peace.
I got into the community about 2 years ago. There are many things I’ve enjoyed about it and there are many things that I realize now were just silly. Either way, I’m glad I’m here, because I’ve learned alot and I’ve come a long way.
I’ve become more confident socially. I now have no trouble making friends. I do have trouble making girlfriends. This past year I’ve worked on that a lot. I had gotten to a point where I could get girls attracted to me and I have fun, but I could never build up the courage to ask for their phone number or ask them out. I realized that the reason for this is because I want more, you know, physically when I hang out with a girl as opposed to a guy. This tension was keeping me from moving further. So instead I maintained the mindset that I was just going to get together with a girl as a friend and not worry whether anything else happened. And slowly I discovered that my fear of asking girls out started to dwindle. Sometimes we get physical, sometimes we don’t. Either way, I always have fun. And that’s more important. Plus, there are so many more ways to enjoy women than just through sex. It’s like what Al Pacino says in Scent of a Woman. If you aren’t indulging in every part of a woman, then you, my friend, are missing out.
Cheers.
:^)
My greatest AHA moment of 2007 was when
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Mehow opened new possibilities to my game, that in the past where told by the gurus not effective and not worth trying.
Gets rid of all the ackwardness of asking a girl in a club an opinion about jealous girlfriends and stuff like that.
That was my biggest AHA!! moment of 2007!
I must say that the biggest Ah Ha! moment I had this year, and bear in mind, ther have been 100s of these, was with a 35 year-old milfy nurse. This is when it ALL came together for me. One and half year of approaching and sarging, which started with DD’s materials. I also bought a number of the best pickup products out there which helped me evolve.
I must have nailed my group-set approach. The way HBNurse looked at me as soon I entered the set confirmed this. To her side was her best friend, a hotty as well. And to her friend’s side were AFCs. These guys were trying to buy them a drink. I find it hard to believe that in 2007 people still buy girls drinks, but whatever!
These guys left as I took over and they saw the HBNurse all over me. She touched my hair, so I used the “don’t touch the merchandise” routine. We talked some more. At some point she said “kick the bucket, mutherfu** it.” I asked her what that expression meant.
And she looked deep into my eyes and said, “when people in my town say that it means we’re going to take them and fu** them all night long.”
I tried not to show how sexually excited I was
but I think I failed, because she said,
“But not you, because you just pissed me off.”
It was a shit-test. I tried to nudge her, but then she said, “don’t touch me.” She was using what I had told her.
HBNurse was Upset. Then what happend surprised me. I went on to change the topic to change her mood and use some micro-calibration. It worked for a while. But here’s the best part. As soon as I disqualified myself to her friend, HBNurse jumped all over me. The more I disqualified myself, the more she wanted me! It all went great from there. I spent all night banging her at her hotel room!
It was in the morning that I had the biggest AHA moment so far: I had come into the group set SO powerfully attractive that this gorgeous milf had needed an excuse not to have sex with me. She was looking for a way out of having to bed me. It hadn’t clicked until then that I Was The Man.
I had already prepared myself so much with the help of the community that I had not kept tabs into how much I had evolved. I was now the high valued one because of all the work I had done. And I would have messed it up had I not changed the topic and disqualify myself enough for her to make it seem like it was her choice. I cannot begin to explain how powerful this was to me, and from there my AFC days were a thing of the past.
By the way, the following day, fresh from sex, I picked up another girl! This was my first day-game pickup and the girl was so cool and beautiful, the kind of woman I want to marry. It’s true, sex leads to more sex. But that’s a whole other Ah-Ha moment!
So here’s celebrating these “Ah Ha” moments in 2007. Who knows what next year will bring, but I think I have an idea…:)
April 2007: I am standing in the mens room, by the urinal. I need to pee real bad, but I just can’t go. I am drunk and have not talked to any girls, feeling like a failure as usual.
June 2007: I’m standing in mens room in another night club, by the urinal. This time I am like a waterfall. During the night me and my wing have successfully completed a newbie mission. We gave 15 girls each a compliment or just asked a question, the point being as simple as just talking to girls. We were both sober. This night I finally turned theory in to practice and I realised that I actually could change.
My Aha moment came when I realized what a fraud Tyler was. He always comes off as qualifying himself with his obsession with travel. Maybe he should become a flight attendant? He always has those dopey pics of himself hugging a tree with a slack-jawed look he probably read about in a book somewhere.
Also, he writes all hundreds of pages of marketing crap for his products and when you watch them, you are like “huh?” Where is the product he was talking about in the ad?
Now RSD has a cult following cuz that have some catchphrases that college kids love.
OK, cue RSD spammers for rebuttal. Remember guys, it’s a 3:1 ratio of replies…………..lol………….what a bunch of losers…..lol
That cocky funny needs to be communicated INCLUSIVELY. Sending her not only the messages “I am worthy of you” “I am worthy fun and stimulation” “I can give you good emotions” but also “I am with you” “You and I against the whole world”. Only with this component (others call it “ATTAINABILITY” the whole things takes you somewhere cause without requesting compliance on a suble level you stay in your bubble and she in hers…..
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