PLAY List meeting 2/1/04
February 4, 2004 by Thundercat
Filed under News
**Reposted from the first Lair, original date: 1/28/04
There will be a meeting of the LA Lair (Players Los Angeles Yahoo) this coming Sunday at the Project Hollywood mansion. Originally, Sickboy — of of TD’s regular wingmen — was supposed to be the guest speaker, but it looks like he is unable to make it. Instead, Sandman from Mystery’s Lounge will be gracing the west coast with an appearance. Here’s the official word from Papa:
Due to a scheduling issue, Sickboy is unable to attend the Sunday meeting; therefore, the LA List has brought down a special guest that has flown in from London to do a presentation on the art of opening. Our special guest is Igor Ledochowski (aka Sandman of Mystery’s Lounge), who has taught workshops on opening and pickup in Europe. He has attended workshops by Mystery, Badboy, Juggler, Tyler, and I in Europe, and assists with students at Real Social Dynamics programs. He will be teaching Badboy, Tyler, and I at as our NLP Certification Coach for our official NLP Practitioner’s licensing in London at his August course in London.
We will be meeting at the Project Hollywood Mansion this Sunday afternoon at 3:30pm. Attendance is free. Parking is available at Sunset Plaza. Ring the buzzer at the gate and you will be let in. If you have trouble finding us, contact me.
Cheers,
Papa (Nick)
Real Social Dynamics
Should be a good time. Nothing like hanging out at the mansion learning the lifestyle from some of the best. Plus, it’s free! You can’t beat that. =)
Thundercat
New Badboy Workshops
February 4, 2004 by Thundercat
Filed under News
**Reposted from the first Lair, original date: 1/27/04
Looks like Badboy just announced his workshop dates for San Diego. You can check them out on his website here.
Thundercat
Ross Responds to the Strauss/Brasco Article
February 4, 2004 by Thundercat
Filed under Drama & Rumors
**Reposted from the first Lair, original date: 1/27/04
It seems Ross Jeffries has taken time from his busy schedule to respond to Minger’s article comparing Neil Strauss to Donnie Brasco. Ross jumps to Strauss’s defense, but not before claiming the book that Strauss is writing was his idea (of course. He’s been teaching writing books since his LA ’99 videos!).
You can find his reply here.
Thundercat
$$$Finally, Forbidden Video footage of top PUAs caught on tape!$$$
February 4, 2004 by Thundercat
Filed under Quotes & Humor
**Reposted from the first Lair, original date: 1/27/04
There’s been a lot of controversy about the mainstream exposure that the community has been recieving lately. Well, to make matters worse, video footage of major Pick-Up Artists has been leaked out and is now all over the internet. I don’t really know how I feel about this, but I think it’s a good thing that most people out there will finally know that we are the real deal. Anyway, if you want to check them out, click on the links below.
Video 1
Video 2
Video 3
Video 4
Video 5
Don’t know how I feel about being exposed in the footage, but I guess like Mystery, I’ll have to deal with the recognition. =)
Thundercat
The Truth behind Neil Strauss?
February 4, 2004 by Thundercat
Filed under Drama & Rumors
**Reposted from the first Lair, original date: 1/26/04
It seems Minger from the DC lair has a very interesting metaphor for the way Neil Strauss is working within the community. You can find the article here.
Thundercat
Mystery Sex Magic
February 4, 2004 by Thundercat
Filed under News
**Reposted from the first Lair, original date: 1/26/04
This weekend, I had the pleasure of meeting up with some of the best pick-up artists in the world (all of which happen to live in LA, as luck would have it! =) On Sunday night, I was joined by Mystery and his current roommate Herbal from Project Hollywood at Roadking’s appartment for a night of Salt-Lick Barbeque flown out specially from Austin Texas, home of the best BBQ I’ve ever had.
It had been a while since I’d hung out with Mystery, so I was excited to see him again. I knew he was going through a bit of a tough time with the NYT article, so when he showed up I was pleased that he was in good spirits. While Roadking was finishing up cooking the BBQ however, Mystery took the opportunity to scold me for channeling Ray Gordon with my ”conspiracy theory” rants on the blog concerning the NYT article. I then threatened not to invite him to any more Barbeques if he kept acting like my mother, and that was the end of that. We got down to eating and catching up on what everyone had been up to since we last met.
One thing I have to say about Mystery, the guy is probably one of the most charismatic people I know. He just radiates a fun energy that can be infectious, and I always have a good time hanging out with the guy. It’s obvious why girls go for him, he’s just entertaining as fuck. Of course, the whole time I was with him, I couldn’t help thinking about the time TheOne did his ”Mystery” impression for me, so I had to keep from laughing at some points.
During the course of diner, Mystery was explaining some of the new theories he’s developing with Roadking, Herbal, and I. It was a very cool experience, listening to what has to be some of the most cutting edge stuff when it comes to Pick-Up that’s out there. The first thing he talked about was his theory behind attraction, and the different things that attract the opposite sexes in nature. For instance, he divides attraction into two categories — Male to Female attraction, and Female to Male attraction.
Male to Female attraction (M->F) has to do mostly with visual cues that attract men to a women, things such as breast size, hip-to-waist ratio, hair color and sheen, ass, legs, and face. Basically, the fundamental things that initially attract a man to a woman.
The next part was a little more complicated and a category Mystery is still trying to dissect. He engaged Roadking, Herbal, and I in a discussion about mechanisms that attract Females to Males (F->M). His initial theory was that there were 7 ”switches” that men can manipulate to create incredible attraction in women. We discussed the subject for a long time while eating, and had a great many good ideas and theories on the subject. Roadking probably took it the farthest of all of us, and I think Mystery got a lot of good insite to chew on. During this conversation, it also dawned on me the fundamental difference between a guru like Mystery and some of the other gurus out there. That’s the fact that Mystery genuinely wants to hear other people’s thoughts and will incorporate them into his method as opposed to acting like a scared little baby due to the ”competition.”
But the highlight of the evening was when Mystery whipped out his laptop and gave me a sneak peak at the book that he’s writing, tentatively titled Mystery’s Sex Magic. All I have to say is — WOW! I was incredibly impressed at what I saw.
My previous information where I reported that Mystery was finished or close to finished with the book was wrong. He is currenly only around 40 pages in. I was correct, however, in saying that he has simplified his method to a more manageable 3 Step method called M3, which consists of the steps: Attract, Build Comfort, and Seduce. The book then goes on to explain each step in detail, and the pitfalls of doing them out of order, which I found to be incredibly interesting because it ran the gammut of how every guy presents themselves to women.
The second half of the book is going to deal with with Mystery’s extraction model, which is pretty much a roadmap of how a pick-up should go within Mystery Method, covering Isolation, Extraction, and the Bridge. Mystery had illustrated this model to me a few months ago when he was just developing it, and he plans to use the same model for his book and go in depth into it.
One thing I really liked about the book, and it’s something that I haven’t seen in any other seduction product to date, is that it is fully illustrated with diagrams that break down Mystery’s model of seduction. The book itself comes off as a very scientific textbook for pick-up and seduction theory. It very much reminds me of a few of the manuals I had to buy for physics class in college, only a little easier to read. If this is any indication of what Mystery is going to be teaching at his seminars, I’m very interested in attending one.
The night ended with a trip to the Project Hollywood mansion, where Mystery, Herbal, Papa, Style, and another PUA named Playboy are living. I was quite impressed with the place, which used to be Dean Martin’s home. It definitely had that Rat Pack feel with a great pool/hot tub in the back patio, and lots of free standing bars. Papa tells me they plan to start throwing house parties in the next couple of weeks. Those should be interesting, to put it mildly.
I’ll keep you updated on the progress of the book as I learn more information. One thing is for sure, once Mystery gets this sucker done, the face of the seduction market is going to change.
Thundercat
Clarification on the NYT Article
February 4, 2004 by Thundercat
Filed under Drama & Rumors
**Reposted from the first Lair, original date: 1/26/04
I had a talk with Mystery today, who gave me the inside scoop on the ”behind the scenes” drama that went on with Neil Strauss and the New York Times regarding the article in last weekend’s Fashion & Style section. According to Mystery, the article that was printed was a very bastardized version of the original article Mr. Strauss had written, which was a much more positive and balanced view of the community. I’m told Mr. Strauss fought very hard with his editors who originally did not want to print the article, but which Strauss pushed through in order to beat the Rolling Stones Journalist who is writing an article on the community to the punch. Apparently, the editors rewrote and re-arranged the article to meet their more ”PC” women-centric standards that the publishers preach, which only reinforces what I thought happened after reading the article for myself. I’m told Mr. Strauss was not happy with the finished article, but that it could have been much worse had he not fought for it.
Mystery, however, still seems conflicted on how he was portrayed. He’s worried about it hurting his magic career, and he also elaborated on the pick-up that was featured in the article, telling me how the woman he was pictured with took offence to him going after her friend instead of her. Had Mystery known that she was going to be the one profiled in the article, he says he could have easily made her his girlfriend as opposed to experimenting and looking for the bridge to her friend (who apparently was a clone of Rachael Leigh Cook, so who can blame him for going for it, eh? =)
Thundercat
New Real World Seduction!
February 4, 2004 by Thundercat
Filed under News
**Reposted from the first Lair, original date: 1/26/04
Swinggcat has updated his website to a more professional look, as opposed to the minimalist version he had before. I like the new incarnation, because it looks like more thought was put into it, and it’s a little less like the ”Double Your Dating” style he had going before. It seems he’s moving in a direction that’s more his own and starting to carve a niche for himself. If you want to check out his new site, click here.
I’m told his new newsletter is getting ready to come out within the next week or so. If you haven’t signed up to recieve, I suggest you do. It promises to be good!
Thundercat
Speed Seduction LA ’04 Seminar
February 4, 2004 by Thundercat
Filed under News
**Reposted from the first Lair, original date: 1/26/04
Well, the annual Los Angeles Speed Seduction seminar has come and gone, and I’ve heard from a number of sources that it was a fairly mediocre event. Apparently, there were between 30 and 40 people there, only half of which were paying customers. I was told most of the new material focused around SRT (Signal Recognition Technology… or something) and 3D Mind, with a bit of Psychic Influence stuff thrown in there. Seminar attendees included Tom & Kim (of course), Papa, Herbal, and a surprize visit by Mystery. It should be noted that Ross conducted a mini-seminar for the LA Lair at the Project Hollywood Mansion, so he was probably returning the favor by having these guys come by as guests. Over-all, the impressions I’ve heard have been fairly disappointing as SS continues to be outdistanced by some of the more effective pick-up and seduction techniques out there, which probably explains Ross’s recent attacks on Tyler Durden.
One thing I have heard from a number of people in resounding unison is that Riker’s Workshop was very good. Apparently, it consists mostly of field reports Riker does commentary and analysis for, along with actual audio of sarges he’s conducted, along with commentary. I’ll be looking forward to hearing more about Riker and his endeavors into the field of professional seduction. I’m also concerned about his relationship with Ross, since his mini-workshop seems to have outshined Ross’s seminar. Ross isn’t exactly known to take too well to competition, even if it’s from a ”friend.”
I’d also like to point out that this is NOT first hand knowledge on my part. I was not at either event. This is simply what I’ve pieced together from a variety of sources. If anyone has a different perspective they’d like to share, please reply to this blog.
As you know, I don’t like Ross Jeffries. I think the guy is a loser. But despite the fact that he is a miserable excuse for a human being, Speed Seduction does have SOME merrit to it (mostly because its rooted in NLP because its a legitimate science).
If you’d like to learn more about Speed Seduction, Click Here.
If you’d like to learn about BETTER hypnotic seduction courses, Click Here.
Thundercat
Speed Seduction LA ’04 Seminar
February 4, 2004 by Thundercat
Filed under News
**Reposted from the first Lair, original date: 1/26/04
Well, the annual Los Angeles Speed Seduction seminar has come and gone, and I’ve heard from a number of sources that it was a fairly mediocre event. Apparently, there were between 30 and 40 people there, only half of which were paying customers. I was told most of the new material focused around SRT (Signal Recognition Technology… or something) and 3D Mind, with a bit of Psychic Influence stuff thrown in there. Seminar attendees included Tom & Kim (of course), Papa, Herbal, and a surprize visit by Mystery. It should be noted that Ross conducted a mini-seminar for the LA Lair at the Project Hollywood Mansion, so he was probably returning the favor by having these guys come by as guests. Over-all, the impressions I’ve heard have been fairly disappointing as SS continues to be outdistanced by some of the more effective pick-up and seduction techniques out there, which probably explains Ross’s recent attacks on Tyler Durden.
One thing I have heard from a number of people in resounding unison is that Riker’s Workshop was very good. Apparently, it consists mostly of field reports Riker does commentary and analysis for, along with actual audio of sarges he’s conducted, along with commentary. I’ll be looking forward to hearing more about Riker and his endeavors into the field of professional seduction. I’m also concerned about his relationship with Ross, since his mini-workshop seems to have outshined Ross’s seminar. Ross isn’t exactly known to take too well to competition, even if it’s from a ”friend.”
I’d also like to point out that this is NOT first hand knowledge on my part. I was not at either event. This is simply what I’ve pieced together from a variety of sources. If anyone has a different perspective they’d like to share, please reply to this blog.
As you know, I don’t like Ross Jeffries. I think the guy is a loser. But despite the fact that he is a miserable excuse for a human being, Speed Seduction does have SOME merrit to it (mostly because its rooted in NLP because its a legitimate science).
If you’d like to learn more about Speed Seduction, Click Here.
If you’d like to learn about BETTER hypnotic seduction courses, Click Here.
Thundercat
My Thoughts on the NYT Article
February 4, 2004 by Thundercat
Filed under Rants & Reviews
**Reposted from the first Lair, original date: 1/24/04
Okay, I read it, and I got a lot of mixed feelings about it. I thought the author of the piece did a good job trying to appear fair and balanced, but on the whole, the article came off making the entire community and those at it’s head look like pathetic losers or money grubbing opportunists. I don’t know if that’s from the way the author wrote the piece, or if that’s what it ended up being after the editors got their ignorant little hands on it, but that’s the feeling I got after I read it.
A few comments:
First off, the title is HORRIBLE! Just flat out lame. I know that journalists usually don’t have control over the headlines, so my guess is that this was some lame attempt by the editors at the NYTs to burry the article and hope no one reads it. If they actually WANTED people to read the damn thing, they could have easily entiled it ”Secret Society Teaches Seduction” or some other sexy title like that. My guess is the rocket scientists they got running things at the NYTs didn’t take the article seriously, and might even be a bit embarassed they’re printing it.
Second, Mystery does NOT come off looking very good, in my opinion. And this probably touches on what pisses me off about the article the most, which is that the wole community comes off as looking lame. There’s no mistaking the rather ”Politically Correct” female slant on the whole article. Where guys who do this are all virgins or losers who need people to teach them how to talk to girls, and the gurus who teach them are somewhat faking it for a quick buck. The whole reference of Mystery’s sarge with the girl at the Standard was a joke, with her saying ”He seems like a nice guy who was trying too hard.” Riiiiiiiight. Why give so much importance to her words anyway? I thought Herbal’s post about the pick-up was much more revealing about how out of all the guys hitting on her, she gave Mystery her number. No mention of that, was there? Of course not. Yet another reason I hate the New York Times as a paper — they are about pushing their PC female-centric agenda rather than reporting the FACTS. This is the same paper who brought us Jason Blair, after all.
The author is way too hard on himself. He’s an incredibly skilled PUA who gets laid A LOT, and he’s still hung up on his looks. I’ve seen the guy in person, he doesn’t look THAT bad.
Only 1 mention of Tyler Durden. I heard that Tyler’s part in the article was cut for space, but how can you ignore such a driving force in the community so easily? I mean, he’s out there constantly teaching guys how to pick-up women, and in a way that puts him on the cutting edge of what we’re doing. It seems odd that he could be so easily removed from the article.
Juggler’s girlfriend. Don’t know the guy or his girl, but now I guess it’s obvious why he’s left the community. She sounds like a bit of a bitch to me. Fact of the matter is that most girls don’t understand the necessity for something like this community to exist, because they can have sex whenever they want and it’s not in their reality to know the trials most guys go through just to experience the most fundamental act of nature. If this were an article about a group of women teaching other women how to find a man and get them to marry them, would it have come off as sad and pathetic? No. It would have been celebrated as an interesting little ”sowing circle” and I have NO doubt that they would have included web addresses for that, as opposed to this article which conveniently left any mention of the websites in this community out.
The article has no ending. It just ENDS! No wrap up, no final redeeming factor about the community, just the author talking about how he’s no longer an AFC. The thing is, if he REALLY wanted to hammer home how great this community is, how about talking about a few REAL field reports instead of a stupid # close? Too racy for the NYT I suppose. Or maybe the author is just shy. In any event, I don’t feel the article captured ANYTHING about what this community is really about, and rather succummed to some type of journalistic pressure to be too PC.
I know a lot of people in the community are relieved that not too many of the tactics we use were revealed in the article, but at what cost? I guess it’s cool that most AFCs out there won’t be able to track down Fast Seduction.com and find out all about our little ”secret society.” That the article paints us as a rather small and pathetic group of 20, 30, and 40 year old men who are virgins and have exhausted all other avenues with women, so we can remain living ”under the radar” of society’s judgement and attention. But I guess I’m just disappointed that someone who is so involved in the community, who is so talented with these skills, who I respect probably more than anyone out there, would write such a bleek view of what we do. Again, I don’t know what changes happened with the article between leaving the author’s hands and getting printed in the paper. But I do know that if this is a sign of things to come, I would be very worried about how some of my friends in the community are going to be portrayed.
Thundercat
Style is Out of the Closet
February 4, 2004 by Thundercat
Filed under Drama & Rumors
**Reposted from the first Lair, original date: 1/24/04
For some reason, local mASF dooshbag mmasters thinks he’s being smart by outting the identity of the writer for the NYT article, like it’s some big discovery or conspiracy theory or something. This guy must have some odd homosexual obsession with Style, due to the sheer ammount of time he spends trying to expose the dude. You can find his rather stupid thread here.
Thundercat
Update: It seems that the link I’ve posted above has been taken down from mASF by Formhandle at Style’s request.
Mystery on the NYT Article
February 4, 2004 by Thundercat
Filed under Drama & Rumors
**Reposted from the first Lair, original date: 1/24/04
Word has it that Mystery sent out an e-mail after the article hit expressing his displeasure with it and how he was portrayed in it. He didn’t really seem to like how he came off, but seems to have resigned himself to the fact that he got blindsided into looking like a moe. Herbal, who’s currently one of Mystery’s roommates, has gone on mASF to try a little damage control. His post explains a lot, and I have no reason to doubt what he says, but still… seems like Mystery might be a bit hurt by how he came off looking in the write up.
Thundercat
NY Times Article Hits
February 4, 2004 by Thundercat
Filed under News
**Reposted from the first Lair, original date: 1/24/04
Well, it was delayed for a bit, but it looks like it’s finally out in the open. The New York Times article on the community, written by Neil Strauss, is now in the Fashion & Style (how appropriate) section of the Sunday New York Times. I haven’t had a chance to read it just yet, but I’ll post my thoughts on it when I do. Until then, you can find it here.
Thundercat
Funny Field Report: Fuck Me 26
February 4, 2004 by Thundercat
Filed under Field Report
**Reposted from the first Lair, original date: 1/23/04
The great thing about this community are the real life experiences we have in our never-ending quest for pussy. Sometimes, these adventures can be quite funny, which just makes them all the more memorable. So I’ve decided that occasionally, if I find something entertaining enough, I’ll repost it here on the blog for shits and giggles.
The first one of these I’ve found was the Lay Report where 2-6 loses his virginity. For those of you who don’t know, 2-6 is a canadian PUA who’s become quite good since losing his virginity at the age of 26. However, the length of that viginity stint may very well explain this! I’m convinced semen back-up is bad for the brain and induces psychosis. But I digress…
Anyway, you can read this rather amusing field report here. Enjoy!
Thundercat
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