Cliff’s List Seminar Is Here!
July 15, 2005 by Thundercat
Filed under News
Well, it’s July 15th, and it looks like the biggest event in the seduction community this year, the Cliff’s List Seminar, is going to kick-off today!
Unfortuneately, I will not be a part of it.
Some responsibilities here in Los Angeles have forced me to cancel my trip to Cliff’s Seminar. Cliff knows about it, and I’m very sorry to all of you who were expecting to see me there. I was looking forward to meeting all the guest speakers and attendees, but right now a weekend in Montreal just isn’t possible for me.
If anyone would like to write a detailed report of the seminar (see my DYD Masters recap as an example) and take pictures of the event, I’ll pay $$$ to post it on my site. Just make sure it’s nice and detailed! =)
Here’s the breakdown of the CLS as it stands now:
CLIFF’S LIST SEMINAR
Meet and Learn from this outstanding and unprecedented collection of the Top Masters of the Game, including the following Guest Speakers who will be appearing IN PERSON:
CONFIRMED:
David DeAngelo (www.doubleyourdating.com)
Juggler (www.charismasciences.com)
Doc (see his interview at http://www.cliffslist.com/page2c.pl)
Steve Celeste (Toecutter) (www.smoothinteractions.com)
Tyler Durden (www.realsocialdynamics.com)
Style (world famous writer and seducer)
Brian (see his interview at http://www.cliffslist.com/page2c.pl)
Patty Contenta (http://www.sensualitysecrets.com/)
Stephane (www.ideagasms.com)
Steve Piccus (www.stevepiccus.com)
Mark B. (popular contributor to Cliff’s List)
Zan (famed rake!)
Brent (www.absolutepowerdating.com)
Michael Emery (Bishop) (www.new-alpha.com)
Lance Mason (Sensei) (www.pickup101.com)
Will (www.youaresoinmyway.com)
The_One (AKA Cameron Teone) (http://www.fidentia.org/)
Dr Alex Benzer aka Dr Tao
David Shade (http://masterful-lover.com/)
Mystery (www.mysterymethod.com)
Stephen (AKA PlayboyLA) (www.ceimageconsulting.com)
Mike (AKA Sickboy) (www.ceimageconsulting.com)Tentatively confirmed:
Dimitri/Vincent (w w w.rapidsocialimpact.com)Highly likely:
Bart Baggett (www.myhandwriting.com)
David Van Arrick (www.askmastercla ss.com)Also attending:
Papa (www.realsocialdynamics.com)
Formhandle (www.fastseduction.com)
TokyoPUA (www.fastseduction.com)
Dwacon (www.dwacon.com)
Orion
Greg (www.seductionpro.com)
Dave M. (www.insiderinternetdating.com)
Savoy & Sinn (www.mysterymethod.com)Please note that with such a large list of invited guests, we cannot be responsible for last minute changes including non appearance of one or more of the above. However, many others have been invited and we expect this list to grow substantially by the time of the event.
PARTIAL TENTATIVE TOPIC LIST (subject to change):
David DeAngelo: Will talk about advanced material that he hasn’t shared previously.
Bishop: "Know where you ARE, so you know where to GO in seduction."
Brent: "Taking Back the Power You’ve Given to Women"
Steve Piccus: Would You Date Yourself or Working your Complementary Opposites for improving your inner game.
Dr Alex Benzer aka Dr Tao: Will talk about beliefs, doing some seriously mind-altering drills, and talking about some techniques.
David Shade’s talk will be on: "Threesomes: The Secrets To Making Your Fantasy A Reality"
Sickboy & PlayboyLA: Secrets to pick-up that lead to long-term relationships. So often the pick-up has to do with getting laid, ONS (One Night Stands), etc. What we are interesting in pa ssing on is our technique for meeting women that encourages long-term, healthy relationships. We plan to go into specific techniques that we teach that a ssist this dynamic as well as building a lifestyle which naturally att racts women that you are compatible with, reducing your need to spend a lot of time "sarging". Our clients tend to be very busy, and just don’t have the time to go out to clubs/bars, etc. so we have had to customize our work in this fashion enabling them to meet women through the natural rhythm of living their life rather than hitting "sets" over and over.
Sensei: Will talk on "Kino: The Power of a Gentle Touch".
Zan: "A Love Affair With Women"
Style: His topic will be: "Beyond the Approach — How to Keep a Woman."
Cameron: Belief and mentality of a man who is successful in attracting women. Seeing the Matrix & The 5 Attributes of a seducers. He will give a quick background of his journey and why he joined the community. His talk will include being comfortable in your own skin and the belief system paradigm shift.
Mark B.: Will cover the basics, his background, his experience and how that changed him, att raction, how to connect, etc.
Patty Contenta: will talk on body language, and how to recognize a woman’s subtle signals.
FABULOUS SPECIAL PARTY INCLUDED!
As a special bonus, the Seminar will feature a spectacular party being thrown in cooperation with a modelling agency. Many very attractive women will be in attendance.
To all the attendees, pay particular attention to: Style (the most powerful of the Jedi (BE SURE TO ADDRESS HIM AS SUCH WHEN HE TAKES THE STAGE! =) ) , Steve Piccus (the godfather of the seduction community. He’ll deny it, but its rumored MINE’99 got some of his best stuff (you know, the stuff that actually works) from this guy! Also, be sure to ask him about his ideas on Threesomes!), and Zan (the coolest guy I’ve ever met in this community. We should all aspire to be like Zan!). You’ll be able to learn incredible stuff from ALL the speakers, but to me, these three are the stand-outs.
Good luck, have fun, and be sure to post all your exploits at the seminar to this thread!
And I’m serious about paying $$$ for a detailed recap of the seminar with pictures. Email me for deatials if you’re interested.
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Why doesnt this surprise us? This has to be why he wasnt allowed at the Cliff’s List Seminar, everyone there hates him for stealing their techniques. Most of them threatened not to attend if Ross was allowed to speak, that’s funny! Who lies more Ross Jeffries or Paul Ross Jeffrey?
Why You Shouldn’t Believe MINE’99/Ross
Damn, I was looking forward to hear TC’s account of the seminar, damnit!!!
I too was looking forward to TC recapping the seminar. I really enjoyed the DYD Mastery Series recap, and was hoping for something similar…..
…and that’s the….
-Truth
“Why doesnt this surprise us? This has to be why he wasnt allowed at the Cliff’s List Seminar, everyone there hates him for stealing their techniques. Most of them threatened not to attend if Ross was allowed to speak, that’s funny! Who lies more Ross Jeffries or Paul Ross Jeffrey?”
Really? Or is it that one of the prominently featured speakers, a former student, knows full well that his total lack of charisma and utter inability to present and teach would be so strongly highlighted were I also to be speaking, that he threatened to boycott if I were allowed to attend, and someone in the decision loop was too weak to withstand him?
In any case, the buffoon’s control play is certain to backfire in at least one sense:
My not being there, in some ways, makes me more present that if I were there.
Why?
Because people(including Cliff and Style) are going to talk about me and my contribution to the community.
And I’m sure Stephane will, as well as others.
That means those who do NOT know my work will wonder more about me, hearing me mentioned, than if I were there, and be driven to find out more.
So Mr. No Personality/PG-13 has succeeded only in saving me the expense and time of a trip to Montreal, and the tragedy of hanging out in an ego-bloated, dick-wagging contest.
And..I hope he didn’t mine the issues of my newsletter passed out as part of the info-packet that each attendee received on the opening day, especially the one that ripped one of his stupid pet theories to shreds.
Ah well….off to get ready for Shabbat finish up some writing.
Shalom everyone!
“When darkness spreads across the land
And evil gets the upper hand
Against my might it will not stand
For Lantern’s power I DO command.
GREEN LANTERN!”
Thundy opened his feces-caked maw and spewed out thusly:
“Steve Piccus (the godfather of the seduction community. He’ll deny it, but its rumored MINE’99 got some of his best stuff (you know, the stuff that actually works) from this guy!”
Goodness, Thundy. Can’t you keep your lies and rumors consistent?
First it was Mark Cunningham who allegedly gave me my best stuff.
Then it was Bishop.
Now it’s Piccus?
Now look: unlike the first two, I actually like Steve.
He’s a great guy and a powerful hypnotist(though he lays on the Patchouli scent a bit thick for my olfactories) and he’s got great kids, etc.
So I’m not going to play “Let’s you and him fight” on this board with Steve.
But, for the record, the ONLY thing Steve ever showed me that I ever tried using was Celtic Soul Gazing, which I dropped as being relatively ineffective.
No comment or criticism meant on anything else Steve teaches or does. He’s really good and he and Hypnotica did a great dual-induction on me down in San Diego which I really enjoyed.
Now, Thundy..show SOME minor bit of integrity and do try to get your lies straight, ya hear?
I hate to have Bishop, Cunningham and Piccus all have to sue each other over which one of them I truly “ripped off”.
Jeesh.
“Steve Piccus (the godfather of the seduction community. He’ll deny it, but its rumored MINE’99 got some of his best stuff (you know, the stuff that actually works”
Can someone EXPLAIN to me just what steve piccus has contributed to the seduction community? I keep hearing this “godfather” phrase but have never read nor seen him mentioned anywhere (aside from the dyd body language vid) what has he supposedly created/contributed that makes him so great?
Thundercat:
Please fucking STOP referring to Style as “the most powerful of the Jedi.” In a recent post he even admitted that Mystery was better than him:
http://www.fastseduction.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?action=retrieve&grp=5&mn=1112177943215986
And I know for a FACT that you haven’t seen Mystery in field in the last few months. His game is unreal these days. Significantly better than Style’s.
PLEASE STOP WITH THE UNINFORMED ASSERTIONS THUNDERCAT.
MYSTERY IS THE BEST!!!
MysteryRules!
P.S. If you don’t respond, I’ll assume that means you admit I’m right.
I’ve never seen Steve Piccus and Eric von Sydow (Hypnotica) live but have heard them on various CD’s and they are mind blowing. As an aspiring hypnotherapist/”Change Artist”, I’d love to work with these gentleman or have them as mentors.
Miss these guys and miss an amazing experience!
DG
I’d venture to say you’ve pretty much ripped off everyone ever associated with you. But then again, what do I know?
Thundercat
Hi MysteryRules!,
I’ve heard great things about Mystery’s game lately, and though I hold him in high regard, Style still is the best guy I’ve seen, simply because of the subtleties he’s able to work into his game.
Nothing against Mystery, I just think Style is the best, bar none.
Thundercat
Agreed 100%. Everyone who doesn’t agree, re-read the above atleast 3 times. I actually discovered RJ’s stuff by other people badmouthing him. I used to badmouth RJ everywhere online (here especially) without having even known anything about him…
But then (because of all the bad publicity, and all these “former student” gurus, I did check it out… and I’ve actually grown to like him/his stuff…
I guess “there’s no such thing as bad publicity” was actually correct.
And DeAngelo’s not mentioning other folks is NOT integrity… It’s him having a firm understanding of the “no bad publicity” principle. He knows RJ would get ALOT more students if he were to badmouth him. It’s a bussines, not a moral decision to not mention him.
“MINE’99 got some of his best stuff (you know, the stuff that actually works)”
This raises a big question in my mind. All of RJ’s former apostles hate him and don’t like to talk about SS. But inside all of the BS of SS, there had to be some gold nuggets in the center of the turd, or no one would have hung around RJ for YEARS the way they all did.
So all you refugee former RJ disciples, what is “his best stuff…the stuff that actually works”? Please list it.
What the hell happened between Hypnotica and Mystery? Did they do battle or what? Did that just fade away?
And what happened to the real jedi, Elvis? The nursing home doesn’t have an internet connection?
Ah there you go again Mine 99, always falling for the bait. It’s great to see you exploit this free speech forum to promote your hate speech. You should be paying Thundercat for allowing you to post on his site. If you had a shred of integrity you’d be PAYING, yes PAYING Thundercat an affiliate fee for any sales made from your hate speech on this site. You never seem to acknolwedge or realize what a favor he is doing for you, allowing you to post your BS on this site. You, of course, do not have a similar setup for others to comment on your site.
Oh yea, for a guy who talks a big game about integrity you sure don’t show any when it comes to respecting people. Do you even have self respect Paul? Self respect often is seen as not acting like an autistic child doing wildy innapropriete things and being wildly mean to others for no reason.
But alas we forget. Integrity to a bi-polar guy tends to fluxuate based on mood, time of the month, sun exposure, etc. Oh, poor baby Paul and his magik spells and his ability to hypnotize hot chicks in their sleep to fall in love with them.. Too old to be Harry Potter and not accomplished enough to be taken seriously.
“What the hell happened between Hypnotica and Mystery? Did they do battle or what? Did that just fade away? ”
What about Formhandle and Hypnotica? Theres a Mystery Method bootcamp in boston coming up, so maybe then formhandle/dimitri and mystery could ‘get it on’
Is ceimageconsulting really going to start running a bootcamp for gay men?
“Thundercat:
Please fucking STOP referring to Style as “the most powerful of the Jedi.” In a recent post he even admitted that Mystery was better than him:
http://www.fastseduction.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?action=retrieve&grp=5&mn=1112177943215986
And I know for a FACT that you haven’t seen Mystery in field in the last few months. His game is unreal these days. Significantly better than Style’s.
PLEASE STOP WITH THE UNINFORMED ASSERTIONS THUNDERCAT.
MYSTERY IS THE BEST!!!
MysteryRules!
P.S. If you don’t respond, I’ll assume that means you admit I’m right.”
Mystery you cornchip, drop dead.
“Agreed 100%. Everyone who doesn’t agree, re-read the above atleast 3 times. I actually discovered RJ’s stuff by other people badmouthing him. I used to badmouth RJ everywhere online (here especially) without having even known anything about him…”
That’s usually the case; everyone wants to take shots at the guy at the top of the heap.
Congrats on your conversion.
As for people like Thunderfat: they don’t even believe their own lies. He does it because he has monetary motives; having an enemy to attack generates attention and traffic to his site.
He’s utterly without integrity, and more and more people are awakening to that obvious fact.
RJ
93/93
P.S. Thundy, did your Dad get fired? I don’t see him quoted in Aviation Week anymore.
Cockblocker, aka Bishop, aka Emery, aka Ninja, aka Anonymous Hater vomited thusly:
“Ah there you go again Mine 99, always falling for the bait. It’s great to see you exploit this free speech forum to promote your hate speech. You should be paying Thundercat for”
CB:
My my
What satanic
Hatred
you show
How you spew and sputter
Black billuous clouds of lies and vituperation
Does it make you feel strong?
Empowered?
Mighty in your little man
Keyboard pounding fortress
Goodness I wouldn’t hate so badly
If someone had murdered my own mother
What nice addiction you have
To the viciousness that makes you
Convinced you are alive
Pity you
Yes
So trapped as you are
Gag on what you spew up
Swallowing it back down
Let it fester, gather and grow
Choking any authentic life
Yes
That is your sentence
Your punishment
Your fate
To feed on what
You would cast on me
So be it sent back
By the power of three
Times three
So mote it be
RJ
I get it now… Ross Jeffries is like the Rick Flair of the Seduction Community.
LOL
Hes the guy who (back in Rick Flairs Four Horseman days – and no I don’t believe wrestling is real, it’s just an analogy.) is good at what he does, but all the other “wrestlers” are trying to kick his ass to prove that they’re better than he is.
Now Im not saying that he is or isn’t but he did bring up a valuble point himself which I totally agree with.
All this negativity you guys throw at him only Raises peoples interest in him.
People wanna know, “Whats he got thats getting these people all emotional? Whats he doing where all these cats wanna project their energy at him?”
I think it’s funny because you guys are doing exactly the opposite that you’re attempting to do.
You know what might be -interesting-? Is if this “Seduction” blog was actually about “Seduction” and not some weird Soap-Opera about the individuals in the seduction community.
More teaching and less bitching? Who cares, it’s not my blog, and honestly I probably still would read it becuse it’s great f-cking entertainment.
D
Woo Hoo!!!
Maybe one day I’ll do a reality television show where we get like 10 of you Guru’s together on Camera and compete to see who gets the most ass. I’ll design contests based around different aspects, like a night out to the local Lesbian bar to see who can actually pick up a lesbian for bone-us points. I’m serious, talk about ratings!!
My point is that this Pick-Up shit should be fun. It should be enjoyable, and mostly it should be about guys who are too “mush-headed” from having so many orgasms in the last 24 hours that they can’t possibly become aggressive, because that’s how I usually feel after a good session with a woman. I dunno, maybe it’s just me.
“…and whether you like it, or you don’t like it; well by god you better learn to love it; ‘Cuz it’s the best thing goin’ TODAY! Whoooooh!!”
-Rick Flair
Cockblocker, aka Bishop, aka Emery, aka Ninja, aka Anonymous Hater vomited thusly:
RJ
I’ve been wondering the same thing for a few weeks now. You don’t see any posts by him lately and his posts at FS generally don’t generate much of a response.
I think hes not moving alot of product..why?..usually any info product people want usually shows up on p2p quickly.
All I ever see is his 1st product. Really check it is, its a crude measurement tool, but fairly accurate.
Secondly I’ve heard NOTHING from any posters about how great or bad it is. PLEASE someone correct me if I’m really off about all this.
Just a bored guy
Well, anyone see him at Cliff’s seminar? Perhaps he’s up and gotten himself in trouble AGAIN, and it will be interesting to see who he cons into helping him THIS time and how soon and how much he winds up hating THEM for the sin of assisting him.
Maybe he’s upset and laying low because someone outed him for still living with Mommy and Daddy well into his 30′s.
But a venemous cockroach like Emery always returns, you can be certain of that. Unless someone or someThing has finally and thorougly flattened him.
RJ
93/93
BadBadThing,
For the record, I’m not Mystery. Mystery and Style are best friends. He wouldn’t post anything remotely negative about Style.
Please, no more uninformed opinions.
MysteryRules!
I respect SS even though I don’t follow it as it feels creepy to me. I feel like shit if I try to do anchoring on the girl without her concious awareness. RJ did start and train most of the guys DYD, Swingcat, Major mark, David Shade, Orion, Rick H and couple of other guys.
RJ man, I don’t think you should lower yourself by defending yourself against every accusations.
I have a friend who is fat, does SS and gets steady quality poon, that is proof enough that SS works.
“And I know for a FACT that you haven’t seen Mystery in field in the last few months. His game is unreal these days.”
Since he’s making more MONEY and is FAMOUS now?
Gentlemen:
I am not new to art, but to the community of seduction. I must say, all of this bickering smacks of petty insecurity. Shall we try a return to civility? Its the science and thrill of the chase we all love. The community should remain positive in tone and discussion. This is supposed to be fun…
“I must say, all of this bickering smacks of petty insecurity. Shall we try a return to civility?”
You must be James Bond’s gay uncle.
Bond…… Gary Bond……..
First Ross gleans I’m Glen Hughes. Next I am some Asian who AMOGed him at the London 2004 seminar where RSD and SS were at the same venue. I think there was one more guess he came up with, and now I’m Bishop. Yeah man, you’re Psychic Influence Powers are on full blast. I wonder if anyone in the real world has made those worthless Psychic tapes actually work for them. Go with Silva Mind Control which Ross admits he got his idea from, ON THE FREAKING PSYCHIC TAPES when questioned by a student. Ross said something like, “Well where do you think he came up with it?” So vague, but we know you stole that from Silva. And it’s all over this board where you got your other stuff from. Genius? We dont think so.
Bishop told you he was gonna be gone for seminar, what’s so hard to understand about that? I am my own person who attended London 2004 whose exploits there were chronicled on this blog. Google it.
For those of you too lazy to Google it, just CLICK HERE. Wouldn’t you know it, I made the first 2 entries in the search.
I typed “Ninja” into the google search. Just curious, Which one of these 2 cats is you?
(this was the FIRST result that came up)
http://www.realultimatepower.net/
I like the second page too. I did the good/bad ninja test and here are my results. Cool stuff dude.
“Thanks for taking the test. After very careful study of the answers you have us, you seem to be a good ninja. It is important to follow the high roads on your journeys, and you seem to be getting pretty high. Good job.
If you feel that this test is not entirely accurate, and that you have some evil that is not coming through, please feel free to try the test again.
Do you still want more ninja fun? Why not test your sixth sense with our Ninja Psychic Test.”
I just read you’re testimonial on your First website. Pretty cool.
http://www.realultimatepower.net/index4.htm
I haven’t gotten through the question and answer section yet though.
GREAT Stuff!!
I am right now on lunch break at the Cliff’s List Seminar. IT IS AWESOME. I am going to post a detailed review. I do not have pictures, but if TC would like to break down his compensation model into text and photo I am your guy for the written review.
Disclosure: I am not “affiliated” with this seminar in any way, unless you count the fact that I bought Craiger a drink at the party on Friday night and he’s a friend of David’s.
This comment by RJ smells like garbage:
“Really? Or is it that one of the prominently featured speakers, a former student, knows full well that his total lack of charisma and utter inability to present and teach would be so strongly highlighted were I also to be speaking, that he threatened to boycott if I were allowed to attend, and someone in the decision loop was too weak to withstand him?”
If you’re talking about Bishop, I’ll let everyone know my honest opinion in my review, but that would be ridiculous because you’re on record prasing him to the moon.
If, however, you’re talking about David DeAngelo, he is in fact an excellent teacher and speaker. Not in the same rah rah style as Mystery, but in a calm and intellectual style that I personally prefer.
(Disclosure: I once got a few bucks off a seminar of his in exchange for some grunt labour. I bought the Advanced DVDs and afterwards spent a couple of grand to fly to and attend the Mastery seminar last year, BEFORE doing mikes for his Power Sexuality seminar, which was over a year later).
Further, there are dozens of speakers here, some good and some not-so-good, and that fact alone just makes your comment silly Ross, no matter which of your former students you’re bashing on this occasion. From what I have seen and read, you are a pioneer and have some great material, but you have a counterproductive and hostile attitude that literally PREVENTS people from receiving your content. Myself included.
STAY TUNED FOR MY REVIEW. You are going to get quite a few surprises, and I will NOT be pulling any punches.
TC: Please email me for some advice on how I can be as detailed as possible without violating Cliff’s non-disclosure agreement.
TRUTH: Peace, man! I welcome your critiques but let’s try to keep this upbeat and productive. You can appreciate TC’s reviews and you know that he is or has been affiliated with DYD in some way.
Cheers!
Señorlukas
A moron and DYD paid flack said:
“This comment by RJ smells like garbage:”
“Really? Or is it that one of the prominently featured speakers, a former student, knows full well that his total lack of charisma and utter inability to present and teach would be so strongly highlighted were I also to be speaking, that he threatened to boycott if I were allowed to attend, and someone in the decision loop was too weak to withstand him?”
If, however, you’re talking about David DeAngelo, he is in fact an excellent teacher and speaker. Not in the same rah rah style as Mystery, but in a calm and intellectual style”
C’mon. The guy READS DIRECTLY FROM HIS NOTES.
That’s a teacher?
You’re joking, right?
HE READS DIRECTLY FROM HIS NOTES.
Virtually every review of his events on this very blog that have been even remotely positive have uniformly(UNIFORMLY) said that his guest speakers are by far the most interesting parts of the events.
So if you want to call him a great packager, hurrah.
But don’t call him a teacher. He isn’t. Not even remotely so.
And my other comments in the paragraph you quoted are 100% true. Completely so.
“From what I have seen and read, you are a pioneer and have some great material, but you have a counterproductive and hostile attitude that literally PREVENTS people from receiving your content. Myself included.”
I’m so tired of reading this shop-worn bromide, I want to puke on my keyboard and mail it to you.
Idiot: this is a BLOG. It’s meant for controversy and nut-cutting commentary.
And if you are so fucking stupid that you would prevent my style of posting on a blog from checking out my material(when you KNOW or strongly suspect it could strongly benefit you) then you are too stupid to get what I teach or put it into application.
I WANT to drive away idiots like you.
Get it?
Now, go lick your master’s shrivelled nut-sack.
RJ
93/93
VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION HOW DOES ROSS KNOW THAT DAVID HAS A SHRIVELED NUT SACK OR IS THAT JUST THE WAY ROSS PICTURES IT
Jeez La Wheeze Ross, I truly am flattered that Señorlukas can so easily strike a nerve with such Goo Roo-ness! But, right now I’m busy listening to David D. teach WITHOUT ANY NOTES. So, I’ll get right back to your fallacious, beguiling, spurious, delusory, and moreover, WAY OFF rant, a bit later this evening. K sweets? I truly am looking forward to having an intelligent debate with you, if that’s at all possible.
BTW, why aren’t you here? I would have preferred to have heard from your bank of wisdom, instead of observing you at your keyboard slamming students like me.
Cheers!
Señorlukas
P.S.: You KNOW you’re going to like my seminar review, because some of it will be CAVILING!
I should qualify that: David’s got notes on a little laptop that he glances at about every ten minutes. HE IS NOT READING FROM ANY NOTES.
“Whoooohh!”
BUAHAHAHA!!!!!!
“BTW, why aren’t you here? I would have preferred to have heard from your bank of wisdom, instead of observing you at your keyboard slamming students like me”
Of course you would have preferred, but someone decided HE had the right to control what you heard.
Who is that person? Well, why don’t you ask DeAngelo. Ask him directly, “Did you have anything to do with Ross not appearing here?”
See if you get a straight answer. Or if he won’t answer you, ask Cliff.
Ask for a direct, straight answer.
You won’t get one.
Then decide who’s lying to you and who is telling truth.
RJ
Here’s a thought. Shouldn’t all you guys posting here be; oh, I dunno…
GETTING LAID?? Or is all this stuff just a bunch of wannabe’s trying to out wannabe each other? I mean, Jiminy Christmas its Sunday Afternoon. Go seduce chicks or something instead of KJing each other to death.
Who cares who’s right or wrong. RJ does it his way and David D does it his. Sure everyone is borrowing from other people, but EVERYONE in EVERY FIELD does it. Look at music, especially these days.
It’s all marketing anyway.
ROSS, Chill out and Read this – its out of a book called the teachings of Don Juan.
[url]http://www.prismagems.com/castaneda/donjuan1.html[/url]
Trust me, read it and think about the Man of Knoledge journey and see where you may fit into what enemy you are stuck fighting.
It fits right in with the magic aspect so it may just interest you. If it makes sense get the whole book.
Ric Flair, you better get your “whoooh” outta here or I’ll hulk up and drop a leg on your big nose.
Whatcha gonna do when my 24 inch pythons run wild on you.
Oh yeah, Macho Man is here and wanted to say “OHHHHHHHH YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHH”
Ross Jeffries said:
“I’m so tired of reading this shop-worn bromide, I want to puke on my keyboard and mail it to you.”
There’s a clue in your own words. If you’re so tired of reading it, you’ve heard it a lot. If you hear something so often to the point you’re tired of it, perhaps the solution is not to rail against it and slam the messenger but to find the grain of truth in the message and accept it FWIW.
“And if you are so fucking stupid that you would prevent my style of posting on a blog from checking out my material(when you KNOW or strongly suspect it could strongly benefit you) then you are too stupid to get what I teach or put it into application.
I WANT to drive away idiots like you.
Get it?”
Yeah, I get it. You’re like a chef that would take a perfectly good steak, douse it in vinager, and then blame the customer for taking offense. Your material is the steak and your personality is that vinegar Ross, and I say this with all due respect. You may have perfectly good material, but YOU make it unpalatable, which is a shame.
Cheers!
Señorlukas
Ross said:
“”BTW, why aren’t you here? I would have preferred to have heard from your bank of wisdom, instead of observing you at your keyboard slamming students like me”
Of course you would have preferred, but someone decided HE had the right to control what you heard.
Who is that person? Well, why don’t you ask DeAngelo. Ask him directly, “Did you have anything to do with Ross not appearing here?”
See if you get a straight answer. Or if he won’t answer you, ask Cliff.
Ask for a direct, straight answer.
You won’t get one.
Then decide who’s lying to you and who is telling truth.
RJ”
Guess what. I spoke with David and got a very satisfying answer. Out of respect for him I am not going to repeat our conversation to ANYONE.
But I can say this: The mere fact that such a watershed seminar like this could take place without your participation is a SHAME.
The Godfather of the community has been relegated to KJ status and villifying his former students and potential future students.
This state of affairs is truly sad and and pathetic, but it’s not too late for you to make a comeback in this community. I really believe that.
Now carry on with your clever blogging, Ross. And keep your eyes open for my review. I am certain that some of it will please you.
Cheers!
Señorlukas
“Guess what. I spoke with David and got a very satisfying answer. Out of respect for him I am not going to repeat our conversation to ANYONE.”
You mean you are covering for him, isn’t that correct?
Well, at least you see that I was not lying about it, was I?
I’m telling the truth all along here. I hope your eyes are beginning to open.
Just because someone is covertly hostile and keeps their lies, manipulations and chicanery hidden, doesn’t mean they are upstanding.
It only means they are clever concealers.
Someone is lying here.
It is NOT me.
RJ
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“The Godfather of the community has been relegated to KJ status and villifying his former students and potential future students.”
Hey dude, why keep egging him on. You’re being just as much of a KJ as anyone else.
You know what I did last night? Made out with a chick and played with her boobs after knowing her for like 20 minutes. You should try it. It alot better than trying to compare yourself passive-agressively to someone better than you are, just so you can try to create an image that you are his equal or better.
Its not working. Go make a name for yourself some other way.
Ross said:
“You mean you are covering for him, isn’t that correct?”
Mr. DeAngelo doesn’t need anyone to cover for him, imvho.
“Well, at least you see that I was not lying about it, was I?”
I learned a lot about David AND you from the conversation.
“I’m telling the truth all along here. I hope your eyes are beginning to open.
Just because someone is covertly hostile and keeps their lies, manipulations and chicanery hidden, doesn’t mean they are upstanding.
It only means they are clever concealers.”
Telling the truth is not the only ingredient in being upstanding. For example, it saddens me that you think slamming your former students, especially the successful ones, is somehow a GOOD thing or even a necessary thing.
“Someone is lying here.”
Not necessarily.
“It is NOT me.”
RJ
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There is always more to a story when someone is as angry as you appear to be. As I said, it’s a SHAME you weren’t here. And it’s also a shame that in your mind, all the power behind that decision rests with Mr. DeAngelo, as if you had no control over it or participation in this outcome, like a helpless victim. Your attractiveness as a teacher takes a nosedive every time you play the helpless victim, as if the entire seduction community is against you.
Question: We see that you believe you were boycotted. Do you also believe that you were the only one boycotted, and if so, do you have a less-lame theory than ‘ONE speaker out of dozens would be embarassed by your Super Duper teaching abilities’?
Cheers!
Señorlukas
“Hey dude, why keep egging him on. You’re being just as much of a KJ as anyone else.”
You’re so right! THANKS FOR POSTING HERE! LOL!
“You know what I did last night? Made out with a chick and played with her boobs after knowing her for like 20 minutes.”
I’m truly proud of you, Mr. Egg!
“You should try it. It alot better than trying to compare yourself passive-agressively to someone better than you are, just so you can try to create an image that you are his equal or better.
Its not working. Go make a name for yourself some other way.”
Again, thanks for the post!
Señorlukas
You’re welcome and anytime.
Thanks for letting me know I was right!
D
“There is always more to a story when someone is as angry as you appear to be. As I said, it’s a SHAME you weren’t here. And it’s also a shame that in your mind, all the power behind that decision rests with Mr. DeAngelo, as if you had no control over it or participation in this outcome, like a helpless victim. Your attractiveness as a teacher takes a nosedive every time you play th”
Tell ya what, buddy.
Give me a working email address for you and I’ll forward you the emails that PROVE what I am saying(or at least hinting at) is 100% true.
Fair enough?
If you are afraid of me “identifying you” fair enough: set up a yahoo or hotmail account for this purpose alone.
I’ll send you the documenting emails.
You read them.
Judge for yourself who is being honest and who is lying.
You have nothing to lose and if you are interested in the truth, objectivity and fairness, you ought not to refuse.
You are being lied to.
And not by me.
What say you?
Take me up on the offer and see what results.
RJ
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