RSD is afraid of little ol’ me!
April 19, 2006 by Thundercat
Filed under News
Wow, those RSD guys must have been pissing themselves. I JUST GOT a ceast and desist letter from their attourney. It was a total pile of BS.
You gotta love lawyers. They make simple Cease and Desist claims sound like your last rite.
Here’s the thing, why would anyone who had nothing to hide need a cease and decist? After all, these are RSD’s own words! Why would they be ashamed to have them in the public eye?
Maybe because… they’re UNETHICAL? They show IMMORAL TACTICS?
Anyway, I’m gonna comply with this sucker and take the offending documents offline. So you won’t be able to get them here any more. And since I was doing a public service and not profiting off this stuff, they don’t have a legal leg to stand on here.
BUT, this is what people do when they get scared they’re going to be revealed. They run to their lawyers and try to bully others into not speaking out. They hide behind the LAW so they can keep being unethical.
Let everyone know, that in my unprofessional opinion, that RSD knows what they do to students, but wants to keep everyone else from knowing about it.
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Mystery, or anyone else, on a serious note, is there any difference between RSD and the Mystery Method???
I’m genuinely interested. Both champion opinion openers, but at face value RSD seems geared towards elite party girls and it’s a lot of “entertainer” frame, whereas Mystery method seems more subtle and its more of an “interesting” frame.
Also, on the newsletter RSD claimed to have originated the 90/10 principle which is clearly a Juggler thing. Anyway, I’m just curious as to if there are any actual differences between RSD and MM in terms of PUing in the field.
Cheers,
Ready for the VIDEO proof that after Style’s book came out TD & Papa plotted revenge?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d10OmCFWynM
>Yo Mystery, If you got a girlfriend, why in hell are you still sarging?
I also sarge to teach – did a bootcamp in Scottsdale with Lovedrop and a dozen students (and Sinn – who got laid – he pulled a girl off her BF and took her back to his hotel for a facial in record time – like 1.5 hours or so. Good times.) Also, the relationship I currently have has become … strained. She is flying back to London in a few days. We love eachother but living together is getting to us. *shrug* I also have my fallback reason: I’m Mystery.
(BTW, guys, is it just ME or is this … with all its soap opera maddness … FUN?)
>Mystery, no one cares about you, you retarded DLVing piece of shit. Go have another nervous breakdown and sleep w/ your “10″. You’re so cool champ.
I never had a nervous breakdown but yeah I cried when my GF at the time who I had thought had my baby for a week fucked my good buddy. I mean Im MYSTERY. My crying over it was unexpected by ME! why would I cry over some girl I didnt LIKE as a person? That’s not to say she wasnt a babe, just that her wake and bake lifestyle (ironic now that I smoke) wasn’t my cup of tea at the time. Why? Well, it turns out … when a male’s mate mates with someone else, it triggers a hardwired sense of loss … that I can only say is equivalent to the feeling one gets when a loved on passes away … full out uncontrollable grieving. And AS I ENDURED the emotion I was also aware that it triggered inappropriately. Brains dont care what you THINK of the girl, just that you stick around to raise your offspring. Anyway, So I took some glorified sleeping pills to chill the fuck out and actively sarged GFTOW style. And since then I had a year LTR with Ania and the last 8 months with my current (though its rocky and we are going to take a breather for a bit). Of course in between the LTRs I enjoyed relating with ‘other’ women (including the SI swimsuit model you see in my ebook).
>Your so called best trained toad neil Strauss is the laughing stock of the real world.
All I can tell you is this: Lisa (however rocky their relationship is) loves him emmensely. And the other GF he had for a while (she is BFF with my ex Ania BTW) was a young tall hotty with sometimes bad taste in clothing styles – sexy girl though. I personally met many of Style’s various GFs. And he IS good in field when not pressured by cameras. Im the camera guy. Those who came to the seminar saw footage of me infield.
Students at my last seminar here (100+ students) also got to meet Ania, and Neil’s girl here, plus my current GF. Perhaps my weakness for women is a DLV. I have this sad desire to validate myself through beautiful women. I am living with this burden quite well (I had sex a few hours ago and it was very satisfying for instance).
>your method ONLY works for YOU. Stop conning people. Turd.
again, all I can report is that I saw Maximus’ GF. And Sinn got laid this past weekend. And Lovedrop (who is limited in pulling girls for full monty because he has to run a bootcamp) made out with several girls with PUA-in-training witnesses. And Style gets more pussy than he deserves. And TD, despite his evil ways has had many GFs. Ive met the girls. Ive seen it all with my own eyes. And Savoy lived with 2 GFs at once for a while and still shares his bed with several women per week (and sometimes at a time). And Mehal became a pimp thanks to Lovedrop’s guidance and infield coaching. And then there are the countless students (you may read the testimonials at your leisure on my site – they are a surprisingly entertaining read seeing as they are written by community members who before meeting me shared similar thoughts as you. And I have video clips of a LOT of our adventures. One day I will edit it all together into additional WTF episodes.
>Instead he [Elvis Preston King] thinks you are the only one as amazing as him so we have to return the favour.
Im not blowing smoke up people’s ass when I say what elvis does sounds very plausible. Last week I worked in Scottsdale … the type of women there are different than those in the DR and his TWG (third world gambit) of course wouldnt work there (or here in Vegas or anywhere in America). See, I can go there and by the very nature of his game, I would excel instantly (or at least quickly with some familiarization to cultural differences) but Elvis doing the cold approach on Scottsdale hotties? Its not his league. But you know what? Dudes MUCH older and found a particular gambit that pulls girls who may in fact BE physically hot (or at least hot ENOUGH for him). That’s a cool lucky glitch he’s taking full advantage of (and Im not even going to bother discussing whether it’s ethical – the girls are adults and capable of making decisions for themselves). While they don’t have money or American Citizenship, they ARE GIRLS. So props. Of course, can one claim “World’s Greatest PUA” from it? I suppose I COULD go down there and work there to prove I could clean HOUSE in the DR (think of my instant advantage over Elvis: Style the rolling stone rock critic as my wing, money on my side, youth, the rockstar look and the TV appearances, the upcoming album, the celeb friends, etc) but what does that really prove? That American’s going to the DR will instantly DHV? Im not fighting his claims. I agree he has a specific gambit that works and if any american wishes to settle for hot poor girls all it takes is a ticket. If thats the case Id say take his dream tour thing. Learn how to set up your situation there quickly with his guidance. If I didn’t prefer high status women Id fuckin’ do that too hell. Anyways, I think we are all on the same page here regarding what type of women MM pulls and what type the TWG pulls. Both hot – just diff social value. I dont think the girls he pulls would be considered much more than nieve opportunists hoping to hitch a ride to America but then again, haven’t the girls in America simply done that ALREADY? haa. My current GF’s exes were multi-millionaires. She’s slumming with me in comparison.
Shit its 6am guys, WTF.
ok so the reason I came here was to show you that video clip of “TD & Papa”. Listen to it and see the parallels. Clown Shoes – that’s all.
Love !Mystery
(I put an ! mark in front of everything I do)
Welcome back to this blog Mystery.
You’ve just singlehandidly disarmed all the trolls in here (including me, lol).
Now it’s time for a nice video of a PU-roadtrip for the viewing pleasure of all ppl on this blog:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EA0glGLFHpQ&search=social%20dynamics%20Mystery%20seduction%20RSD%20Game%20Neil%20Style%20Strauss%20pickup%20artist
Enjoy!
I’m sorry about that retarded link i posted.
This is a better link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EA0glGLFHpQ
I got too much stuff to do today. Don’t have time to read Mysterys new E-book he posted above about RSD and TC.
Geeze. dude.
Is there some sort of point to that WAY TOO LONG post you wrote?
Oh wait. I see. It’s an Infomercial. ;p
One thing that I saw that made sense (if there was more I didn’t get to it but it looks like after that you just started selling MM – Free Ad space in Invaluble.):
Wow thats weird I think I broke your page…
Don’t ask me how.
Look at me, my posts are so powerful that anyone elses must be in my blockquote
Get off their nuts thundercat, you fucking dickfuck.
All the gurus suck dick. TD has great posts though.
Was style lying when he talked about the incident with Mystery and Herbal, or the knife and the reverend? How about the part where Style said Mystery wanted to kill himself because “life is too expensive.”
Mystery’s a very nice guy as long as he’s getting his way, getting paid, and getting props, and isn’t being challenged. Women are into his money and fame and he calls that game, and his students are the one giving him the money and fame.
Mystery vouches for Style, but they profit from their affiliation. Who ELSE can confirm all of Style’s exploits? How come none of the supposedly dozens of fame-hungry women that Style has seduced has not come forward to claim their 15 minutes? Yeah, Lisa loves him, but Lisa also got to move into his house and work with him, plus her friend Courtney Love crashed at ProHo when she had nowhere else to go.
Mystery will ultimately destroy his method by saturing it. I mean the parts of his method that don’t require money and fame.
Let me see if I can help end this blockquote ordeal real quick. I wonder if this will work…
There.
I gots one question. Is Mystery really Satanic?
Lol, you’re actually quite a cool,laid back guy Mystery.
I was just fucking around w/ those previous comments. But you DO have an unhealthy obsession with acronyms.
Why go throught all the trouble to do this thundy? Seriously…can someone tell me? What does Thundy gain from trying to “expose” RSD? Thundercat and all the other AFC´s here are simply Jelouse of the RSD guys. Why? They make money, travel around the world and live like rockstars. Something that people who have meaningless lives simply cant stand. You dont like RSD…simple…dont take a workshop. Go take a Mystery Method workshop…he is pretty much the only PUA that I trully respect. Since Thundy is doing all this “expose” simply to make Style look good for their business partnership. So much drama….its stupid!
Hey !Mystery,
In the Carly & Caroline video, did you initally go after Carly (the blond?) and then Style ended up with her? I think the brunette is pretty cute.
That’s funny when you guys are sleeping on the floor together and you look over their shoulder and smile at the camera. I could tell you would be a cool dude to hang with.
Keep bloggin’, bro, it’s good to hear from ya!
I’d just like to add that I’ve listened to a few of TD’s RSD seminars. Is it just me or do they all sound like a Nazi Youth Rally. A whole bunch of “state pumping” followed up by “AND YOU GUYS WILL SIGN UP FOR AN IN FIELD WORKSHOP, IT’S THE ONLY WAY YOU’LL REALLY GET BETTER.”
Mystery, Lance Mason, and Franco are the biggest influences on my game.
F^^ranco ur big influence eh? do u piss on your gf as well?
Fucking disgusting, some guy pisses on his girlfriend’s dress because franco told him to.
http://fastseduction.com/masf/105/315040/
MONKEY BUSINESS YOU ARE ON FUCKING SICK CUNT. I HOPE SOMEONE MURDERS YOU AND PISSES ON YOUR CORPSE
Posted by: mASF peeps are fucked up | Apr 19, 2006 10:59:24 AM
“Then I think she took me to the toilet and busted my balls some more,
because she was drunk or angry… I then turned round in the toilet and
pissed all over her designer dress. Don’t ask me why. So she was real angry
at me again. ”
HOW FUCKING SICK DO YOU HAVE TO BE? MOTHER FUCKER YOU SHOULD BE ARRESTED.
THIS IS WHAT THE SEDUCTION COMMUNITY HAS BECOME
Ppl who take work shops are gonna be really disapointed in the coming years. The number of men who are using the same lines to get women is increacing and more and more students are getting caught. Mystery even knows the more ppl use the same method, the less the method has effect on others. Mystery will always get babes because you paid for his “status” and glorified him to the point where he no longer needs game because of his new found money and fame.
A new movie is coming out to expose all you geeks and every one in america will laugh at all the deebs who left their jobs, hometowns, famyily, friends, all for the sake of getting it right.
Now their is going to be a reality show on top of the moive and books….it’s safe to say, you guys who go to bootcamps are doing it for no reason and will only feel hurt when that hot babe calls you out and says “are you trying to neg me??? Get a life internet loser, i don’t fall for that”.
Read about this guy catching two guys trying to game his girl by using the same over used, now turned into pick up lines.
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http://www.mysterymethod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9167
My girl and I, whom I’ve been with for over 2 years are sitting down and eating at Denny’s and this 20 something kid comes and says, “who lies more, men or women?”…..I quickly look at my girl and she had a disgusted look on her face ( bitch shield ) and he quickly started stacking his ON LINE ROUTINES and I start laughing because every single routine he says, I whispered in her ear what he was going to say next ( with the exception of his weird DHV story about him saving his “girl” from a street gang member who lied to her lol). I even let him neg my girl and I told her he’s doing this to lower her social value so you can be insecure about your self to the point where you would view him as a person of higher social value than you….
I know for a fact this guy knew he wasn’t going no where with us, yet, he STILL KEPT ON STACKING HIS “THE GAME” routines…..so after the first 3 minutes I tolled him you’re using “the game” methods on my girl and you know it…he said, “kick ass, you read that too?” and attempted to give me a high five and I said nice try though….My girl looked at him pathetic, she thought it was sad for him to have to go ON LINE to understand women…she started bashing him for not being original….Then that’s when i defended him and said, he never had Cosmo for men, like you ladies do….and we debated about it for a few minutes…then i go to the bathroom and I see the same guy with is FUZZY pink top hat( peacocking) and started to chat with him and he seemed like a koo guy he even said he was a bit embarrassed to have been caught….I told him it’s koo and told him what he could of done different to have made the conversation last longer..
So as I leave the bathroom, i see this 23 year old dork asking my girl if he can get her opinion about “his friends jealous girlfriend”…..LOOL, i just simply walked passed him and grabbed my girls arms and left….My girl was like what’s up with these guys asking my opinion, do I look like Dr. Phil to them?? hehehe…we had a good laugh and I said, there just having a good time, let them be…
BTW, the guy asking about the Jealous girlfriend was the other guys friend who was in the bathroom at the time…….
Whoa these guys just read the game and started abusing it word for word……CANT WAIT FOR THE MOVIE NOW lol….it’s all fun though, as style said, “the game will always change”
have you guys met any ppl sarging using MM or other well known methods while you were out?
Hey, that was MY acronym Thrillseeker.
Actually, I had to laugh, when I first stumbled upon Thailand, I was blown away. I think I slept with about ten chicks in twenty days … and I was fighting them off the whole time. But then you see what’s going on, and you do your best to extricate yourself from that scene.
Who wants to be fucked for their perceived status? Then again, as Mystery has likely mentioned, that’s who gets fucked.
At the time, it was too much for this kid, so I took off to the temples. Zero to hero is a headtrip, and you can’t help but feel like a charlatan.
(Admittedly, some adapt better to this than others.)
But I’m back in Thailand again. Shucks, the place is cheap, and I have a steady stream of new tourists to practice game on every week. Sorta Las Vegas-like, but without so many fat Americans.
(We get fat Germans instead)
But the game is odd here. Attraction routines bomb miserably for me … with just about every nationality here. My best results have been achieved with fluff talk and kino. You do need game for the hotter girls, but it’s an entirely different game. It involves adopting all the mannerisms of someone with exceptional status. And if you bobble at all, the results are disastrous.
I’m not sure, but I suspect the game is the same as that played at those high status clubs I hear about in America. Only you’re running it on a backpacking HBSwede.
Fun stuff.
Best,
G13
Juggler rules.
In the end people who teach you to come up with your own personality and shit, and don’t teach you to rely on openers and Gambits are the guys who will still be worth while.
Don’t let anyone fool you. Mystery is good at what HE does but his methods are not necessarily the best for OTHER guys.
But like I’ve always said. Take the stuff from guys that works for you. No 1 guru or method teaches everything you need. The True Jeet-Kune-Do Idea is that instead of worshiping one method. You take the bits and pieces from each style you like and learn to perfect them.
No one is wrong, no one is right. It just matters what is useful to you.
Check out this movie guys.
Style demonstrate “how to PU.. actually for real:”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFrW68fa30o&search=neil%20strauss%20mtv
To quote that god-awful CSI PUA episode…
“The ironic thing is, where you are going, you might just be the target”. Ouch!
Mystery Method will die in less then a year.
However, Jugglers method will make you a better person and will make you CREATE your OWN personality that WILL never be sold out or played out like Mystery’s is doomed to be because of their money hungry ways.
If you want to be a good guy with the ladies for the next year or so, then by all means take Mystery’s Method…after the movie comes out and the reality TV show hits, every one in America will know what your up to and will bring you back to square one and will also put a big hole in your wallet.
However, if you want to go the natural and genuine way, then take Jugglers, it might be harder to get down, but you sure as hell can be confident that no other man is saying the same lines as you are…it will also make you more of a charming man that BOTH sexes will love.
I’ll be back on here after the reality show hits and will say “i told you so” to rub it in. Don’t waste your money on Mystery method workshops or bootcamps. Every thing you will need to learn will be shown on VH1′s Reality show, so DON’T pay when it’s gonna be FREE.
Juggler is the BEST there is and he is the ONLY “guru” to keep his girlfriend for this long.
Mystery and style both have girls that end up leaving them because they rely on scripts and magic to keep their attention. Learn to be natural and not rely on gimmicks and dancing monkey magic tricks..be a FUCKING REAL MAN and use your mouth to make her spread her legs.
I vouch for the community to go the juggler route because you will NEVER EVER worry about a MOVIE or a reality TV SHOW selling your method out because it’s YOUR method, you make it and it makes you a smooth natural talker.
Yep, we already talked about how much of a dweeb Style made of himself in that clip.
Lets not waste any more time on this guy.
RSD CUNTS ARE STILL RUINING LIVES.
THEY RUINED MINE, DON’T LET THEM RUIN YOUR ANAL PASSAGE.
When woman tells bullshit sometimes a penis in her eye is not enough. Guys you must react to her 101 by taking a shit on her dress. Doing so appeals to her evolutionary detector. You do not get betaised this way and leads to grea fucks. My wife gets horny and hell. tells “franco. no one ever treated me so well”
Be her prince.
Franco
style is a geek.
Like OH MY GOD mystery, i can’t believe you hang with him.Does he always act nerdy like that or is he pretending??? *rolling my eye* Nerds hang out with nerds.
Pshhhhhhh give me a break, I’m sick of these two. Every one is buying their crap that they can download on Limewire for free.
Mystery’s Method won’t be around in two years. Every one using it is doing so in vain. The movie, the reality shows, the books, they’re all going to make it a standard PUA routine that creeps and nerds like style only use. And anyone using it will automatically DLV because the media has an image of Styles nasally, wimpy vocal cords.
Style is a liar, his girl cheated on him with a rich famous guy and he lied on here saying she was still with him, but low and behold she was sucking Robbie Williams uncircumcised cock. Mystery’s ex-girlfriend had sex with his good FRIEND while they were a couple( whoa, some gurus they are).
Every day another MM sucker is sucked in to pay thousands of dollars to do routines that are being mainstreamed. Mystery knows it, his shit is not gonna be here. After the MOVIE comes out, every hot babe in America will know why your ugly ass is “neging” her. And every big buff dude will know what an “Amog” is and PUA’s will soon know the value of a good dentist. The time is now, change your methods and stop feeding mystery, rsd, DYD, money..all their products are free on the Internet..Hell, you can learn Mystery’s Method better on his forum than you can watching his DVD’s…
stop spending and wasting money on MM products, they will be for 9$ at your local movie theater in less than a year and half….or you have cable you can wait six months for the reality show to hit on VH1.
yes, the movie will ruin the game for all of you still using these methods. Soon you all will be flocking down to experience my Bachelor dream tours. I won’t show you canned material, so come on down. The king was has been using his own material for 40 years. You to can learn to the true way to pick up dominican girls, I can show you.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Very true son. That’s some good shit.
All the losers he has conned into buying his DVDs, and bootcamps must be livid.
Style the little shit is mainstreaming it and making PU look fucking CREEPY. everyone has a v. bad image of it because of that semetic looking ass wipe
Not elvis’s post, the one above. Elvis is the lowest form of rancid shit. He is a rapist and takes advantage of 12 yr old girls and 3rd world bitches who will do any thing for food.
You sick fuck elvis. I hope you get ass raped.
Tyler Durden, Papa, Mystery, Style, and the whole crew were
in Diapers when I was still developing the hand solo method back in the United States. I am light years ahead of the all these people, making new notches on my bedpost everyday with girls the RSD crew sould only dream of getting.
It’s good to see this community (which formed from a desire of guys trying to help each other) is still deep down just a bunch of AFC’s throwing insults.
Obviously there are exceptions, but there is clearly a lot of room for improvement still =)
Relyt
People are using opinion openers and shit like Pick up lines. You’ve got Joe Public reading The Game, watching Movie/Reality show and just hearing the words ad verbatim. The core community will continue to thrive and survive – those who GET IT – get the whole game (via David De/DYD, Juggler, Bishop, Mystery minus The Method, Gunswitch) will have game regardless of how exposed the ‘Crutches’ of openers and sequences and methods go.
DYD is the most popular franchise, but I would stake myself on the fact that atleast 50% of the guys reading it just don’t get the core essence behind it.
It’s not about being an ‘unnatural’ trying to imitate and fake the success patterns of a natural. It’s about developing yourself to the point where your entire being is a Natural. It’s getting in touch with your biological right as a man to be able to command the attraction of women.
Like Craig or pretty much any other top ‘Stand up guys’ have said, it’s not what you say, it’s what you subcommunicate.
To paraphrase The Craig himself (from his DD interview – awesome shit):
“If you can’t have a conversation with a GUY and leave and have him thinking you’re cool, you shouldn’t even begin with women”.
If you think losing a method or negging, or opinion openers or any other crutch is going to devestate your game, you need to get your arse back to where I am spending my time right now and start working on your basic fundementals of being a Stand Up Guy.
And for all those guys, throwing shit Mystery’s way – you guys need to look inside yourself and find out why Mystery makes you feel so insecure.
(RJ can go fuck himself though. His shit is just plain evil manipulation.)
good post Relyt, but i do enjoy the rather vicious insults that are unnecessarily thrown at people on here.
Oh yeah, and since I haven’t communicated with the Community in like 5 years:
Whoever “The Traveller” was on the fastseduction player board (Alpha Male Thread) (I think it was David De or someone else out there with an ebook), let me just say –
– Thanks man. I Re-read your posts and my posts and our interactions and realised what I have lost over the last few years, and the fact that I was on the Right track back then due to your guidence. I shoud’ve stuck to what I was on, but I realise that now.
i took your stupid ass seminar and you fucking insulted me the first day, talked all the time how great you are and told me i’ll never get laid because of my career choice. so FU!!!
Out of curiosity, what is your career choice?
Where’s Owen Cook? I’ll kick his backstabbing ass!
(if this article is deleted, readers have my permission to republish it in its entirety elsewhere on the net, as long as they link to my site and attribute it to me).
Yes, this is Ray, and maybe Thundy won’t DELETE this fucking post like he did the last time, since I saw all of this shit coming.
Gotta love this:
I stopped releasing most of my new theory in 2001 (one book in 2004), because I could see what happens: I said something in 1998, and my competitors lie about me and deflect, only to have them or their friends publish it in 2000 or 2001 (or now 2006), and what they used to call “body odor” suddenly becomes “Chanel No. 5″ when they profit from it. Really cute.
At the time, I didn’t know what to do: I could stop publishing new theory and this would cause others to grab the spotlight, or I could keep proving myself with new theory and keep having it stolen. I decided that withholding the new theory was the lesser evil, since I did have several books that taught guys enough to get laid with. Those of you who have used pivots, reverse timetables, gimmicks, “lifestyle” (that’s what Foxhunting was based on from the get-go and it has been copied by many others), and so forth. The problem was that even as the material got more popular, it was still working, so I was getting fucked over.
What I needed, I got: a future where none of the people who co-opted my ideas have a clue about what to do NEXT. Guess what? I saw this coming in 1998 and know EXACTLY what to do to get a 9-10 just about anytime I want one, and I don’t need money, lifestyle, or even looks to do it. I use BRAINS, like I always have.
To all the people who bought into the lies told about me, you got what you deserved by going to second-hand sources for the info. When the time came that we need new ideas, those who had their old ideas *stolen* weren’t going to be so quick to pony up, so the mainstream types who stole our shit now have to find a new well, and it’s not easy.
One asshole here talked about how he wanted to find a “nice guru” to help him after he wasted thousands on those evil gurus, but how is he any different from the “reformed slut” who wants you to wait six months for sex after she was fucking guys in the bathrooms at clubs? The best guy deserves the best deal, and so does the best guru.
“Outfoxing The Foxes” was 10 years ahead of its time, and by the time it became the vogue, the noise made by many out here clouded who really advanced this “community.” Not just me, but all of YOU as well. I just saw a market for this stuff and thought $30 a book would be cool to get for giving this advice. Now I see guys spending tons more than that to learn what I could have taught them in 1998. They are like the women who choose bad men and then whine about it to the good ones they can’t bring themselves to want because they’re afraid of not looking cool. I could put together a book in 30 days that would blow your minds but I’m not putting another word in print for less than $100,000. I learned my lesson the last time. Meanwhile, I’m writing a kick-ass CHESS book (chess is THE game) and have a USCF peak rating of 2000 that makes me officially an “expert” (that’s the title). I can help loser geeks at chess just as easily, and without the downside that you all see here. Plus, it’s difficult to steal ideas in chess because those ideas must be perpetually evolved, and if you don’t have the originator, the evolution will go way off course. I must say I find it very entertaining watching all of you drift slowly into an abyss of ignorance.
Mystery won’t tell you this, but I’ve had a standing challenge to him for an on-camera pickup contest at a STRIP CLUB. Just him, me, a table, a CHESSBOARD, and they film us playing chess while we interact with the dancers. What’s he SCARED of? What are they all so SCARED of that they can’t even debate me let alone try me out in the field? I’m pushing 40, not wealthy or even average income, way overweight, and I have an STD. Surely Mystery wouldn’t have a problem…or would he? Mystery may be the real deal, but that doesn’t mean I’m not, and are women really going to admit to responding to his method? If so, that would be useful too as a message to the AFC, so the challenge would have no losers and we’d get a proper perspective of the community on film.
For those who don’t know, the REAL reason the “seduction community” gained steam is that the message boards on AOL, Prodigy, Compuserve, and any of the few websites around back in 1997 would censor any guy who told the truth as being “hateful to women.” What happened is that to escape the censorship (that included losing valuable AOL accounts, or prodigy accounts), the men migrated to USENET where they could speak freely, and from there it snowballed. Ross only got there first because he was commercial and that was always a no-no on places like AOL.
Back in 1994-1996, AOL and Prodigy had lively discussions of a lot of this stuff, and a lot of the theory you see here was actually developed there before it ever hit USENET.
Someone would have to be pretty damn stupid not to see the “seduction bubble” crashing. Sure, there will always be men spending money and some will get results, but the methods will never work with the power that they had 5-10 years ago. We’ve gone from women not even knowing they were pivots to listing “pivot” as their occupation on their tax returns, for god’s sake. You think a professional pivot is going to react to a guy she sees with another pivot? Doesn’t work that way.
It’s GAME OVER for the golden age. Now we have a much more “accurate” market where it’s going to be difficult for ALL men to succeed, but there is one clear path to an advantage now for the men who are smart enough to find it. Unfortunately, however, distribution is what rules the internet, so you guys better hope that the “brand names” you’ve all been buying into for years deliver in the future as well as they’ve delivered in the past. You are what you click, and you are what you spend. I may not sell a million books, but it is easier now to fuck a 9.5 than it has ever been…if you know how.
Thank you Thundercat for the very amusing conflict. You guys all put on quite a show.
“Thank god I’m only watching the game, controlling it! I don’t see you guys rating the kind of mate I’m contemplating.”
You should all be locked up in a nut house.
Angels on the sideline,
Puzzled and amused.
Why did Father give these humans free will?
Now they’re all confused.
Don’t these talking monkeys know that
Eden has enough to go around?
Plenty in this holy garden, silly old monkeys,
Wonder’s when you’re bound to divide it
Right in two
Angels on the sideline,
Baffled and confused.
Father blessed them all with reason.
And this is what they choose.
Monkey killing monkey killing monkey
Over pieces of the ground.
Silly monkeys given thumbs,
They forge a blade,
And brothers walk abound to divide it,
Right in two.
Right in two.
Monkey killing monkey killing monkey
Over pieces of the ground.
Silly monkeys give them thumbs,
They make a club
And beat their brother.. down.
How they survive so misguided is a mystery.
Repugnant dismal creature who would squander
The ability to live, to die, and have a conscience
Brothers live inside here
Cut it all right in two
Cut it all right in two
Cut it all right in two
Cut it all right in two
Fight over the clouds, over wind, over sky
Fight over life, over blood, over prayer, overhead and light
Fight over love, over sun, over another
Fight…
Angels on the sideline again
Been so long with patience and reason
Angels on the sideline again
Wondering when this tug of war will end
Cut it all right in two
Cut it all right in two
Cut it all right in two
Right in two
Right in two… Right in two…
I like to call myself a Player rather than a Pick Up Artist. Pick Up Artist, to me, sounds too much like you’re carefully chisling a sculpture, or you’re putting everything in place how you want it. I don’t like being analytical when I’m picking up chicks. If I call myself a “player”, it’s more like I’m playing the numbers game of picking up women, and having fun. “Artist” just seems to serious to me.
Maybe the next thing Tyler Dwarfish and Pupa doing, is to put charges on bitches who brushed them off. A MAN would never hide behind a lawyer -what a bunch of pathetic losers. RSD sucks like a storm of feces.
-THE EURODUDE-
Buttugly and old but still get laid like hell
Hey Ray Gordon, shut the fuck up. You are the laughing stock of the community. I can’t wait until Mystery reads that garbage you just wrote and puts you in your place like he has done TIME AND TIME again in the past. I swear, the best part of Mystery’s archive was how bad he owned you. You are a joke and an old man virgin Ray. Just give up, you are already weeded out of evolution haha.
FUCK YOU STUPID FUCKING RSD FAGGOTS. OWEN CUNT COOK YOU RUINED TOO MANY LIVES FOR THE LAST TIME. I AM GOING TO HUNT YOU DOWN IN YOUR SLEEP AND CUT YOUR HEAD OFF WITH A CHAINSAW. FUCK YOU TO FUCKING HELL ASSHOLES!!
Good morning gents. Its 3:22pm and I JUST woke up. Thanks a lot!
>Ppl who take work shops are gonna be really disapointed in the coming years. The number of men who are using the same lines to get women is increacing and more and more students are getting caught. Mystery even knows the more ppl use the same method, the less the method has effect on others.
If people were to use the EXACT same word for word routines then sure, but why in the world would one do THAT? They are merely EXAMPLES of routines that DO SOMETHING. Each routine does something specific (well some do many things all at once in an elegant multi-tasking manner). Your job is not to memorize a PATTERN word for word but rather understand a concept via Reading about it, hearing a PUA say it to them and explain it, then show them LIVE in field to a girl, then try it out themselves, then alter it or altogether run an entirely unique routine that happens to do the same set of THINGS. I mean, thats what I personally do. My material is very different from Style’s yet we use the same structure. I can’t help but say, “wow you just dont GET IT – text sucks” – because in person you would, as all others have who have met me, simply say after a brief talk with me that it all makes sense – that the structure of courtship is embedded into HUMANITY and anyone who get’s the girl follows the method.” You read Chapter 3 right? Very little MATERIAL but tonnes of STRUCTURE. And each step in the structure has an objective and the material we use, whether my examples or the examples of other PUAs or ones you make up may be used to complete the objective of each step. Its the same pointless cry members of the magic community make about magic being revealed to the world. Every 4 years there is a new batch of women in the clubs – we live in a population explosion – one which I dont believe people here fully appreciate. Forget about the “HIDE THE INFO” tactic. People can learn about magic just by typing in a SEARCH on the net. Its THAT easy … but do they DO IT? no. and if they DO research magic, when they do finally go to a magic show they see the old principles used in a unique artistic manner and truly appreciate the art for much more than someone who knew NOTHING of magic.
The world is NOT ending gentlemen. Magic is an art. Pickup is an art. Yes they are evolving … and there is a market for both. Revealing pickup tactics to women generally make them say, “wow that’s brilliant!” At least when they read my book. The community aspect is geeky as all hell only because geeky men are seen in it. But you know what? there is an entirely super cool set of guys who have more women in there lives than men. You may use our word for word routines if you like, but that WILL get you caught, just like if you stole George Carlin’s jokes and performed them as your own on stage. Well? Dont DO THAT. Instead, learn the STRUCTURE of comedy from Carlin and use his jokes as EXAMPLES to draw from. Then learn from other comedians who are of his caliber and finally develop your OWN show. Why for instance do people repeatedly say my magic beats david blaines? because I have some principles in magic that are superior to his? perhaps. but perhaps its because I do my best to dance to the beat of my own drum and not taint my image with stereotypes that are attached to cards, coins, etc. I dont use them. So if a specific routine brings out the stereotype that you are an AFC TRYING to get a girl, um … stop using it. A typical sarge from meet to sex will likely include anywhere between 50 and 100 separate routines – Id say 95% of my routines are different from styles. Please remember where all these famous routines are coming from … my literal friends and I! They work and we give them to you and they get used as examples to get up to speed so you can contribute your OWN thoughts and routines. Its never ending, just like magic. Despite open communication on the net magic shows STILL profit. And hell, if I ever vanish a cigarette I never get caught – even IF the routine can be learned in SECONDS on the net or in any children’s magic kit because of the polished PERFORMANCE of it. Take a magic trick for a kid, remove the silk hanky and replace it with a substantiated prop in a club and do the effect dressed fuckin’ cool and not magiciany, dont say TRICK or even MAGIC and then perform it for the target by impressing her with the amount of people watching you do it and VOILA, a fuckin’ MIRACLE. Get out of your head and into the game. I see nothing of the sort – the world is NOT crashing down. Yes women will learn that courtship has phases. they will learn examples of routines too for each. to fool a magician with magic is the goal. to pickup a woman who KNOWS your secrets is just as rewarding.
>Mystery will always get babes because you paid for his “status” and glorified him to the point where he no longer needs game because of his new found money and fame.
You fail to see the complete difference between COLD APPROACH GAME and HOT APPROACH GAME. You are only as famous as someone THINKS you are. So if I enter a set and nobody recognizes me, that is a cold approach. And whatever I say or do from scratch is my DHV campaign. If Im able to DHV the set BEFORE I approach them (billboard outside, music video, etc) that is HOT GAME and is similar to FLASH GAME when you are seen by your target ahead of your approach. Imagine a girl sees you enter with 2 10s on your arms. Then you enter the target’s set and she immediately knows you have value because you have it for those high valued girls you were with (or at least thinks you do and thats all that counts anyways). Im aware as I get deeper into HOT APPROACH GAME that people will not see the difference between that and the COLD APPROACH and will PRESUME I get my women from being famous. What, because I was on Playboy TV a couple weeks ago all of a sudden I enter a set and voila I have tail? come on, the girl didnt SEE the interview. Or if she did, she didnt notice that guy was ME. It seems to me an emotional issue with the HAVENOTS who are pissed at those who HAVE. “Mystery’s getting chicks cause he’s famous”. funny. and the first 150 girls? how did I get them? And the supermodel? Did she hear about me or know of my existance before seeing her in the same club? No. I went in and DHV’d. Thats it. And all celeb game does is allow me to show evidence in my DHV stories. “Mystery was on Playboy TV a couple weeks ago” can be an AI any wings throws to my target on my behalf whether true or not. and if true, I can show her a clip on my smart phone, just like a photo routine. famous or not in real life, if I can support my claim that I am famous to a girl then to her I am the tribal leader and bam I have a new GF (since girls are hardwired to chase after the tribal leader).
Whats so fucked is this: Style is a PUA right? So he gets on some TVs to up his game to HOT GAME and on some he kicks ass and on others he doesnt. They are TALK SHOW SETS. Thats what we do – Tommy Lee, Copperfield, Lenny Kravitz, Mystery, Neil Strauss … we play HOT GAME. And then the HATERS come out. Weird. Rather than say, “Wow one of our own is out there playing the game bigger and better than I am … you go boy!” Instead we get whining that we are cheating and suck. Dude, do you KNOW how I roll in field? Do you have any CLUE how successful I am in field? Do you know how fuckin HARD this game is? Did you know that writers and magicians ARENT generally considered cool and Style and I have to CAREFULLY and systematically DHV and anything we can do to provide evidence that we are who we say we are helps? What, YOU cant figure out how to get on the cover of a magazine or dont want to? Fine, but dont piss on other people for wanting to put together a great photo routine to quickly convey social status to a girl infield.
Two PUAs: PUA-A has PHOTOS with him and the other (PUA-B) doesnt. The PHOTOS? One of him with hot girls, another with his family, another on stage with a celeb. Perhaps even a video clip of his ex GF having her ass grabbed by his celeb friend Courtney Love. PUA-A says to PUA-B, “Dude you should put something similar together, it really conveys social value quickly and we only have 30 seconds before the target judges our value for her. And the other says, “that’s cheating! I dont have pictures like that! you suck.”
So get off your fucking chair and go build a photo routine. or get your web presence up to speed like Style is doing. He still has to go into the set just like you and systematically convey HIS LIFE. He gets to use video clips and photos just like you, only he got to it first. Dont beat him up for it. Let the PUA BE and do his thang. Learn what he did to get girls and do SIMILARLY. you dont have to be a WRITER and say you are NEIL STRAUSS. You CAN if you want write books too (as I have!) BUT … you can also use other PUA success stories to ENCOURAGE you to get YOUR SHIT TOGETHER. We need everything we can do to get the girl.
In fact, my focus lately is on ENTOURAGE DYNAMICS. Every PUA in your group should have an identity that works for you and eachother. Im the ARTIST. Style is the famous writer who wrote about me. Another PUA is the cameraman. Another the bodyguard. We do bottle service now that we all worked proactively to help or entertain others in a fair exchange of value. So Imagine a girl goes into a club and sees a guy decked out like a rockstar. she cant get to him because he is having a pleasant and fun conversation with several well dressed people, some of which are girls, in VIP. Who IS this guy? So he walks by and makes a brief comment which intrigues her. Next thing you know, she’s let past the security guy into VIP where she meets his friends. She soon discovers she’s in the A-crowd – friends with money, celebrity, success – and they talk about him with such reverence she learns he is the tribal leader. He’s hard to get, not needy, has girls in his set who seem into him, and the stories he and the others tell reveal a fucking fascinating lifestyle. Not only that, but his manager shows video of him on tv, and later another friend pulls out her mp3 player and says that a rapper wrote a song about Mystery called Mystery (that would be Herbal T’s song Mystery). The target listens to it briefly. This man is FAMOUS! Surrounded by good people, she feels comfortable enough not only to introduce her friends to the group, but to tag along and bounce to the next place: the hotel he is staying at. A prefect gentleman, he doesnt push for sex and instead cuts it early. She goes home and does a search and discovers he’s been in over a dozen magazines and has done talk shows. she reads insider stories online (thanks to a developing web presence) and due to a jealousy plotline, cant stop thinking of him – if only her female friend didnt like him so much as well. A few days later, she is hanging out with him, going to cool places, meeting cool people, learning new cool things … this woman has just met Mystery. In the future, she will also get a copy of the album, see the music videos, watch episodes of the reality show, see talk show segments on his projection sceen and see posters of his movies at bus stops and on billboards.
Anyone can do it if they WANT. If not, that’s fine. There’s always the DR. And that’s cool too.
>A new movie is coming out to expose all you geeks and every one in america will laugh at all the deebs who left their jobs, hometowns, famyily, friends, all for the sake of getting it right.
What movie? The Game? Its going to be a comedy. There are other projects that will occur around this time to make for a big splash. Hell if women find the tribal leader Jackass star what’s his name attractive for what HE does, why not for soemone who rolls cooler and has more preselection value. nuff said.
>Now their is going to be a reality show on top of the moive and books….it’s safe to say, you guys who go to bootcamps are doing it for no reason and will only feel hurt when that hot babe calls you out and says “are you trying to neg me??? Get a life internet loser, i don’t fall for that”.
This is coming from a place that just simply doesnt seem … INFIELD EXPERIENCED. Its a fear of something that simply doesnt happen in reality. If I go into a set and because of the unnatural situation that happens during bootcamps (same group of guys using same sample openers) I open a set with the same lines that another guy used on them earlier, I just say we are friends and were just discussing the topic and then stack to another one. simple solution that gets me the girl STILL. Dont be afraid of what you THINK will happen. instead, go into the set and find out for SURE. Running scared isnt how I roll. What if a target has fully read The Game and my ebook? all that will do is give you guys a commonality. You can still use the structure, just use unique material to fill the structure.
(BTW, my GF has been crying because she lost her fucking ID and needs to go back to London. Im going to just sit here and goof on the computer and WAIT until she’s gone so I can breath again. Im so stressed by her presence – she’s been complaining so much about shit lately I cant take it so I give up Ill just wait for her to leave and then get up and get things done – she is so in love with me and needy that I cant begin ANYTHING without her complaining I never spend time with her – ironic seeing as the last LTR I had felt that way about ME – quality problems … wow and now she’s outside talking to my sister and laughing again. I thought she was sick to her stomach, faker).
>Read about this guy catching two guys trying to game his girl by using the same over used, now turned into pick up lines.
see this is very unfair … look my GFs get hit on, sometimes by community guys. I dont whisper shit in my girl’s ear and AMOG the guy like that. I just tell him Im in the community, that she’s my live in GF and then we all go from there with respect for eachother. I dont get pissed if someone games my girl before they know she’s my girl. Besides, guys who still routine stack rather than microcalibrate is usually a guy who learned pickup online but was not trained in LIVE SITUATIONS with a pro PUA.
I’ll comment on the guys outing report below because … well, this is still fun for me and everyone is here shooting the shit while I geek it up with the boys on my laptop. (yes, despite the shit talk which is just emotionally exagerated due to it being text only – hence all those silly text phrases like “RSD licks anus” – dont take these things so seriously.
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http://www.mysterymethod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9167
>My girl and I, whom I’ve been with for over 2 years are sitting down and eating at Denny’s and this 20 something kid comes and says, “who lies more, men or women?”…
He stepped up to a 2 set and initiated a chat with you without offending you. Only you were IN on his game and instead of welcoming him (like Id do) you did something less than manly …
>…I quickly look at my girl and she had a disgusted look on her face ( bitch shield ) and he quickly started stacking his ON LINE ROUTINES and I start laughing because every single routine he says, I whispered in her ear what he was going to say next ( with the exception of his weird DHV story about him saving his “girl” from a street gang member who lied to her lol). I even let him neg my girl and I told her he’s doing this to lower her social value
yeah yes 20, not old enough to get into clubs and works a 2set in dennys. sounds brave and cool to me. he doesnt micro-calibrate yet and still routine stacks so he’s a newbie and getting practice under his belt. dont take it so seriously. there are others out there who WILL hit on your girl – and if he’s a PUA then either he will learn fast and be gone or will take your girl for practice, because obviously this was JUST a practice set. What, have you never practiced at a dennys when you were 20? whats so fun about this is that from his perspective is was just another botched set – a step in his education and you diss him for it. I think its brave of guys to step up to my GFs. Also, NEGS arent used to lower her self esteem but rather to simply disqualify the PUA from being considered a threat and a potential suitor. thats it. when I blow my nose in front of the girl Im not lowering her value, just conveying I have no interest (so that I may disarm the guy with her respectfully, and allow myself the opportunity to DHV and find out the relationship).
> so you can be insecure about your self to the point where you would view him as a person of higher social value than you….
When I say, “Too bad Im gay”, Im not saying it to lower her value. Im saying it to convey Im not a threat to her or the guy she’s with. And besides, the only difference between you and the guy is this: you got there FIRST.
>I know for a fact this guy knew he wasn’t going no where with us, yet, he STILL KEPT ON STACKING HIS “THE GAME” routines…
lots of guys out there need to work a fast dennys 2set for PRACTICE champ. Your GF was PRACTICE for a time in the future when a woman of particular value comes along he wont fuck up like he did in your set. To the guy who approached your set – you go boy! but routine stacking has to be ditched for micro-calibration (you know, IOIs, IODs, DHVs, DLVs, and CTs all happening at the right time … eg: you enter and IOD, DHV then CT. if she IODs to your CT, you IOD and DHV. if she IOIs to your CT (compliance test), you IOI, DHV and CT again. It happens fast and you will find yourself multiple threading as you cut yourself off to respond to any IOI or IOD you get from her. Its in my book. But stacking is a great start to personality conveying. on we plow …
>..so after the first 3 minutes I tolled him you’re using “the game” methods on my girl and you know it…he said, “kick ass, you read that too?” and attempted to give me a high five and I said nice try though….My girl looked at him pathetic, she thought it was sad for him to have to go ON LINE to understand women…she started bashing him for not being original…
yep, well worth the education. I went through a lot of failures to have hotter girls than you. And let us NOT sugar coat any of this: I have had MORE girls, HOTTER GIRLS, more socially proofed girls, and as Mystery its no secret I have money, loyal successful friends, and a big dick. There will always be a higher value male to come along. Thankfully, like I would have done, you HELPED him or at least shot the shit about it and felt sympathy for the guy and respected that he APPROACHED and is applying the basics as he learns them. If you didnt have your GF youd be in his place too: single, learning, looking, and approaching. Nice.
>Then that’s when i defended him and said, he never had Cosmo for men, like you ladies do….and we debated about it for a few minutes…then i go to the bathroom and I see the same guy with is FUZZY pink top hat(peacocking) and started to chat with him and he seemed like a koo guy he even said he was a bit embarrassed to have been caught….I told him it’s koo and told him what he could of done different to have made the conversation last longer..
Nice, very well done. Without sounding condescending, Im proud that you did that rather than simply blow him out.
>So as I leave the bathroom, i see this 23 year old dork asking my girl if he can get her opinion about “his friends jealous girlfriend”…..LOOL, i just simply walked passed him and grabbed my girls arms and left…
Understood. Much better though than having him GRAB her ARM right? Indirect is at least better than DIRECT. Now if only guys would understand its not the JEALOUS GF opener but a unique INDIRECT OPENER that is needed. My GFs get this too of course. See, if the girl thinks the guy is hitting on her BEFORE he has a chance to DHV then he’s blown out. So they need original OPENERS and unique NEGs to do this. I give examples. In the future people will be able to buy books filled with specific gambits but will also include ways to adapt them – just like magic tricks you buy at a magic store. you buy the thing, learn it, run it a few times and then once you understand it fully, create a unique spin that makes it uniquely their own.
>My girl was like what’s up with these guys asking my opinion, do I look like Dr. Phil to them?
Yeah this is the difference between guys who read The Game and go out versus guys who take a 3 day MM bootcamp and then go out. The Game only shows a BRIEF OVERVIEW and then everyone copies that exactly. That’s not we’re about but at least it gets people into the game and approaching 2sets at dennys to practice right. Direct them to bootcamps. We catch people up to speed very quickly.
>? hehehe…we had a good laugh and I said, there just having a good time, let them be…
nice. exactly. no harm in meeting people, especially when you know they are in the game cause you know they consider a woman’s comfort levels first and foremost. its ethical.
>BTW, the guy asking about the Jealous girlfriend was the other guys friend who was in the bathroom at the time…….
yeah, wings shouldnt share material like that. Style and I use different openers – he does the cologne opener and I do the black nails opener.
>Whoa these guys just read the game and started abusing it word for word……CANT WAIT FOR THE MOVIE NOW lol.
agreed. premature use of a new skill is abuse. its like learning a magic trick and performing it on your friends right away. but how else do you learn when you are going on limited info right? better he use the game’s gameplan rather than just go in and ignore the guy in the set and go direct and totally piss you off right.
>…it’s all fun though, as style said, “the game will always change”
>have you guys met any ppl sarging using MM or other well known methods while you were out?
I have yes haa, but they know Im gonna be there before I arrive usually haa. Its strange to hear people talk about their neices when they dont have any … the niece story is one of MINE (and yes I have nieces). Examples gentlemen, not word for word routines to repeat exactly as seen.
Fun post. expect more such occurances in field and know they arent going to be as uncomfortable as botching a direct approach ever. Most PUAs are smart guys, not meatheads. Its the meatheads we need to watch out for. They are like loose cannons on a deck.
Listen to A Perfect Circle. “ignore the smoke and smile”.
Love !Mystery
Mystery
>Mystery won’t tell you this, but I’ve had a standing challenge to him for an on-camera pickup contest at a STRIP CLUB. Just him, me, a table, a CHESSBOARD, and they film us playing chess while we interact with the dancers. What’s he SCARED of? What are they all so SCARED of that they can’t even debate me let alone try me out in the field? I’m pushing 40, not wealthy or even average income, way overweight, and I have an STD. Surely Mystery wouldn’t have a problem…or would he? Mystery may be the real deal, but that doesn’t mean I’m not, and are women really going to admit to responding to his method? If so, that would be useful too as a message to the AFC, so the challenge would have no losers
I have met a shitload of PUAs all over the world – hundreds upon hundreds. Ray Gordon is what we would call an idiot savant. he doesnt leave his house, doesnt have a GF, doesnt get laid on a regular basis, doesnt meet with other PUAs, has no life outside of posting, his theories are not field tested but rather somehow idealized from television. He’s one of the people on this planet that you stop making fun of because making fun of these types of people (bordering retardation – and guys you know me, Im not flaming – I just believe he is a genuine retard artifact – he can type up a storm but has no friends and no clue about social dynamics) is just plain wrong – like that Jackass movie where what’s his name joins the special olympics. you know politically incorrect humor can be “good times”, but that movie just wasnt funny. its funny when a normal guy ACTS retarded but when you have actual real life mongos it loses its humorous flavor.
Well, Ray is one of those. He types fast and a lot but has no life outside of his internet world. we once thought he may be wheelchair bound but he just lived (still lives?) with his mother and would go to strip clubs, pay money and then write a FR where it was just pure out mental masterbation. He is so mis-calibrated to reality that I filtered his posts entirely. Its just not fun to discuss game with a mongo … or a guy who is just this off his rocker. (No offense buddy).
As for a challenge – listen to how utterly stupid his challenge is. MANY guys have gamed beside me in field. I bet you I could write a list at least 100+ long of the top of my head … how about 12 to start:
style
td
papa
xanius
lance and wilder
matador (maximus)
savoy
sinn
herbal
lovedrop
mehal
DJ
veroxii
seriously i can go on … think about all the LAIR GUYS I met … Ferrari in DC and the boys there, the NYC crew, Cali bros like Craig, Rick H, Cam, Dreamweaver, Swinggcat, In10ense, and this is just off my head. If I open my contacts list I could give you a CRAZY list of guys who saw me in field.
with that all said, Ray isnt a guy who meets PUAs. others have requested meeting him and all are denied. Why would I want to meet the dude after all the prolific tripe Ive read from this man’s brain. Dont worry champ you WIN. You are better than me. (its always a good thing to let ALL the retards think they are number 1 in the special olympics). You are #1 ray.
My friends and I have $1 bets infield. I got my buck from Sinn this weekend finally for the stripper I bounced back to my hotel at the end of the big seminar shindig in vegas. She walked off for a moment and he said I was blown out and I said it was all a part of my plan (and really it was), and anyways I got my buck. but he’s won money from mey too. I still owe herbal $2 million for my thinking projectors didnt have physically spinning discs in front of the bulb. thats one IOU slip I hope gets misplaced haa.
Im the camera guy. You KNOW Ill work in front of the camera because hell I got Landi the supermodel on camera and it aired on the discovery channel for instance. I have shown many of my sets on camera – at my seminar for instance.
Im also the challenge guy. Ive been challenging people for years. I just dont want to challenge an idiot savant … until one of the other PUAs meets him and shows some video of the guy that he isnt in fact an actual greecore.
Ived dated 17 dancers now (not including the last stripper pull cause I had to let her go (though I pulled to my hotel) because my GF was pissed and in my room crying). Ive also conducted several seminars on how to attract hired guns (as bartenders – been with at least a dozen – and strippers behave similarly) and have an audio of my picking up a stripper than people find educational.
So we are talking about social proofed MYSTERY vs. some computer geek … Im currently in Vegas and end of month in LA and next month Toronto so if you’d like to meet up Ill indulge your request and meet you with cameras in a strip club. just dont taint my sets with crap talk before I begin because then thats not COLD APPROACH. Point the hottest girl out and I will get the entire interaction from MEET to SEX on camera.
I dont think people really understand just how smooth my shit is until they meet me personally. really, Im an asshole … but Im fun.
Love !Mystery
Projectors have physically spinning discs in front of the bulb?
Go figure.
Thanks for the posts, Mystery. I confess, it’s the only reason I come here. Hey, we’re all thiefs to certain extent, and it’s best to go to the source.
Regardless of where you find it.
Seems like I’m also re-inventing the wheel at times. Your micro-calibration sounds exactly what I was trying to work on, but mine was at a much cruder level.
(I’ve been playing with a rock, paper, scissors concept idea that I had lifted from Hsing-I. An ancient, internal Chinese Martial Art rooted in a philosophy based on the five elements. Essentially you have creative and destructive cycles that cycle through each other much like the aformentioned game.)
And thanks also for distinguishing Hot Game from Cold Game. I think I find myself in a Hot Game environment. Just curious, if you mix up the environments, are the results generally as abysmal as I’ve experienced?
Best,
G13
>In the end people who teach you to come up with your own personality and shit, and don’t teach you to rely on openers and Gambits are the guys who will still be worth while.
thats just plain silly talk. when you come up with your own unique opener, you then use it again and again (well youll use 5 or more openers and use them appropriately depending on all girl sets, mixed, 2sets versus 10 sets, singles, etc). there is a distinction between CANNED (in your head) and STOCK (in other PUAs heads as well).
>Don’t let anyone fool you. Mystery is good at what HE does but his methods are not necessarily the best for OTHER guys.
That too makes little sense in my reality. Have you read my book? at least chapter 3? lets discuss the M3 model if you believe it to work for ME but not for others. Was it the A3 phase that you had a problem with? Or the TB phase? Why would a method work for one person but not another, when Style and TD as current examples seem to have a legitimized reputation for now being ladies men? Have you MET ME? Have you taken a BOOTCAMP or SEMINAR WITH ME? Where are your views of this springing from.
>But like I’ve always said. Take the stuff from guys that works for you. No 1 guru or method teaches everything you need. The True Jeet-Kune-Do Idea is that instead of worshiping one method. You take the bits and pieces from each style you like and learn to perfect them.
agreed. Im STRUCTURE GUY. others fill in the structure. IM only a minor player in the ATTRIBUTE CENTERED school of thought and focus more on TECHNIQUE CENTERED (which allows you to systematically convey the attributes you need to convey to trigger hardwired attraction switches in females). Does that mean you should be a GOOD GUY? of course not. I focus on the TYPE of person I should be too. I just suggest people focus FIRST on techniques to convey the right persona instead of trying to instantly BE COOL and hope to figure out how to CONVEY THAT.
>No one is wrong, no one is right. It just matters what is useful to you.
Agreed. If a method gets not only the PUA teaching it laid with consistency as well as his students then its a working model. Juggler, MM, RSD, Badboy, SS … they all work when in the hands of a dedicated individual. Imagine doing what MM does: it incorporates working model concepts from others (my A3 phase is derived from RJ’s QUALIFYING principles … he just didnt have a STRUCTURE of WHEN exactly to use it – I still personally use the “name three things that would make me want to get to know you know” bit in A3. good stuff.
>Style demonstrate “how to PU.. actually for real:” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFrW68fa30o&search=neil%20strauss%20mtv
>To quote that god-awful CSI PUA episode…
“The ironic thing is, where you are going, you might just be the target”. Ouch!
I have become a cultural phenomenon which I think is just grand haa. I have invented a word that gets used every day by people: NEG. I am parodied on CSI Miami (though they never actually MET me so got the persona all wrong due to stereotyping that a PUA is more like a player than a loving casanova type). overall Im stoked that I can now show a clip to hot girls I get day2s with to support my cultural phenomenon claim (actually I didnt claim it, its in more than one magazine article – you know the ones read by millions – and then instantly forgotten haa).
>Mystery Method will die in less then a year.
Ill be killed by a pissed off BF of course.
>However, Jugglers method will make you a better person and will make you CREATE your OWN personality that WILL never be sold out or played out like Mystery’s is doomed to be because of their money hungry ways.
Again, have you actually BEEN to my seminar? EVERYONE is surprised to find out Im actually smarter than they expected and more sympathetic than my online persona projects. Your view is just so utterly out of my reality (and the reality of those who meet me and roll with me) that I have to say “no, Im sorry. you are wrong.” Its like hearing that the world is in fact flat. I just dont buy your thesis.
>If you want to be a good guy with the ladies for the next year or so, then by all means take Mystery’s Method…after the movie comes out and the reality TV show hits, every one in America will know what your up to and will bring you back to square one and will also put a big hole in your wallet.
why is that? because you NEGGED a girl? all high value people who dismiss others do so. I didnt INVENT it, I discovered it. Negging is what women do when they turn away from your approach. Are you going to claim she read Mystery’s book too if she indicates subtle rejection clues? You are worrying far too much over nothing. Did you not notice a couple things: how do you know about the problem the community experienced regarding people using the same openers. thats right, style’s book. did you notice that is wasnt the MM boys who had this problem but the RSD boys who didnt care about the venues we sarged at being kept clean. they’d just sarge the shit out of the place and move on without a care. You think Style and I rolled that way? You think I brought students time and again to The Standard where my ex GF worked? Come on man think. You know we have to be more calibrated than that man. It was the frat boy sarge fest mentality that created the problem. Since them RSD HAD to do something about it because they went crazy with bringing too many students to venues that were simply too small to have such a large sarge group go undetected. We give different openers to different students … its not what opener you do, so long as you do an opener. and if the guy has his own unique opener? great we dont say use ours if his does the job. they need to swap out all our shit for unique shit in the future anyways.
>However, if you want to go the natural and genuine way, then take Jugglers, it might be harder to get down, but you sure as hell can be confident that no other man is saying the same lines as you are…it will also make you more of a charming man that BOTH sexes will love.
My friends and former students claim MM made them a better person (read testimonials pages on MM site – they are a good read and some have educational merit – FRs especially). A focus on not just relationships but health and wealth balances out your life. I was broke as all hell before focusing a fair amount of time on my financial goals. youre polarized views just dont jive with so many people – its like you didnt read my book at all or something.
>I’ll be back on here after the reality show hits and will say “i told you so” to rub it in. Don’t waste your money on Mystery method workshops or bootcamps.
Have you met me to conclude that? Which bootcamp did you take? Let me explain to you all that the world is NOT going to end. Its going to CHANGE yes, but ultimately it will allow you to connect with women IF YOU ARE GOOD. if you suck at social dynamics, then youll need to learn by trial and error – but then thats exactly what we have to do as it is so … so what? There will be reality shows revealing not only bad pickup (which is what most of them are about) but actual SMOOTH pickup. It is a fucking PRIVILEDGE to be picked up by me, lets not minch words here. Its THAT entertaining, tight and emotionally evoking when done right. Did anyone SEE me pickup LANDI on discovery channel? Your fears of an uncertain future are just … well, silly.
>Every thing you will need to learn will be shown on VH1′s Reality show, so DON’T pay when it’s gonna be FREE.
Just like reading Style’s book, it will only encourage you to train with others. it cant possibly reveal everything you need to know. Why train with Bruce Lee when you can watch him take on enemies on The Green Hornet and learn everything he has to offer there. Its just silly scaredycat talk.
But now with that said, I AGREE with you on one thing: yeah man, teaching PU tactics to girls and then sarging them with those very tactics will change the game. Ive already done years of experiments regarding this so thats why Im not worried anymore … but before I found out you can still get her even when she KNOWS your game, I too was on the “we need to keep it all secret” bandwagon. Ive been teaching this and helping guys for years. I love the game. I promise you all I wont fuck things up for you. I will be much more STRUCTURE centered and there will be very few actual ROUTINES that get demo’d. Dont use the demos we use, but use other stories to complete similar objectives STRUCTURE WISE.
Besides, Im building bigger things than just PU stuff. Ill raise my social value enough so that if you introduce your GF to me after a show Ill raise your value for knowing me and dont worry I wont steal your girl. If Will Smith or David Copperfield is your buddy and you intro your GF to either, you wont lose your girl to them. You’ll be considered higher value BY your GF for having high value friends. People seem to forget that a girl will get as much value from aligning with the tribal leader’s friends as with the tribal leader himself. ENTOURAGE DYNAMICS are where Im focusing on now.
>Juggler is the BEST there is and he is the ONLY “guru” to keep his girlfriend for this long.
No doubt he’s a good person as is every instructor in MM. Sinn doesnt WANT an LTR. I do. Ive had LTRs myself. The Katia girl in The Game remember was GIVEN to Herbal (and then it blind sided me when I discovered it triggered grieving jealousy – I mean come on Im MYSTERY how could that happen? turns out Im human and thats how things go – im not a special snowflake – my emotional circuits are the same as yours – UBIQUITOUS). In other words, we EXPERIMENTED and fucked around with our relationships. We lived in PH for crying out loud haa. We didnt WANT NORMAL. We wanted THREESOMES. But I certainly enjoy my LTRs as long as I want. Im the one who ends them … you know … by fucking around when things get lame and allowing myself to get caught just to experience change. Five girls now have asked me to give them a baby. That’s pretty cool huh. Its one thing to get a # or a kiss or a bj or a fuck or even a move in. but a baby with you. that’s validating … and scary haa.
>Mystery and style both have girls that end up leaving them because they rely on scripts and magic to keep their attention.
just silly talk. Style and I NEVER lost girls. If you met me you’d learn quickly that I am a talker. None stop and brilliant stuff. Four years wouldnt run me dry. Anyone who met me would know this just doesnt jive with reality. This problem is a problem only SOCIAL ROBOTS have. Im not one of them and I can vouch for Style and tell you he is the most interesting guy a girl could talk to … forever interesting.
>Learn to be natural and not rely on gimmicks and dancing monkey magic tricks.
silly talk.
>be a FUCKING REAL MAN and use your mouth to make her spread her legs.
more silly talk. you obviously have NEVER seen me roll. You havent seen the caliber of girls Ive dated, how I respond to people in groups and have no clue what GOOD MEANS. Ill prove this all to you in my reality show. This should not only answer a lot of questions, but create a bustling controversy where people will say shit like, “he must be queer” (copperfield got that when he dated a supermodel – he’s not guy trust me).
>I vouch for the community to go the juggler route because you will NEVER EVER worry about a MOVIE or a reality TV SHOW selling your method out because it’s YOUR method, you make it and it makes you a smooth natural talker.
Method is STRUCTURE. step by step. It seems the issue isnt in whether MM or Juggler advice works. its whether or not you can use it once it gets famous. Ill ensure you dont lose your GF when she sees the show ok? man people fear loss so much when its all in their heads.
>Style demonstrate “how to PU.. actually for real:” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFrW68fa30o&search=neil%20strauss%20mtv
>Yep, we already talked about how much of a dweeb Style made of himself in that clip.
Agreed it was a botched talk show set IMHO. We botch sets sometimes. He’s NEW to talk show game. so am I. I did Playboy TV a little while ago and in rehearsal I came in all wrong and … wasnt LIKABLE. Thankfully I smartened up when we went live (thank GOD for rehearsal) and came off cool. Ill get it from them and youtube it when I can. Ill use it on my smartphone in set too likely. Or better, have my PUA buddy be my MANAGER and show it off HIS smartphone. Nice. He can AI me when I let him speak to her for a minute while I disarm other obstacles in her set that we invite to our VIP table.
>Lets not waste any more time on this guy.
silly talk. Style is gret in field. AND … he admits being in his LTR has limited his game playing dramatically. Dont throw the baby out with the bathwater. Sometimes we botch sets man and yes it was a sucky set. But his Jessica Alba one was pretty tight and it takes guts to climb up into the million-sets. He’ll get better. Each one is a hard fast bone crunching education. He wont fuck up like that again. He’s a brilliant guy with a new developing skillset: talk show game. Id personally like to MASTER them because while scary, they are exciting and rewarding and you get to meet cool people there – and you get social proof up the WAZOO.
>Like OH MY GOD mystery, i can’t believe you hang with him. Does he always act nerdy like that or is he pretending??? *rolling my eye* Nerds hang out with nerds.
Its strange how an intellectual (style and I convey this I believe) is a nerd when he botches a set but when we get the girl (you know, like a playboy model or supermodel or rockstar GF) he’s now a superfly genius. Agreed his talk show segment bit the bag but some of his others I was envious of. I didnt really like my Roseanne Show segment but I still get props for doing it and being able to show girls an edited clip for DHV purposes so Im glad overall that I did it. we need to learn this shit somehow man. I did an interview for the news in Scottsdale and believe I did ok but wont know til I get the footage. Learn and grow, learn and grow. Style is only going to become BIGGER and BIGGER. some projects will hit while others tank. we minimize the failures and bank on the successes – its the best we can do. Remember where Style is at now … a lonely writer becomes a talk show quest. that’s a fuckin’ stride. He is developing his skillset very quickly. when was the last time YOU did a million-set? Are Style and I the only ones? We’re gaming guys – its scary and fun.
>Pshhhhhhh give me a break, I’m sick of these two. Every one is buying their crap that they can download on Limewire for free.
isnt it interesting that they are.
>Mystery’s Method won’t be around in two years.
its been here for 13 years so far. the book will be published, the reality show, the movies… naw itll be around a while longer. I dont sell out former students by revealing some of the method to the masses. it will only be a TASTE that is revealed. Stop fearing the future. The world will NOT END.
>Every one using it is doing so in vain. The movie, the reality shows, the books, they’re all going to make it a standard PUA routine that creeps and nerds like style only use.
the world will NOT end.
>And anyone using it will automatically DLV because the media has an image of Styles nasally, wimpy vocal cords.
silly talk.
>Style is a liar, his girl cheated on him with a rich famous guy and he lied on here saying she was still with him, but low and behold she was sucking Robbie Williams uncircumcised cock.
Im not one to talk about personal stuff in a public forum (not because Im hiding something from you guys but rather from ex GFs of his) but I can tell you women are NOT one of Style’s problems (well save for quality problems that come with them). Man I have a LOT of info in my head about this all that would make you say, “Sorry I had no clue.” Im not protecting HIM but rather the feelings of others. Trust me dude, you would wish you were him for a day. And the RW thing … you dont have it quite right. But hey … bringing up his name with his GF is a great DHV.
I dated a girl in LA who used to date Keanu Reeves and Mathew Maconohey. In fact when Mathew and I met in Vegas we had commonalities. Not only is that a DHV spike, but a real one. He’s got some too. Do YOU?! Live life. get out. meet people. get into trouble. try. fail. succeeed. learn. build something. travel. write a book. get on a talk show. jump out of an airplane. scuba dive off the great barrier reef (style and I did that). Style’s Lisa issues are quality problems. He’s not hurting is all I can reveal.
>Mystery’s ex-girlfriend had sex with his good FRIEND while they were a couple( whoa, some gurus they are).
I gave her to him. head over to http://www.betterthanyourboyfriend.com to read Herbal’s side. He even wrote a song called Mystery. Nice. I never said Im a great BF. I said Im a great PUA. pointing out a breakup isnt exactly the way to bring down a PUA. Ive had much more emotional quality problems – women are a trip man, or … didnt you know? my life is a roller coaster of emotions. women will do that to ya.
>Every day another MM sucker is sucked in to pay thousands of dollars to do routines that are being mainstreamed. Mystery knows it, his shit is not gonna be here. After the MOVIE comes out, every hot babe in America will know why your ugly ass is “neging” her.
see girls will have to figure out whether the guy is ACTING like an alphamale or IS one. lets allow the girls to judge for themselves because NEGGING wasnt INVENTED it was DISCOVERED. Girls NEG. You know that right? And all we do it get to it before she does. You dont understand the beauty of humanity’s courtship rituals. Read Chapter 3 of the book and then throw rocks at specific phases rather than cry out in fear of some unknown future. the world is NOT going to end.
>And every big buff dude will know what an “Amog” is and PUA’s will soon know the value of a good dentist.
just silly talk. stop being so afraid.
>The time is now, change your methods and stop feeding mystery, rsd, DYD, money..all their products are free on the Internet. .Hell, you can learn Mystery’s Method better on his forum than you can watching his DVD’s…
I am glad you are taking an interest though.
I have been known to pirate stuff too. I dont anymore though because Im too high profile and make enough money to not have to steal, hell I even BUY DVDs now. Supertroopers. Silly fun fun flick.
>stop spending and wasting money on MM products, they will be for 9$ at your local movie theater in less than a year and half.
I saw Bruce Lee in a movie once. Cancel your martial arts training memberships everyone. silly talk.
>…or you have cable you can wait six months for the reality show to hit on VH1.
good point. why learn when you can wait and see a reality show of others living the lifestyle you wish you lived. man, are you a fucking teenager or something? your comments make you appear so … inexperienced.
>yes, the movie will ruin the game for all of you still using these methods.
wow, complete tripe. Its a COMEDY! only the tip of the iceburg will be revealed. enough to get people LEARNING. And some girls WILL learn everything there is to know … as much as YOU know about the PU. And that is GOOD. If can still game them I have discovered. They work EMOTIONALLY not LOGICALLY.
>Soon you all will be flocking down to experience my Bachelor dream tours. I won’t show you canned material, so come on down.
and then there will be a news story in the DR about how American’s come down and make empty promises that the girl will be taken to America if the guy gets to try them out FIRST, and the girls will protect themselves… and the world WILL END! The only controversy that the news finds fascinating with MM is that one can LEARN this from another and it WORKS. Will a news story reveal the TWG? Well its similar to Romanian protitution rings so it is of interest … especially if the girls learn they will NEVER get to America – but at the same time what Elvis is doing is NOT prostitution. its NOT illegal and works in the DR. how many girls watch the news anyway.
Its amazing that ALL the JACKASS guys get laid like rockstars for puking on camera to millions. Corey Feldman still gets pussy. So does OJ I hear. Gentlemen, you WILL survive this … and Elvis, you’re just being a silly billy for shits and giggles.
… and now I have my GF who is officially now my EX-GF (phone call crap just now) so I cant continue replying and must now pickup my fucking car. aaaaah women.
>The king was has been using his own material for 40 years. You to can learn to the true way to pick up dominican girls, I can show you.
Posted by: Elvis Preston king | Apr 20, 2006 1:36:28 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Very true son. That’s some good shit.
All the losers he has conned into buying his DVDs, and bootcamps must be livid.
Style the little shit is mainstreaming it and making PU look fucking CREEPY. everyone has a v. bad image of it because of that semetic looking ass wipe
>i took your stupid ass seminar and you fucking insulted me the first day, talked all the time how great you are and told me i’ll never get laid because of my career choice. so FU!!!
>Posted by: fu mystery | Apr 20, 2006
If you could kindly email me with your name so I may see if you are on the student list along with the dates of the seminar, we may discuss. for now this is just text written by an RSD crewmember. It doesnt seem like something I am known for doing.
>I stopped releasing most of my new theory in 2001 (one book in 2004), because I could see what happens: I said something in 1998, and my competitors lie about me and deflect, only to have them or their friends publish it in 2000 or 2001 (or now 2006), and what they used to call…
Ray, you are NOT a PUA. Nobody in the community has ever MET you nevermind watched you work a set. I will upload video footage of me gaming a girl if you do, fair?
>At the time, I didn’t know what to do: I could stop publishing new theory and this would cause others to grab the spotlight …
what NEW THEORY? you dont leave the house Ray – to discredit Ray Gordon INSTANTLY, simply go to http://www.fastseduction.com and search for posts by him and read everyone else’s replies. Youll learn quickly that this man has been around since the original ASF days and has been widely discredited. there, its been said. do your search and he will quickly be off your radar as anything more than NOISE from what many have called, “The Village Idiot”.
>I don’t like being analytical when I’m picking up chicks. If I call myself a “player”, it’s more like I’m playing the numbers game of picking up women, and having fun. “Artist” just seems to serious to me.
thats fair. I stear clear of the numbers game so I have CHOICE. I want to approach and WIN the girl (everyone if possible) and THEN CHOOSE whether I see her again or not. That way I practice attraction and have options. 545.
OK now Im out. L8R G8Rs. She’s bringing my car over now.
Love !Mystery
so…..Mystery…..
Just how big is your dick?