Is Tyler Durden A Fake?
February 27, 2006 by Thundercat
Filed under Drama & Rumors
I know there are a lot of people out there who think I’m ragging on Real Social Dynamics just for the fun of it, but that’s not really the case. I’ve actually been getting contacted a great deal by lots of different people with gripes about RSD, most of which I don’t really bother to post.
But occasionally, I get a post that’s really thought provoking, and it just so happens this one is right up there.
Semicond writes:
Hey TC,Forgive the length of this email, I know you probably get a lot, but hopefully you’ll find this is worthy of being published on your blog.
I’ve been a lurker in the community for many years now. I’m just a regular dude, don’t really take workshops or go to seminars or anything like that. I just like to read the mASF message boards a lot.
And I’ve noticed something I wanted to share with everyone.
I remember back in the days when Tyler Durder started posting on mASF. It was really cool to see a guy with a new perspective on stuff kind of rise through the ranks with his thoughts and ideas.
And he had some great posts, like the spastic rambling series. There was a time there where Tyler really seemed to be innovating a lot of cool theories and ideas.
But recently, a lot of his posts have lost that excitement and revolutionary quality. And by recently, I mean in the last year or so.
So I started going through a lot of the posts on mASF archive around the time period where TD was posting all his great stuff, and realized this was around the time of Project Hollywood, where TD was living with all those big time PUAs like Mystery and Style.
After reading Style’s book, I got the idea that TD was also traveling around and meeting with really good PUAs at this time as well.
But ever since Project Hollywood ended, and the RSD guys have been ostricized by the big time guys, TD’s posts have gone down hill, which leads me to believe that most of the really cool stuff Tyler "developed" and posted about in the good old days were really concepts and ideas he took from much better pick up artists and re-wrote to make it look like he came up with it.
I’m not making this claim lightly. If you look at some of TD’s old posts, and compare them to his recent posts, you’ll see big differences.
In the old posts, he had some really interesting core ideas which he went on to theorise on and test out.
In his new posts, it’s more like he’s got the same old ideas which he tries to drag out into something new. A lot of his posts make me feel like I’m reading a term paper where he’s trying to hide the fact he has no new ideas with a bunch of psychobable writing.
So I want to pose this question…
Do you think Tyler was ever really that great of a PUA? Or was he just a really smart keyboard jockey who stole his best stuff from better PUAs like Mystery and Sytle?
Thanks for your time.
Semicond
Well, I’d be lying if I said this wasn’t a provocative email. It is true that Tyler’s best stuff came when he was living with Mystery and Style in Project Hollywood, and when he was traveling around the world meeting the great PUAs from Mystery’s Lounge.
And it’s also true that his posts since Project Hollywood imploded have been pretty lackluster.
There’s been a lot of controversy over TD’s skill level ever since he appeared on the scene. I remember the big threads on Mystery’s Lounge about whether Tyler was a fake or not. This is stuff that wasn’t viewable by anyone but the people on the Lounge, but there were a great many people who knew Tyler who thought he was full of shit.
Eventually, his friends outweighed his enemies, so he was accepted into the fold. But you can’t deny that sometimes Tyler stretches the truth when it comes to his own prowess as a ladies man.
TD has been caught in a few fibs, such as him saying he can "open any set," or claiming the girls he sarges are 9s and 10s when in reality they were more like 6s and 7s.
And for everyone who’s read The Game, you know TD is really insecure, defensive, and manipulative.
I’ve even had eye-witnesses come forward and tell me that TD had a whole "Gay" routine worked out with wingmen where him and his wingman would actually MAKE OUT with each other in front of girls to try and get the girls to make out with each other.
(If that’s the kind of innovation TD is pioneering, I think I’ll stick to the old stuff)
So there’s a lot of shady stuff going on with TD, and if he really did get his best concepts from better PUAs like Mystery and Style, well… I can’t say I’d be surprized.
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Your “game” is as crooked as Neil Stauss’s nose. Go shove your book up your momma’s anus
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So it’s not really Ross Jeffries, it’s somebody else pretending to be Ross Jeffries. They call it “Impersonation”.
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this guy has game, come on. after you see this picture, you will never disagree on this fact anymore.
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there you can see him, with a HB10!!!!
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hahahah, damn I thought I was ugly, but then, I saw Thundercat….
muuuhahahahahahhahahahahah
TC, you look like a fat, pale Turd..hahaha
For you to get laid, it takes work..lol
Hey Ross
I don’t think even Speed Seduction could help some one so hidious as TC
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By the way,
sorry that I betrayed the community when I published my book.
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http://www.insearchofheroes.com/comic-industry-heroes/images/Good%20Guys%20Kickoff%20Character%20fat%20guy.jpg
Those pics of Thundercat are hillarious.
Is this really Thundercat in this picture?
http://www.insearchofheroes.com/comic-industry-heroes/images/Good%20Guys%20Kickoff%20Character%20fat%20guy.jpg
This is the President of the United States of America with a special message for Don Won TOn!
I’d like to order a peking duck menue for 4, plus some Dim Sum!
This is my last message here, everybody posting here as George W. Bush will be an impostor!
Yours truly,
Gunwitch
Bigup to our Гњber-PUA won ton don, aah whatever
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
tyler durden stinks like fecal matter.
It works: btw: we get all worked up by kissing each other… then hopefully if it doesn’t work then we start again on each other. you know where that leads :p A lay (ok… it’s a gay lay, but who cares? still a LAY!!)
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=6610443&blogID=90017220&MyToken=9b656c07-4a3a-44c1-a879-4a9101a8c24c
wooohoooo the_(gay)_one changed the gay myspace pic now he looks so kewl in the new pic,cameron gay_one didn’t have the guts to keep the other selfpic up for us muahahahahahahahahahahaha
i’m convinced now he’s so self-confident, a true PU GURU!!!!! MUAHAHA
Can you believe that turd McMaax is doing seminars now? First he trolls on mASF, then he pretends to reinvent the wheel, and now he’s giving seminars to unsuspecting AFC’s.
http://www.seductionscience.com/workshops/mcmaax/
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=9141220
hahahahah this blog is so funny. Big up all da playa trolls. they do a good job.
Hey don won, lighten up. we ain’t really racist, we just like taking the piss, yo But I’ll have peking duck if yu’re still taking orders.
TC is the most disgustingly hideous anal wart I have ever laid eyes on. If that guy even gets a woman to talk to him without vomitting, he’s got game.
WOOOHOOO!
I tooled the_gay_one! he changed his myspace pic! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
Hey Cam! How about you and Thundy going out as a gay couple? Stack this with TD’s gay routine plus the Cock-looking Icecream opener and you will be able to pull every black stud from cocksmoker No 1 Ross Jeffries!
what a schmock!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
BTW, what did Mystery do to enable herbalto pull his chick, ha must have been in very bad shape back in the day…
Herbal looks like that retard Papa haing one of RJ’s “Instructors” up his arse! mwuahmwuahahah!
yeah herbal is the ugliest little bastard runt ever. He looks like trailer trash.
I’m still waiting for my sweet and sour don won ton
WHat’s your problem!
Why can’t a gay virgin like myself be givin’ workshops?
Please send me your suggestionsto:
pushthemax@yahoo.com
THX MCMAAX
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i made 2000 swings. now i cannot cum anymore.
You fuckers read all the way to the end of this thread?! pwned!
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Thundercat on myspace?Wow……..so hot.Or not?
Do you guys know that Brad P. is charging $5,000 for a 3-day bootcamp!? What do you think?
Check it out…
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This is really me, and I did leave a bad taste in Don Won’s mouth, but it wasn’t from my racist posts wink wink.
SCRUMPDIDDILYUMPTIOUS!
RJ
hey pretty good advertisement brad. now we go to that site, check the prices and see that they are actually cheap. so you get more costumers.
i will remember that for my business, that one day is gonna tramp on yours like on a little hill of ants.
ok if i was in nyc i would take your 1on1 bootcamp.
>>Do you guys know that Brad P. is charging $5,000 for a 3-day bootcamp!? What do you think?
What the fuck is it with this guy. First he spams fastseduction with FAKE layreports and now he wants $5,000 for a bootkamp. What an idiot. LOL
uh oh….
http://profiles.yahoo.com/cameron_c_moffid
sick
Who wouln’t agree that Cameron “The gay one” Teone is the new chode of this blog?
First of all, In his Yahoo profile he looks gay as usual but also stoned like a motherfucker! Cam is down with the reefer! NICE!
Much worse: “Latest News: fucked Kathy, 14 yrs old ” Cool Dude! he fucks little girls who look like boys! I hope Gunwitch beats the hell outta ya!
Hilarious: “Hobbies: [...] Speed seduction-sex-sex-sex-sex-sex.Want me?Call me.”
What a poor bitch! sick indeed!
Hi, I came to this board by mistake.
I need to go for a wee wee now
I read Styles book the Game and it looks like some bad blood could have developed between Style and Tyler Turden, but if he trained under Mystery and Style he is probably pretty damn good.
Ok You all know the King is arrogant, All of you guys need to learn a move or two from the King. Don’t forget I put on training tours where I do more than a number-close. I do all full-closes! We’re talking about getting laid here. Isn’t that what it’s all about.
If I could see Tyler in action I could tell you just how good he is. A book or a tape might give me a better idea.
I would like to see Mystery and or Style work the Game…Style’s book really impressed the hell out of me and made me a Mystery fan. I like the guy Mystery, problems and all. And am also now a Style fan. Hell it is lonely at the top. I am sitting up here in the number 1 spot like some God looking down on the whole community. Hell I am just about to let Mystery beat me in the Mystery vs. Elvis challenge just so I have someone to look up to. It is boring at the top…Except that I never get tired of making hot passionate love to one to three new hot babes per day!!! Had a threesome today. I am not an expert in putting threesomes together but I do it once a month or so. Damn that’s nice….
Elvis, Your Forgotten King
THE “PICK UP MOVIE”
Just posting about more info on that movie that is going to be done about Style’s book, “The Game”.
Its official.
For info on the movie:
http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=18144
http://www.darkhorizons.com/news06/060224c.php
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/news/comments/?entryid=296271
They all pretty much say the same thing.
” Chris is adapting the screenplay for Neil Strauss’ best-selling book “The Game: Penetrating The Secret Society Of Pickup Artists”, and producing along with Paul and Michael De Luca for Columbia Pictures.”
“The first person story is an undercover account of a community of pickup artists of AFC’s (average frustrated chumps) trying to bed HB’s (hot babes). Basically, it’s about a bunch of guys aiming to score way out of their leagues. The guru of the group is a man named Mystery, who offers advice on the art of seduction using the “find, meet, attract, close” mantra.”
I honestly don’t know what to say. I think for everyone in the community it will be a bad thing. Because, A lot of people in the community worked hard on finding all this information and stuff. And worked hard on these techniques and such. And even though, if you get all these guys using these techniques, they can’t get anywhere if they have no inner game, BUT, it will influence MANY MANY MANY guys to come into the community. And if you think the community is exploding and booming now, YOU AIN’T SEEN NOTHING YET.
But.. I know its going to happen now. The movie is a for sure thing now. And so.. Im actually kind of excited. In fact Im very excited. I can’t wait to see what happens to the whole community, good or bad. I think this will make or break the whole community.
I don’t know. I still don’t know what to say or think. But all I can say is im excited. I hope to hear more comments about your opinions on this whole movie. And about the implications that its going to have that all females are going to be aware of the pick-up community.
Happy living. =)
Man. My current fiance.. When I met her, and a lot of times during our relationship, I used so many of the techniques I learned from Mystery. And now In this movie… I don’t think its a matter of IF she see’s it, its WHEN she see’s it… This is going to be horrible. She’ll know that I got all of this stuff from the community. And not from myself.. This is horrible..
Yea, nice job, dipshit style.
Of course this isn’t about giving to the community is it, it’s all about that pocketbook…
This thread is ridiculous.
I would just like to say that Brad P seems very much for real even though I dont know him personally.
I’ve noted him as he’s one of the better posters these days and his LRs make total sense to someone who knows how thinsg work in field.
I guess that wouldn’t be you.
Also, I’ve never seen him link his site from masf, which I respect.
Doubt the initial post here was him, but if it is, no harm done, I rather than than skipping over pages of pointless bickering.
As time goes on, the comments here resemble those on teen-flooded gaming boards more and more.
And we all know the type that hangs around these.
What ever happened to Men who Seduce sharing insight?
Sad.
J
Ich bin ein berliner
Thanks for putting things in perspective J…
Now open your mouth because I have to take a shit.
Okay, Smelly Jap@yahoo.com using my Name in this blog, Stop saying negitive shit, or i will personally Fuck you up. I am a NCO E6 computer engineer for the US Military. If you really want to fuck with me, i will take it way beyond a blog site. PUA or not, you disrepect me, your looking for trouble.
- Don Won
smellyjap@yahoo.com(under don won ton) imposter posts and beastly80@yahoo.com where registered from the same IP location. I will not tollerate you any longer beast. If this dosn’t stop, i will stick firm to the post i just made.
– Don Won
P.S. Thunder, i suggest you do something before i do.
I am just wondering how much cock Ross has sucked? It’s clear that he swings both ways. Perhaps when he gets wound up good he goes out on the prowl for guys to cum in his Jewish ass.
Oh yea, we forgot, he isn’t allowed out of the house after 10 and can only meet people at book stores. Apparently his mommy doesn’t like him going to bars.
Poor ross. When are you going to come out of the closet jeffries. We all know the only chicks who fuck you are old hags.
Great!
So the army is finally stepping in to clean this mess up, about time.
By the way…
Don won Ton sucks jew dick.
OK, enough flaming!
But what about this disgusting motherfucker who abuses children in third world countries talking about seduction! STOP using the Name Elvis!
Go to Croatia and you will lose most of your Respect for Badboy cause ANY man with some money not looking like TC can pull there, what might it be like in the DR?
Suck some dos weiner, Preston!
The whole community works on the same ideas, refines them and ‘rehashes’ them. Tyler Durden should not have to costantly come up with new flashy techniques so that no-one percieves him as fake, he has workshops and a buisiness to run which probably mean more to him than posting on masf forums. Thundercat, seduction is more important than petty politics and bitching.
who care about TD anyway? The guy is a pathological piece of shit. Anyone so concerned with AMOGs is a paranoid fuck who is scared of his own shadow. He’s a total manipulaitve lying sack of shit, and should we care? Yes, But so are many of the other guys in the community.
I guess these guys were not breast fed enough as babies or they have a small penis syndrome. TD learned from Mystery how to NOT have friends and how to lie, cheat and steal.
who care about TD anyway? The guy is a pathological piece of shit. Anyone so concerned with AMOGs is a paranoid fuck who is scared of his own shadow. He’s a total manipulaitve lying sack of shit, and should we care? Yes, But so are many of the other guys in the community.
I guess these guys were not breast fed enough as babies or they have a small penis syndrome. TD learned from Mystery how to NOT have friends and how to lie, cheat and steal.
This is like, really gay.