Is Tyler Durden A Fake?
February 27, 2006 by Thundercat
Filed under Drama & Rumors
I know there are a lot of people out there who think I’m ragging on Real Social Dynamics just for the fun of it, but that’s not really the case. I’ve actually been getting contacted a great deal by lots of different people with gripes about RSD, most of which I don’t really bother to post.
But occasionally, I get a post that’s really thought provoking, and it just so happens this one is right up there.
Semicond writes:
Hey TC,Forgive the length of this email, I know you probably get a lot, but hopefully you’ll find this is worthy of being published on your blog.
I’ve been a lurker in the community for many years now. I’m just a regular dude, don’t really take workshops or go to seminars or anything like that. I just like to read the mASF message boards a lot.
And I’ve noticed something I wanted to share with everyone.
I remember back in the days when Tyler Durder started posting on mASF. It was really cool to see a guy with a new perspective on stuff kind of rise through the ranks with his thoughts and ideas.
And he had some great posts, like the spastic rambling series. There was a time there where Tyler really seemed to be innovating a lot of cool theories and ideas.
But recently, a lot of his posts have lost that excitement and revolutionary quality. And by recently, I mean in the last year or so.
So I started going through a lot of the posts on mASF archive around the time period where TD was posting all his great stuff, and realized this was around the time of Project Hollywood, where TD was living with all those big time PUAs like Mystery and Style.
After reading Style’s book, I got the idea that TD was also traveling around and meeting with really good PUAs at this time as well.
But ever since Project Hollywood ended, and the RSD guys have been ostricized by the big time guys, TD’s posts have gone down hill, which leads me to believe that most of the really cool stuff Tyler "developed" and posted about in the good old days were really concepts and ideas he took from much better pick up artists and re-wrote to make it look like he came up with it.
I’m not making this claim lightly. If you look at some of TD’s old posts, and compare them to his recent posts, you’ll see big differences.
In the old posts, he had some really interesting core ideas which he went on to theorise on and test out.
In his new posts, it’s more like he’s got the same old ideas which he tries to drag out into something new. A lot of his posts make me feel like I’m reading a term paper where he’s trying to hide the fact he has no new ideas with a bunch of psychobable writing.
So I want to pose this question…
Do you think Tyler was ever really that great of a PUA? Or was he just a really smart keyboard jockey who stole his best stuff from better PUAs like Mystery and Sytle?
Thanks for your time.
Semicond
Well, I’d be lying if I said this wasn’t a provocative email. It is true that Tyler’s best stuff came when he was living with Mystery and Style in Project Hollywood, and when he was traveling around the world meeting the great PUAs from Mystery’s Lounge.
And it’s also true that his posts since Project Hollywood imploded have been pretty lackluster.
There’s been a lot of controversy over TD’s skill level ever since he appeared on the scene. I remember the big threads on Mystery’s Lounge about whether Tyler was a fake or not. This is stuff that wasn’t viewable by anyone but the people on the Lounge, but there were a great many people who knew Tyler who thought he was full of shit.
Eventually, his friends outweighed his enemies, so he was accepted into the fold. But you can’t deny that sometimes Tyler stretches the truth when it comes to his own prowess as a ladies man.
TD has been caught in a few fibs, such as him saying he can "open any set," or claiming the girls he sarges are 9s and 10s when in reality they were more like 6s and 7s.
And for everyone who’s read The Game, you know TD is really insecure, defensive, and manipulative.
I’ve even had eye-witnesses come forward and tell me that TD had a whole "Gay" routine worked out with wingmen where him and his wingman would actually MAKE OUT with each other in front of girls to try and get the girls to make out with each other.
(If that’s the kind of innovation TD is pioneering, I think I’ll stick to the old stuff)
So there’s a lot of shady stuff going on with TD, and if he really did get his best concepts from better PUAs like Mystery and Style, well… I can’t say I’d be surprized.
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haha I heard gunwitch hides from the community because he is overweight too… or was it because he can’t pick up hot girls? well at least he gets HB4s
man pick up is becomming so commercial. Style, Thundercat, and Gunwitch are all in bed together trying to make money off us chumps…
I think it’s quite obvious that TC tries to neg TD hardcore! In the beginning he was amazed by Tyler big time and simply fell in love!
Some folks say he attended those workshops etc. just to be near Tyler, but as he is just a 4.28 he had no chance!
Now he attempts to seduce TD by Flame-negging, he even offered his gay-routine to lay him!
Doesn’t that sound like one-itis?
Get over it, Tyler ain’t gay, sorry TC!
And Gunwitch, don’t complain about people having gay thoughts when your supressed homosexuality shine through every post of yours!
I am so glad not being in the US right now as you have busted thousends of marines and professipnal fighters! HA! PFFF!
Greets from ABU GHRAIB
Guys, look what I dug out of the archive: (just goes to show you thundurr isn’t as truthful as he claims):
Date Posted: 2003/06/05 01:54:00 AM EDT
Author: Thunderscat
Subject: L.A. crazy
“…after hanging out with Tyler, we went back to Guns place and got into a little 2-on-1 action. Guys, let me tell you from firsthand experience: GUN IS A MASTER at pounding dudes in the ass. He’s pioneering his own techniques (I can’t repeat them here), but let’s just say your shithole will never get reamed as good as when this steroid-badass gets ahold of ya.
We had Tyler squat on an orange construction cone while whistling dixie and, with his squeaky voice, it sounded great.
We decided to have Mystery over to pop some of his seroquel pills that he takes for schizophrenia and picked up some hotties. Gun took the fat chick, tyler opened 97 sets but didn’t close, Mystery did a cute little magic show with rabbits and glitter while I pounded my dick over by the bar.
All in all, a GREAT TIME and money WELL SPENT.”
Hey like I said ya want me to come and pop your obsessed can, with no lube or reach around I have to add, this ain’t no pleasure cruise motherfucker, gimme your adress.
Otherwise being someone impersonated me I will say this is my last post in this thread, and perhaps on this blog period.
Anyone posting as gunwitch after me will be an imposter.
Much like those who stick up for RSD will be 3 or 4 guys with 15 different names.
Called registration TC, keeps shit like this from happening.
Hating on TylerDurden…
So hot right now!
This post is the biggest bullshit i have ever read. it is written by a kj.
tyler durden has so fucking many sets under his belt. read his archive. it is fucking great. this guy brought PU further than most of the other guys, except mystery.
his recent post are not that frequent, but they are still gold.
you are such a looser thundercat for posting obvious bullshit. get a life and try to get laid. common, you know that tyler has better game than you.
it is true, that tyler came from a really socially retarded place. so what? isn’t it great, that he came to where he is now? and that he is sharing his wisdom with us?
what you are demonstrating is pure hate, which is one of the biggest singns of weakness.
fuck off, thundercat.
“Folks, FUCK that baldheaded backstabber Style and his cheap propaganda.
He has taken SO MUCH from the community and now he’s making a fucking movie, but has he given a fraction of what he’s taken back? I believe it’s the opposite; the way the community was pictured in the book was disgraceful. I bet the movie will be even more disgraceful. Although TD is not a saint, he has at least given a million times more back than Style.
Fuck the annihaliation method. ”
WORD
TC, your webpage sucks. I used to like it and read it a lot, but nowadays its full of useless crap.
Hey Thunderthighs, look like a muncheechee on weight gainer!
I’ve heard you’re dating a black man.
Gunwitch wrote: “Hey like I said ya want me to come and pop your obsessed can, with no lube or reach around I have to add, this ain’t no pleasure cruise motherfucker, gimme your adress.
Otherwise being someone impersonated me I will say this is my last post in this thread, and perhaps on this blog period.
Anyone posting as gunwitch after me will be an imposter.
Much like those who stick up for RSD will be 3 or 4 guys with 15 different names.
Called registration TC, keeps shit like this from happening.”
HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS
“Hey like I said ya want me to come and pop your obsessed can, with no lube or reach around I have to add, this ain’t no pleasure cruise motherfucker, gimme your adress.”
Sure learn to spell first you inebriated clown
One question TC: If Style was asked if you have game, would he say yes or no?
TD had game. I am sure he still has enough to blow you out of the water.
Great times!
Wow this blog turned into a pile of shite fast!
And why the hell is this called a friggin “lair” anyway?
Looks like the only lair thunderjew is visiting lately is Style’s can!
Don’t question or criticize TD. He’ll sick his cult on you.
http://www.fastseduction.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?action=retrieve&grp=3&mn=1069235515114804
“>Oh yay, are we getting back to our every 3 month “Does TD get laid” threads?
For what it’s worth, I can vouch for this. He did an awesome PU of a
restaurant hostess and !closed her that same night when we were last
together. Very money. And was kind enough to set me up with her
roomate, who I still see.”
Style
Why doesnt thunderfag reply?
Hey Thundercat,
What’s with new year resolution! This post is GARBAGE and you are SPREADING NEGATIVITY!
Get on with your life instead of annoying other people! Post real content, like the new stuff with Style.
We know that you don’t like TD already.
Hey, guys. BumStitch here.
Personally, I’ve seen Tyler Turden open sets like ThundurFat opens his mouth for Style’s load.
Tyler Turden is keeping it real. Real gay, that is.
It’s hard to know what’s tigher: my game or Tyler’s winking asshole.
Guys, you can download my book for free in the internet and then you can print it out and wipe your ass with it.
personally i dont believe there is a semicond.
“He has taken SO MUCH from the community and now he’s making a fucking movie, but has he given a fraction of what he’s taken back? I believe it’s the opposite; the way the community was pictured in the book was disgraceful. I bet the movie will be even more disgraceful. Although TD is not a saint, he has at least given a million times more back than Style.”
Of course $tale is all about money…leech off the community then diss it to make it digestable for soceity and his crummy little movie “swingers” andante…six months after the movie is released he will dump leveridge…she is a pawn in his scheming plans at soceital acceptance…
TD has given a ton of material FOR FREE …AMOging for example…as well as routine construction (although that was a mystery thing at first) I had seen reframing first done really well by Mark Cunningham, but he never really explained it..TD did and made it available to the masses..like many of the gurus, you might not want to hang with the guy but he has made quite the contribution…
“I’ve even had eye-witnesses come forward and tell me that TD had a whole “Gay” routine worked out with wingmen where him and his wingman would actually MAKE OUT with each other in front of girls to try and get the girls to make out with each other.”
Whats wrong with that?
God this is getting ugly. Can’t you guys stay positively focused and stop knocking and putting down others?
Really, I’m disgusted….
RJ
93/93
Why are so many people on Tyler’s cock or trying to cut it off? This isn’t really what I’d call news: news would be something about China’s economy or Russia’s political situation, or when the movie about ‘The Game’ is coming out.
I think this site is deteriorating into regular flame-fests with no clam-bake, just a lot of sausage.
Thundercat,
Your blog is becoming a festering, pustule of negativity and flaming. I took this post from somewhere else and I think you would do well to read it. It might help you out a little when you post topics from now on.
The post was by a guy named, of all things, Thundercat.
He goes on at the end of his post:
TrackBack URL for this entry:
http://www.typepad.com/t/trackback/4030448
Do you know anything about this other Thundercat? I’m wondering if someone hijacked your blog or something for a day or two. Identity Theft is considered illegal, but Im not sure if that applys to online nicknames. Hope you get this straightened out.
http://www.thundercatseductionlair.com/2006/01/negativity.html
The proper url for the post in case you are interested…
“…after hanging out with Tyler, we went back to Guns place and got into a little 2-on-1 action. Guys, let me tell you from firsthand experience: GUN IS A MASTER at pounding dudes in the ass. He’s pioneering his own techniques (I can’t repeat them here), but let’s just say your shithole will never get reamed as good as when this steroid-badass gets ahold of ya.
We had Tyler squat on an orange construction cone while whistling dixie and, with his squeaky voice, it sounded great. ”
I knew it!!!!!!
I’m laughing my ass of so hard its ridiculous!
more of this! Please!
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAhAAAAAAAAA
So much for class.
The thing is: there is no social reality. Tyler wrote down what HE experienced. Of course if someone has a big ego, things will look MUCH more positive in that person’s eyes.
6s turn into 9s.
Opening a set, turns into: ‘opening the ultimate set of all times’.
A dull techniques turns into: ‘MONEY MONEY KEY KEY KEY TECHNIQUE!!’
Current emotions and moods distort reality. Your own, and the social reality outside of you. Especially when TD started out, he had a twisted self-image, like so many others just starting out(and probably he still has).
Based on that twisted and distorted self-image he makes posts and claims filtered threw his emotions, moods, and interpretations of his social successes(and failures/setbacks). That things turn out different than what other people see or hear is only natural. Different interpretation, different sensory experience, different contrasts, etc.
Still, I don’t like the guy
I occasionally read ASF to look for some practical wisdom. Here’s something I noticed: He now claims that it is the PROCESS that made him the man he is today. Yet, it is obviously clear he was all about OUTCOME, OUTCOME, LAYRATE, OUTCOME, EFFECIENY, OUTCOME, CLOSE THE DEAL, OUTCOME.
Does he do this on purpose? I don’t know. Maybe he lives in a constant state of self-denial and twists the facts according to how it fits his twisted ideal image of himself, or maybe he really has some ulterior motives. Who knows.
Anyway, when I read TD, I feel bad vibrations. There are much more insightful people to learn from, imo.
I decided to do a bit of research again out of pure curiosity and found out something interesting. As it turns out TD has only 1 LR on asf that is his own. And the LR does not even go into any details.
Date Posted: 2002/11/01 04:29:00 AM EST
Author: TylerDurden
Subject: Halloween fuckup, then LR
“Now the LR:
I was about to type this up, but I’m going to bed and its too cut and dried
since it was just capitalizing on an old sarge I flaked on. Basically what
happened was I saw an old sarge on the street that I’d flaked on before, and
roll up on her and get REAL aggressive with her.
She’s got an orbiter, who she ditches, and we roll back to her place after
eating some donuts at Tim Hortons. End of story, it was nice. All the
techniques were done previously during the initial pickup a few weeks ago, were
pretty cool, and are posted on mASF.
Anyway I guess that’s what’s nice about sarging all the time, since stuff like
that will often happen.”
Hmmmm….I don’t know man. I mean i know that Mystery only posts his LRs on Mystery’s Lounge, so can anyone that is in Mystery’s Lounge vouche for him. I mean to be honest I’m just curious and would like to know because it has me intrigued.
I also found this posted by him in the sex forum.
Date Posted: 2003/11/21 04:37:00 AM EST
Author: TylerDurden
Subject: FB wants bareback, but…
“Trojan Supra are STUPID tight. Sickboy007 and I laid these two girls that we
pulled on a workshop back to the Holiday Inn, and we both tried them at the
same time, and I was bitching to him from across the room while I was with my
chick “These are too fucking tight!” and he’s like “I KNOW!” They were so
tight, I thought I was putting it on backwards at first, because it wouldn’t
roll on. The girls were sweethearts though, so they were patient.
The other polyeurathane condomns, Avanti, fucking BREAK!
First I had one break on me, and thought it was just bad luck because I was
rough pretty rough. But then I had another one break on me a week later with a
different girl, and said forget that shit. They weren’t even that great,
though not bad.
Do what my #1 super-fan zxy says and get Inspirals. They’re hard to find, but
very good.
Also if its a fuckbuddy, forget it. Use condoms. Trust me, girls lie lie lie.
Never trust a girl under any circumstances, they have PROGRAMMING WALLS and
they are BUILT to lie, because they’ve been exposed to so much male pressure
for sex that they’ve learned to lie to guys as a way of life. It’s actually
the fault of men that they’ve been forced to learn this skill, but they have it
nonetheless, and once someone has gone past the barrier of being able to lie
without remorse, they can never go back.
Oh yeah, although I wasn’t a fan of the 2 poly-condoms I tried, I have no doubt
they’re fine for STDs. There is no way in hell that HIV is getting through one
of those things. Check the real HIV stats on the ‘net (IOW, look at a bunch of
sources), for female to male transmission during sex (anything non-anal).
The main reason we use condoms is more for herpes prevention (which they help
alot), and to prevent other treatable shit that could come up.
-TD”
I’ve seen some other posts with him talking about condoms. I know a lot of people that b.s. about sex and know he could be making up a lot of shit (especially since I used to be that way before I joined the community). Yet at the same time he does fill in some details that sound way too technical to not be pretty extensive knowledge in the subject. So all I can say is that we need someone from Mystery’s lounge to fill us in on the whole story. I can’t claim to know the truth nor make inferences without more evidence. This is just what I found, so I decided to share it.
-Whiplash
Thundercat. I am gonna bed you over, spread your sausage pork legs wide, then cum in you till you explode. You hideous mongolian shit stain.
By the way, I took your mum up the ass and she squealed like a pig. Your retarded dad dribbled with delight while he jerked off.
All i have to say is this is like Dave chapelle’s, “Player Haters Ball”.
-”Hate!, Hate!, Hate!”
lol
- Don WonTon
shut the fuck up don won ton, you retarded son of a bitch. Keep your shit comments and your shit name to youself
P.S do you like egg fried rice and dim sum?
Hey Thundy,
You’ve been in the community for eternity and you ain’t shit. Take a look at yourself. You’re a fucking failure. If style wasn’t here, you would still have major approach anxiety, even after 6 years. I lost my approach anxiety after a month of sarging. Fucking looser
Well now beast, i believe you just acted your age on that one. What was it like 13? Ahh thats okay though, your age is about to pass your IQ. Nice racist remarks. Doesn’t bother me any. I’ve heard them all. So your name is beast eh? that the name the boys gave you in prison? Just do us all a favor, unplug your computer… now.
–Don Won
TC, show us some positive stuff man.
This is the kind of CRAP I mean.Your not makeing him look good at all.I wonder what Tyler think’s about this?Seriously it would be good to hear from him.Like I saide “class”.Racist remark’s are a sighn of NO CLASS WHAT SO EVER!!!When I think of a PUA I think James Bond,Tony Stark(IRON MAN)David Coverdale in his prime.Tom Cruise in TOP GUN or M.I.2,Harrison Ford in the Temple Of DOOM or even Michael Keaton in BAT MAN FOR CHRST’S SAKE.You guy’s act like a bunch of high school kid’s.I really hope you’r not the quote unquote RSD cult that was referd to earlier.If you are you guy’s are looking worse and worse per comment.
Guys,
Just got finished reading “The Game”. Style really paints TD in a very negative way. Not sure how much is true. I took a Mystery worksop back in early ’04 and remember meeting Style, TD, Mystery, Papa back in the mansion…happier days. Anyways, I saw TD open multiple sets of hot girls and do AMOG tactics (no one can deny he invented those).
My main beef with Style’s book (and the upcoming movie to be directed by Chris Weiz of American Pie fame) is that it has/will totally destroy all the tried and true tactics of the community. After the movie comes out try going up to a HB in and saying “can i get a female opinion on something”…see what happens then. Plus, a ton of lame newbies have come and infected what used to be a relatively secret community.
This remind this old-timer of the National Lampoon’s letters page(which the writers all made up) back in the 70′s with famous politicians and actors “confessing” their “sin”s.
HILARIOUS.
RJ
93/93
P.S. Where did someone hear that Chris Weiz will direct the “movie”? I only heard the script was greenlighted to be written, not that a movie was in production or pre-production.
RJ
By the way, I love cock.
RJ
lol
That last comment did not come from me.
Hey guys did you see that?
I said “come”
…as in “cum”, get it?
I love NLP!
…but not as much as i love cock ofcourse.
Ok, I’m back one last time!
Give me your address and I’ll shove all this hatin up your bum!
BTW: good news, a printed version of the Gunwitch methofd is coming out real soon! By special request it will be printed on toilet paper!
The only thing RJ and myself have in common is our love for cock and cum, but you should know thgis by now!
TD’s posts are better than ever at the moment. You need to have a deeper understanding of the game to really respect them though.
What the fuck is going on with seduction community???
Here, in Russia, people just doing the same thing – discussing in the internet who is the PUA and who is asshole all the time.
I want to say you one thing – THE FIELD SHOWS!
Business is business, but don’t forget that pickup – it is not about “how to make big money” or “how to show people that you are better then you are” , it about “how to seduce beautiful girls”
With respect to TD,
Jar ( go-pickup.ru)
OK now this is full of shit.
Saying TD’s posts are not as good as before is like saying no one’s post is as good as before.
Does Mystery write much more amazing stuff than he used to?? Does anyone else from before??
I don’t mind fair posts but this semicond rant letter isnt fair at all.
This TD guy actually has a book to write.
In the beginning there were posts about how to PU and such. So of course the early posts will be the most numerous and with more information.
semicond says he justs likes reading and comes with a theory all because he thinks MR TD is sooooo great that he should be writing the most amazing shit all the time.And that he has to be the one to invent everything in the universe.
Thats like me sending u a letter saying i think i think Mystery is a fake cause i realized there was something he didnt invent or that he has stopped posting amazing posts every day.
Come on. Use your brains for a bit. Half the gurus dont even bother to post.
nothing like a bunch of RSD paid guys or even themselves to come here and defend their honor…
I’m sure that the Tyler Durden in “the Game” is not real, but it must have more than one truth in there. I bet he’s a robotic copycat with 0 personality that only can talk about game. I bet too that he did a lot of shit in the project hollywood mansion, cuz the fact is mystery left it and he was TD’s teacher and idol. I guess that RSD as a company did help many guys and that some of their workshops seminars and bootcamps were indeed a success, but I bet TD was greedy and weird enough to drive all the big shots in that time away from him…playboyLA, dreamweaver, the one, sickboy, twenty six…etc,etc.
Now in the present time, I do think that their bootcamps and workshops suck, I think guys like jlaix that talk big don’t walk the talk (chessclub his “hot girlfriend” was fucking plain like a 6), I think most of the instructors currently teaching in RSD suck.
TD has game? I bet… I think is good enough to run game on girls and get them to the comfort stage or even the kiss, do I think he gets laid much? No, I think he isn’t sexual confident and from some of his FRs he seems to chicken out, that or weirds the shit out off the girl.
I think too he isn’t a bad teacher and he did contribute a lot to this community, I bet it was repackaged and the stuff he came out with was not original but at least he did it. So props on that.
I know I won’t take one of his seminars,workshops or bootcamps. I’m not sure that their indeed shit and I doubt that you will gain nothing from it, but why take the risk when a good amount of money is at stake and when there are other guys in the market that are the future in this community (natural game)with great reviews (none of them “They ripped me off”) like charisma sciences (juggler), real social impact (they have a different name now, run by woodhaven and dimitri) and fidentia if they hadn’t split up.
I bet those ones do care very much about your success and you won’t leave them as a social cyborgue that fires routine after routine and can’t just chill out and be himself knowing he has what he takes to be spontaneous and be loved for that.
Now thundercat, just get off TD back, you can’t win this fight here cuz 2 or 3 guys are posting in 17 diferent names each.
Post the bootcamps reviews but not this kind of shit. It’s childish and you are wasting your time.
BTW that was my humble opinion.
cya