June 23, 2005 by Thundercat
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Hi All,
Sorry for the lack of posting this week. My schedule has been so hectic I haven’t had time to find stuff to comment on! So use this post as an open thread to talk about whatever you want.
And if anyone out there wants to help out, you can always email me links to articles, message board posts, interesting websites, rants, raves, reviews, articles you wrote yourself, whatever it may be just to make my job a bit easier! =)
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What’s the deal with the Creatian guys? Always arguing and putting down other guys. Shark seems like a mental case, he just quoted himself about a kiss close that happened one year ago? Not even a lay??? Did he even have another kiss close in the last year? And his archive is mostly content free. And Badboy just sounds like a scam artist, always pushing his workshops. Is there anybody here that got any increase in the number of lays after being on the workshop?Badboy’s LRs date from three years ago, and in both of them you could point a finger on a line and insert the “fantasy starts here” marker. Was anybody anywhere present with Badboy when he pulled and extracted an HB for sex? Badboys writings just reek of scam.
Okay, just for shits and giggles, here’s an excerpt from “The Fire of Seduction.”
В©2005 Michael L. Emery. All Rights Reserved.
The Classes
Now I want to talk about something that I feel is important, in regard to the various classes of seducers, and how you view these people.
In a study that was done, they broke down the various economic classes into 9 groups.
1. The Higher Upper Class
2. The Middle Upper Class
3. The Low Upper Class
4. The Higher Middle Class
5. The Middle Middle Class
6. The Low Middle Class
7. The Higher Lower Class
8. The Middle Lower Class
9. The Low Lower Class
At the end of this study, it was determined that each group had the same perceptions and made the same judgments about the classes both higher than them, as well as the classes below them.
For example, the Higher Middle Class felt that the people who were in a higher class than them, advanced/maintained their class through unethical or illegal ways. And that the people who were in a lower class than them were either lazy and/or ignorant. This same feeling was found in every other class, the feeling being that the higher classes earned their status through wrongdoing and that the lower classes were lazy and/or less intelligent than them.
This same line of thinking is found among the seduction “classes” of men.
That thinking being, that a guy who is a better seducer than them must be doing it in unethical/dishonest ways, or just flat out lying about his abilities. And that a guy who is not as successful a seducer is lazy and/or less intelligent.
DO NOT FALL INTO THIS LINE OF THINKING!
You may THINK you’re not falling into that line of thinking, and I truly hope that you’re right. But let’s go over some things just to be sure.
First of all, don’t compare your own skills and abilities to the skills and abilities of other seducers. Refrain from thinking “He’s a bullshitter!” or “His seduction skills suck compared to mine!” There is no ONE style that works for everyone, there is no ONE way to seduce women. There is simply the way you USED to seduce, and the way you NOW seduce, which continues to improve over time. So instead of comparing and judging your skills and abilities to someone elseвЂs, compare them to YOUR OWN. Simply put: Notice what’s working for you, acknowledge yourself for this advancement, and only look back to see how far you’ve come. Who CARES what someone else’s skills and abilities (or lack of) are compared to your own? Just continue doing what you’re going to do as a seducer, and let them continue to do what THEY’RE going to do as a seducer.
Be open to new learning without judgment, be willing to share your advice and suggestions, and be willing to “let them be wrong” without challenging them.
Also, don’t fall into the ego trap of “I bet I can seduce more women then THAT guy.” When you make seduction a competition, it’s my opinion that you lose sight of what seduction is really about. To me, it’s not a game of “score with the most women,” instead it’s a series of “having quality and fun in my life” experiences. Far too many guys seem to treat seduction like it’s a “Hunter and Prey” kind of thing. What I mean is, they make PLANS to go seduce, instead of just going through their day and seducing along the way.
BG,
Who the fuck are you to be putting down Ranko Magami and Badboy?
You’re a nobody. These guys fuck hot babes, not only that they even teach guys how to get into the pants of hot babes. That’s more than you could ever do.
Ranko Magami and Carmen Teone are making a big mistake by being w/Nightlife aka Robert Torrey. Just because Torrey can get on a local TV news show doesn’t mean he’s a fucking marketing genius. Put Torrey fucking down if you have to, I’m all for it, he’s a fucking scam. As long Teone and Magami are working w/him then I will consider Fidentia a scam.
Torrey fuck you. You’re still the 11th person I wish fucking dead. I’ll always hate you. I’ll always hate Fidentia until they get rid of Torrey. I’ve spoken to the motherfucker and he hung up on me, I’ve joined his Yahoo! Group and I had more posts on there than he did, the only person that had more than me was the guy that Torrey mastered the art of sucking cocks, the other faggot David Riker.
Real Bishop,
What’s up, man? How about sending me the book? Just email it to me.
I have no idea (or care) how good of seducers Shark and Badboy are… All I know is that they are excellent teachers, both of ‘em.
Speaking of shark, I too have noticed that he searches the community for any mention of him and seems obliged to comment whenever he’s mentioned…
So what!?!? It means he has an ego. Who doesn’t? He’s human just like the rest of us. Albeit a more liberated and more fully human who gets more of what we all want.
I was quite recently commenting on how I got caught up in the societial (matrix) bullshit of having to approach X SHBs per day or otherwise i’d feel less manly etc… How I get these feelings like I have to compete with other men on who gets the better chick etc…
And he said that “it can happen to anyone”.
Point being, the TOP PUAs of this world are human too. There’s 2 misconceptions i’ve found and believed in the past.
Top seducers are
-Fearless
-Not caught up in ego battles
THAT’S WRONG… The only difference is what they do. They too get their heart beating when they see the SHB, they too get anxious… The only difference is they do what they’re supposed to anyway and because of skill suceed. And yes they too can get caught up in the stupid ego-driven bullshit… I.E. My girl is better than yours…
Why do both Rick H and Mystery have to use a 3S rule? These guys have foursomes on a regular basis, yet they feel if they don’t approach immediately that their anxiety will get the best of them and they will bomb.
BISHOP:
YOU RULE MAN… Mucho of respect.
“they make PLANS to go seduce, instead of just going through their day and seducing along the way.”
Hey Michael, mind if I poke at you for some much respected wisdom… This is one thing I have been struggling with lately… The ego-bullshit programming inside my head tells me I need to approach 100 chicks a day to be “man enough” or to practice, but well meaning individuals and my guts tell me to only approach those women I REALLY REALLY want while i’m going about my day. Not doing those planned missions etc…
What’s your take on this? The stress is almost killing me. Coz I get this feeling like if I don’t approach like a maniac I will lose my skills for when I see the really good one. I’m a guy who only recently started approaching, so not much of experience.
Thanks!
In reponse to “Alek” who wrote:
“Hey Michael, mind if I poke at you for some much respected wisdom… This is one thing I have been struggling with lately… The ego-bullshit programming inside my head tells me I need to approach 100 chicks a day to be “man enough” or to practice, but well meaning individuals and my guts tell me to only approach those women I REALLY REALLY want while i’m going about my day. Not doing those planned missions etc…
What’s your take on this? The stress is almost killing me. Coz I get this feeling like if I don’t approach like a maniac I will lose my skills for when I see the really good one. I’m a guy who only recently started approaching, so not much of experience.
Thanks!”
If your “gut” is telling this to you, then what’s the problem? Things like “gut feelings” MEAN something, always. But you have to know the difference between “gut feeling” and just “being nervous.” There is a very clear difference. Sometimes you just confuse “gut feeling with “scared to fail.”
While I DO suggest “making plans” when you’re first starting out, so as to get yourself in the habit, I suggest it in a limited capacity. Nothing gets a skill level up, like practice. So make plans to “practice today” without making plans to “practice on 10 different women.
The way I see it, it’s not important HOW MANY women you approach each day. What’s MORE important, is just getting yourself approaching women. By setting a “10 women today” rule, you’re potentially setting yourself up for frustration. What if, in the most unlikely of chances, you were only able to find 9 women to approach? Does it really matter that you didn’t get 10, or is it more important that you at least APPROACHED the 9 women? Even when I go to a club, my reason for going is NEVER “Oh, let’s see what babes are there.” Instead, I go because I like the vibe that fills me from an active club. Sure, I’ll almost always “tag the room” for potential babes to approach, but that doesn’t mean I’ll approach any of them if I don’t feel like meeting someone.
Look at it like eating at your favorite restaurant. Yes, there are times when you make plans to eat at that restaurant. But more often, you’re already out someplace, the hunger hits, and you think, “I think I’ll eat there.” it’s just like that, except the “restaurant” that are women are walking around where you already are.
Get it?
Sure Thundercat I’ll email you stuff to post on here. I don’t mind making your life easier.
I want to apologize to Nightlife, Riker, Ranko Magami, Carmen Teone, Real Bishop, Thundercat, and everyone else that reads this blog for my comments.
I’m sorry to everyone especially Robert Torrey and D Riker for the crap I said when I was drunk.
Actually, I’ve rarely see BB push his WS the way other “Guru’s” do – BB is low-key and even posts free-advice and tactics on his Board.
No hard sell like many of these other guys.
And, just about everyone who has done his WS has said nothing but good things about it.
Can’t say that for Mystery or RSD, and don’t even mention RJ
The BB Clients seem to be the most satisfied with the WS, even months down the road.
If I were to take one WS, it would be BB’s
Fidentia and the Seduction 101 WS with Sensei and Wilder would be up there too.
Guys who post on BB’s forum:
BB’s banned me from his forum. I wish he would’ve at least warned that if I continue posting crap I’d be banned. Most of the guys wanted me banned.
I’ve emailed BB to let me back again and this time I promised him I wouldn’t cuss anyone, wouldn’t go into self-pity moodes and the like. Still no response.
Guys ask BB to allow me in just this one time, please.
Yes it makes perfect sense to me and it perfectly resonates with me. I will make it my reality.
My guts also told me (in the past few months) another thing having read your comments and posts. They told me “this guy is really really someone who I should listen to and respect, this is obviosly a guy with integrity”.
You’ve just won yourself a new customer. I have got to read/listen to your stuff. Your products I have put on the top of my shopping list. Man keep going at it. If you keep up the impressions you’ve been making around the community lately, you’ll be one of the most respected guys around here easily!
HM, you manage to alienate yourself on every board you post, then you complain about being banned, or how nobody likes you.
Just whose fault is that?
Put the bottle down, get in the gym, start taking care of yourself.
Things won’t change until you do.
No WS, no bootcamp, no “magic pill” no nothing until you put in the work and create a solid foundation to build on.
hey…i know what u guys mean…all the business/economics experts/PHDs are NOT the successfull entreprenuers of the world. there’s a huge difference between knowing shit and applying shit…
like doers vs talkers…talkers genuinely inspire doers and deserve credit in our world but the people that make the diffrence and the doers.
quit thinking and charge!!!…yeap quit thinking…self destruction is the answer!!!!…simply destruct and u’ll automatically immunize and grow/build
thinking and anylyzing shit if for the ASF KJs…that’s their duty. the community constructed us to be like this. KJs break down therotics and the ballsy ones act on it.
silver.
Hey Handsome Man, since there are so many shitty boards out there, the BB board should be kept up to par. Since you seem to have no real valuable input nor share a positive outlook on life. It’s totally logical that you are banned. I mean complaining about it on an other blog….how pittyful can you get. Stop whining like a little bitch and get your life together. And please take this personal, I loath weak sorry ass f[]cks like yourself. Why do I reply on your post. Well you actually accomplished pity through the internet. What can I say…have a nice one.
LOL….what is wrong with some of you guys. Take heart though, you don’t have to drink…
Good post by Silver on the importance of action.
Get a very basic framework together and then just work it, work it, work it.
There’s a big difference between:
#1 Understanding what to do
#2 Analysing what you should have done
#3 Taking chances and acting in the moment
Only #3 pushes your boundaries, expands your skills, redefines your beliefs, boosts your confidence and gets you the girl.
Someone ought to do a Bishop Archive from his posts on Thundercat’s Seduction Lair. Pure gold.
Handsome Man, which TV news show was Torrey on?
More drunken Bishop rantings yes!
Sre94,
You can check out Torrey giving an interview on their website: http://www.fidentia.org/media.htm
He looks pretty nervous during the interview. Made me assume that he’s not an alpha guy. That assumption led me to believe + Badboy reinforced this in one of his old posts that Nightlife can’t pull out 9s or 10s. I don’t know I’m just making assumptions.
Several people have said that he’s a cool guy. I believe them.
torrey doesn’t look nervous during the interview
But his tonality is horrible.
I have not seen the interview, but aren’t these guys Eastern European? I can hardley blame them for not perfect tonality in a foriegn language, I mean shark sounds HORRIBLE on his CD, but I give him a pass because he obviously learned english late.
Intuit
I hope things get less hectic
Intuit,
I think Carmen Teone (The One) is from Canada and Torrey (Nightlife) is from the US. And I think they both can speak English well. Shark is the only one from Croatia.
Shark’s voice is cool. What are you talking about. Chicks would be all over him here in Cali if he were to approach chicks here.
Shark has sweet voice. He sings like canary on all his CDs. California girls want make his babies but he only likes Croatians.
HandsomeMan,
He did not sound weak or anything. Just did not sound like what I expected. And as for american women lovig his voice, I am sure they do. No matter where you go in the world women love accents.
HandsomeMan,
He did not sound weak or anything. Just did not sound like what I expected. And as for american women lovig his voice, I am sure they do. No matter where you go in the world women love accents.
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