Erix5son has a question over on PUAForums concerning the Mystery Method and how to apply it after you’ve “done the deed.”

Erix5son wrote:

So according to Mystery’s method that consists of Attraction, Comfort and seduction how should I play the dating game after the sex already occured?

I am thinking about keeping the comfort with some Tension while on dates or in public and use seduction when having private time with her?

Can somebody comfirm if this is correct/best approach to dating a women after you already had sex with her or give some basic guidelines.

Okay, just to be clear here… if sex has occurred, then you have successfully completed the “seduction” phase of Mystery Method.

Simple, right?

Understand:  The Mystery Method is mostly geared towards the initial “getting women to sleep with you” phase of things.  So you don’t really NEED to use it on a girl you’ve already slept with – unless you failed to establish any rapport with her and just “got lucky” because she was drunk, she just wanted to get laid and didn’t care by whom, or any other factors which might have gotten you the sex but zero inter-personal connection.

So let’s say you did Mystery Method right, and built up the attraction and comfort before you got her into bed.  If that’s the case, then guess what?  Your job is EASY now.

The reason being – sleeping with a girl you’ve already slept with is just a matter of asking her to sleep with you again.  Face it, a girl will justify her reasons for sleeping with you, and once she’s already done it, it’s not a big deal to do it again (unless something horrible happened while she was having sex with you that might make her not want to see you again).  But assuming your first sexual encounter went well, she knows that every time she sees you, the chance of you two having sex again is always there.

So really, after sex, your job is simple – continue to strengthen the connection you’ve made with her (building rapport), and keep flirting.  You don’t have to build attraction again because you’ve already attracted her.  So now, its just about making her feel good and keeping things fun and sexy.  You don’t need to play the “tension” games anymore.  In fact, the only reason to do that is if she’s not totally on the hook by this point.

You also have to take into account what you want to do with this girl – do you want a relationship with her?  Or do you just want to date her, bang her, and still see other people?  The reason being is you’ll have to treat the situation differently depending on what you want.

But the good news is – no matter what you decide, getting her to sleep with you again will be far easier than it was the first time around.  Just remember to keep the communication with her up!  The only sure way to lose a girl after you’ve slept with her is to never talk to her again.

Mystery RIP

Venusian Arts sent out an email this morning informing its entire list of the passing of Erik Von Marchovich, aka “Mystery,” the legendary pick-up artist.

Details were sketchy as to what lead to his untimely demise.

Was it a jealous girl who murdered him in his sleep?

A crazy VH1 executive who just couldn’t deal with him anymore?

Was it the ultimate AMOG?

Did his 600th STD finally catch up with him?

No, it was, in fact, a very poorly executed April Fools Joke.

Mystery is very much alive and well.  Don’t freak out.  He is fine.  It was just a joke.  This has been confirmed.

Its yet another grudge match in the Seduction Lair Arena as a legend of the Pick-Up Community takes on his bitter rival in a fight to the finish.  In this edition of PUA DEATHMATCH, master pick-up artist Mystery takes on his former friend and business partner Nick Savoy of Love Systems!

These two have a long-standing bitter feud concerning their former company Mystery Method, which has been fought out in the courts.  But now, these two men meet in combat in the squared-circle to determine once and for all – who will reign supreme!  With rage in their eyes and revenge in their hearts, these PUAs are playing for keeps!!!!

Who will win?  Who will survive?  Find out, in this edition of PUA DEATHMATCH!

PLEASE NOTE: All matches are orchestrated by the computer, and no one knows the outcome until after the match is completed!  All Deathmatches involve combatants with equal skill level.  No preference is given to any one individual.

Mehow’s whole article is basically a long-winded explanation of how to make offensive “yo momma” jokes to your buddies and pass it off as AMOGing.  What most seduction coaches could have explained in a paragraph, Mehow goes on to convolute and over-rationalize for a good 3 pages (at least!).

Anyway, I thought the article was bad enough that it deserved some commentary.  So if you’re at all interesting in AMOGing, you may be interested in reading a bit further…

Mehow writes:

AMOGing is the technical PUA term for shutting out a competing man in a set.

Many of you are probably surprised that I’m writing an article on AMOGing.

Well…

If you read the Get the Girl! Manual you know that in 99.95% of infield situations all you need to do to AMOG is to ignore the other guy.

Starting with this opening, I already know this article has almost zero credibility.  If there’s a “competing man in a set” as per Mehow’s definition of an AMOG, then ignoring him is pretty much letting him win.  Sure, there may be other guys around you while you game, and its fine to ignore them.  But if there’s an Alpha Male who’s moving in on your target, ignoring him 99.95% of the time only gives you a 0.05% chance to walk away with the girl.

Am I the only one this makes sense to?  After all, if the guy isn’t a threat, he’s not really an Alpha Male is he?  (FYI, AMOG stands for “Alpha Male Other Guy.”)

So if that’s the case, why am I writing this surprise article?

It turns out that, for reasons I’m not ready to reveal quite yet, the implications and use of AMOGing extend far beyond its currently conventional uses. Faced with this new reality, I realized that I had to actually learn how to AMOG.

Yeah, when you’re entire game comes down to acting gay around women, I imagine you run into a lot of other guys trying to pick up on your target.

But I digress…

Live, in the moment AMOGing is something I have a hard time with because:

a) I’m usually surprised that its happening and sort of get a bit started emotionally
b) When emotionally startled, I have a hard time coming back with the perfect comeback in seconds flat.

Translation:  “As soon as my scripted material isn’t applicable, I’m helpless.”

In AMOGing coming back with a perfectly timed and unique cut down in seconds is key. If you stall your response more than a second you are done.

So what is required to execute the perfect AMOG tactic is a simple mental model that allows for quick and easy improvisation. Now, that I’m actually doing AMOGing I had to arrive at that model.

I like how he says all you need is a “simple” model, and then proceeds to make it the most complicated and confusing thing I’ve ever read.

I’ve been carefully studying how the masters of AMOGing do what they do and I have arrived at a very easy to use mental model. Guys I consider really good at this are Kamouflage from our own organization and Matador from Venusians Arts. Matador AMOGs everything for fun:  you, the cat, the dog, your cereal bowl and anything he can get his hands on. Living with him is like having all the benefits of a backwoods Texas high school education without actually having to live in a trailer (if you are paying attention, I just used the technique I’m about to explain to you). All the good AMOGers fuck with each other for fun… its good improv practice and its fun.

You know what I call a guy who AMOGs everything for fun?  An ass hole.

Seriously, who wants to be around someone who is so insecure, he feels the need to constantly put down everything and everybody around him?  THIS is who you want to model?

To me, AMOGing isn’t about being an ass hole.  AMOGing is about DEALING with ass holes!  It’s about putting them in their place and getting rid of them!  A good AMOGer doesn’t fuck with people unless he has to.  Its true friends enjoy busting each other’s balls sometimes, but guys who are constantly doing it are just jerks in my opinion.

(By the way, I’ve met Metador, and I never noticed him constantly AMOGing people.  But then again, I didn’t live with the guy.  But if I lived with Mehow, I might have acted like an ass hole around him too.)

When Kamo and Matador are at their best they always use on particular technique that appears to be an unconscious talent they posses. They use what I’m calling, “hidden AMOG frames.” And based on those frames they freestyle.

I like how Mehow has just renamed “Acting like a jerk” to “hidden AMOG frames.”

WTF is a “hidden” frame?  If someone’s acting like a douche around me, I’m pretty sure I’m gonna notice that, not be like “Gee, this guy who’s tooling me sure is acting all mysterious.  I wish I knew what he was up to!”

Anyway, onto Mehow’s breakdown of what freesylin’ AMOGs like to talk about…

A classic that I heard all the time from Matador at Project Miami is something like:

“Your wife and kids called… they want to know when the heat is going to be back on.”

In field, the above statement implies two things:

1. the person you are talking too is married with wife and kids but out macking on other girls
2. the person you are taking to is broke

Other ways to imply the same two facts above are:

“Brooo, You hustling this girl tooooo HARD for five dolla… the welfare check should take care of your wife and kids.” (do this with a fake southern accent)

“Man… how you gonna pay for the fifth baby.” (more fake southern accent).

A lame way to do it is:

“Why are you, a married guy, out here talking to these girls when you should be working to turn the heat on for your wife and kids?”

The last example isn’t half bad but it doesn’t give emotional value. The 3 examples above it do.

Okay, where to begin…

Apparently, all you have to do to make shit funny in Mehow’s world is say it with a hick southern accent.  Why?  I have no idea.  I guess stuff sounds funnier when you do it like Jeff Foxworthy (even though anyone will tell you that guy has NEVER been funny.)

But I do like how he breaks down the “zinger” potential of these lines.  So if I were to say something like “Yo Mehow, your boyfriend called.  He wanted to warn you the results were positive but the good news is you should stop shitting blood in about a week.” (said, of course, in a Southern Accent… damn, that DOES make it funnier!)

Thus implying:

1. Mehow is a homosexual

2.  Mehow has some type of sexually transmitted disease.

3.  Mehow’s anus has been ravaged by hard core man-on-man lovemaking.

Or, you could make this “hidden frame” simpler just by saying something like:

“It works because you’re making fun of him for acting gay.”

But I guess that’s too obvious to be a “hidden frame.”

The secret to great AMOGing is to give massive emotional value while at the same time cutting down your opponent with “hidden frames.” When AMOGing your opponent should be laughing so hard they have no ability to come back at you with anything.

I’m pretty sure when you joke that a guy’s mother/sister is a cheap whore, they most likely aren’t going to be laughing.  The purpose of AMOGing isn’t to get the AMOG to laugh with you.  It’s to GET RID OF HIM.  Its to make him feel like a tool so badly he retreats.  You don’t want that guys staying around.  If you’re making fun of the guy and he’s laughing, you’re the one being an AMOG.  Not him.

When AMOGing it doesn’t matter what the person just said (although it helps to loosely free associate the cut down to what was just said in some situations) anywhere near as much as you saying something mean and insanely funny. With relevance being a non-requirement all we have to do is improvise from a hidden frame.

What troubles me here is the “mean” part of this sentence.  I don’t know how other guys AMOG, but I never want to come off as “mean.”  In fact, the purpose of AMOGing is to raise your value and highlight the bad behavior of the AMOG to your set!  If you come off as mean, you just lower your value.  Maybe I’m old school, but AMOGing a guy by saying “Dude, you’re cool, I like you.  If you want to sleep with these girls, just let me know and I’ll totally try and help you out.”  You tool him by relegating him to being your buddy who needs your help rather than the “alpha male.”

It sounds to me like Mehow has mistaken people ragging on him for AMOG tactics, because saying soemthing mean in a club is a sure way to start a fight.  And few guys I know learning PUA are insanely funny, so what we have here is an instance of a “guru” teaching guys how to set themselves up for an ass kicking.

I can almost see Mehow getting the shit kicked out of him by a group of frat guys, screaming “But I said it with a Southern Accent!!! Waaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!”

What are “hidden AMOG frames?”

I’ve been asking myself the same question since I started reading this freakin’ article.

Hidden AMOG Frames are the statements you are obliquely making about someone. For example, one hidden frame is that his girl is sleeping with you. But just saying “I’m fucking your girlfriend” isn’t a good AMOG because it is too direct and hence sounds lame and doesn’t give value. The correct way to do this is to improvise a statement of fact that indirectly but strongly implies the hidden frame. Here are some examples of quality AMOG phrases that imply that you are sleeping with his girl:

“Look man… I’d have the time to consider what your saying… if only your girlfriend would stop calling me.”

Or a classic from Lovedrop… whenever he mentions any girl of his you just say, “Did she ask about me?”

Okay, so by “hidden frames” you mean “innuindo?”  As in, you “imply” something in an “indirect way” so that it’s subtly picked up on by those who hear it?  But if people get it, the frame isn’t “hidden” is it?

Let me ask you this – why would you want to imply you’re sleeping with another guy’s girl… IN FRONT OF GIRLS YOU’RE TRYING TO SLEEP WITH????

Because if you’re doing this shit to tool a guy when no other girls are around for him to steal, you’re just being an ass hole!  Or you’re joking around with friends, in which case, WHY DO YOU NEED TO BREAK THIS DOWN LIKE A THESIS PAPER???

Seriously, folks.  Seriously.

Here are some examples of hidden frames and improvised AMOG phrases that imply the frames:

1. He lives in a trailer: “The trailer park called, they are wondering when you are going to pay the rent.” (southern accent)
2. He’s married: “Brooo, you can’t just take your ring off and expect to have game.” (honest advice delivery)
3. He’s addicted: “Hey man, how has the press been treating you since you got out of rehab?” (dominant delivery)
4. Your sleeping with his mom: “Your mom called… she’s wondering if she can spend Christmas with me.” (dominant delivery)

There are many more frames and infinite implementations of those frames.

Okay, let me see if I can improvise my own AMOG phrases…

“Mehow, the IRS called.  They said a failing business is no excuse to not pay taxes.” (southern accent)

“Broooo, you can’t just act gay around women and call it game.” (honest advice delivery)

“Mystery called… he wants you to stop repackaging his stuff and selling it as your own with different names.” (dominant delivery)

Hmmmmm.  You know, maybe I’m getting the hang of this whole “hidden frame” thing?  Or maybe I’ve just perfected being an ass hole.  *shrug*

AMOGing gets funnier and meaner the more frames get implied all at once such as: “Bro .. I would totally sleep with your sister but I don’t have five dollars.” “Your mom… she has low self esteem, she should at least charge a twenty.” Those imply that both a) I’m sleeping with your mom/sister and b) your mom/sister is a cheap hooker.

To AMOG all you need to do is pick a few frames and improvise off that. If you aren’t good at on the spot improvisation then you can use this system to invent your own unique AMOG lines and then use them like sound bites.

Or… OR… if you’re not good at improvisation and some Alpha Male comes up to your target, you can just take the girl by the hand, say “Excuse me,” to the dude, and then lead your woman away from him.

My biggest peeve with this article is that Mehow is making AMOGing seem like it’s a valid choice for interacting with other men, when in fat, its a tool to use to safeguard the work and effort you’ve put into trying to pick up a girl.

Frankly, if you find yourself needing to AMOG a guy more than once every 10 times you go out, you’re probably doing something wrong.  I haven’t had to AMOG anyone in years.

The reason I think Mehow thinks this form of AMOGing is acceptable is probably because he gets picked on constantly by guys in clubs who think he’s gay.  Now, we all know Mehow (probably) isn’t really gay, but when you walk into a club talking with a lisp and a few octaves short of a pair of descended testicles while dressing like a 1990′s metrosexual with badly dyed blond hair, you’re going to run into ridicule from men.

That does NOT mean it’s okay to be mean and run the risk of starting a fight by insulting a guy’s mom or sister.

I will reveal the multiple greater uses of AMOGing pretty soon. For now, those methods are experimental and we’re only teaching them in boot camps.

Um… WHY are you teaching non-field tested EXPERIMENTAL tactics with the potential to get people’s ass kicked at BOOTCAMPS???  What other experimental, non filed-tested shit are you making people pay you to learn???  Why not focus on improving guy’s confidence and teaching them to do well with women BEFORE you go through the trouble of teaching them how to be complete ass holes to other people?

Honestly, teaching this type of crap to poor, unsuspecting students is DANGEROUS and you should be ashamed of yourself, Mehow, for doing so.

Okay, enough ranting.  I’ve already spent way too much time on this.  I’ll just close things off by saying anyone who honestly feels Mehow is someone worth learning from after reading an article like this needs an intervention.  Badly.

Follow this AMOG advice at your own risk.  Just be sure to do it with a southern accent!

2008 was a strange year – for me personally, and for a lot of others, I think.  In many ways, I’m glad the year is over.  But regardless of how good of a year it was, there were many people in the seduction community who continued to rise above petty squabbles and drama and actually help other men improve their lives and their success with women, and this list is a CELEBRATION of those men, who have helped others throughout the past year.

For those of you new to the list, let me explain how the rankings work.  It becomes very easy to get “caught up” in the hype of certain personalities, so I try and rank the Top 10 based on a number of criteria, which I believe must be present to be considered a good “PUA.”  So all of this years winners were ranked based on:

1.  In-Field Performance.  This is basically the skills the PUA displays in the field with women.  Most Top 10s deal with this factor exclusively, but I’ve found that just looking at a guy’s in-field performance can be misleading, since people have off-nights or can get lucky.  That said, their ability to use the techniques in field repeatedly and consistently to get results is a big, big factor in the ranking process.

2.  Innovations.  This is what new outlook or techniques the PUA brings to the table.  It’s easy for any new guy to get good using Mystery Method or any other school of seduction, but then again, that stuff is designed to work!  So being innovative and bringing a new twist, spin, philosophy, technique, or whatever to the mix is also a big deal, because that means the PUA actually has something to contribute to his students and the community as a whole that no one else does.

3.  Teaching Ability.  This is how effectively the PUA can teach what he does to other people, and have them get similar results.  This is another important factor, because it weeds out the people who are just the lucky naturals, and finds the PUAs who have something to offer humanity as a whole.  After all, I don’t care if a guy gets laid a lot.  I care if that guy can get ME laid a lot – and I think the same is true for you.  That is why I factor in the PUA’s ability to teach others into the ranking.

4.  Contributions To The Community.  This is a measure of how much the PUA “gives back” to others in the seduction community.  This factor is all about the PUA’s willingness to help others, the knowledge and experience he’s willing to share, and the compassion he shows to those who need help.  Too many PUAs look down on people not as successful with women as they are, and that’s not what the seduction community is about, so giving back to it should play a factor, in my opinion.

5.  Philosophy.  This comes down to the PUA’s outlook on life, women, and other men in general.  It’s about how they live their lives, and whether they’re consistent with it.  Some PUAs spout great philosophy, but don’t really believe in it or practice it.  But it’s that core foundations which will influence their students, so I believe this is important in factoring the rankings.

6.  Likability.  One of the things I base my ranking on is whether I actually like the PUA or not.  This is a subjective thing, but I feel its important, because there’s usually a reason I don’t like someone, and that reason has to do with them being a fake, fraud, evil bastard, or what have you.  I like to think I have a fairly decent “B.S. Radar,” so when I meet a PUA in person, I can usually tell if they are legit or not after getting to know them, which is why I tend to rank PUAs I have actually met in real life.  If I haven’t met them, I need to get good feedback from at least 3 sources I trust to make the decision to rank them in this category.

Okay, so now that you know how I rank the list, let’s get to it!

The Top 10 PUAs Of 2008!

1.  Brad P.

Choosing the #1 Pick Up Artist of 2008 was a difficult decision, since there were so many great choices, but in the end, I had to give the edge to Brad P.  Last year, I ranked Brad P. as #5, but in 2008 I really got to know Brad better and got to see what he was up to.

First off, I have to say that Brad is, in my opinion, the most prolific PUA working right now.  Not only does the guy have a workshop schedule that would make an Olympic Athlete break down and cry (yes, Brad actually teaches all his workshops himself), he also is able to produce an insane number of products teaching guys everything from planning the perfect date to what kind of clothes to wear out to the club.

Brad also has an excellent course which he calls his 30/30 club.  This is a monthly course where Brad himself actually makes the content – no minions do the work for him – and it is quite excellent.

Brad also is an incredible innovator.  When I first ranked him, I thought he was a borderline Mystery Method clone, but the more I got to learn about his methods, the more I saw that they were very original.  This is a guy who I believe will actually take the community in new and exciting directions in the future.

Brad is also a great teacher.  He has an uncanny knack for explaining what he does to others, and help them to get similar results.  The guy is also not afraid to demonstrate – on demand – his techniques.  Obviously, sometimes Brad crashes and burns (a fact he readily admits), but part of Brad’s charm is that he’s not the “uber guru” who can do the infamous five-out-of-five.  Rather, he’s a normal guy, but he tends to succeed more than he fails, and he does so with incredible creativity and good humor.

Brad is the type of guy who is willing to bend over backwards for his students.  He may be sick, exhausted, and not feel like approaching a girl, but if a student is in trouble, he’ll still push himself to demonstrate and show the guy how its done.

Brad also has a great attitude.  He readily talks about coming from a troubled upbringing which helped him form a very positive outlook on life and a great deal of self discipline.  There is no ego to Brad, which makes him very easy to relate to.  He really is the type of guy men want to be friends with and women want to be with, and he handles it extremely well.

Plus, Brad gets some wicked attractive girls.  It seems like every time I talk to the guy he’s got a different girl coming over, lol.

If you’d like to learn more about Brad P, you can visit his website at www.BradPPresents.com

2.  AFC Adam Lyons

Last year I debuted Adam at #3 in my Top 10 list, but this year he’s moved up to #2.  I must say, it was a hard decision NOT to give the guy the #1 spot this year, since Adam is, without a doubt, one of the hottest up-and-coming stars in the community in my humble opinion.

As some of you are well aware, Adam and I have become good friends since we first met in 2007, and he’s even co-hosted my podcast.  So surely, some people are going to cry fowl that I’m ranking him so highly.  To those people, I say – “If you don’t believe me, believe what you see for yourself.”

Adam has tons and TONS of video out on the internet that proves this guy’s skill.  Everything from a one-minute kiss close to getting a threesome, all with girls most guys would cut their right arm off to get a shot at.

Adam is, for lack of a better word, absolutely crazy.  He is the “mad genius” of pick up, willing to do whatever just to see if it works, so as an innovator, he’s at the top.  Most of this stems from the fact that Adam, more than any other PUA I’ve met, likes to have FUN, and as we all know, fun is attractive to women!

Speaking of which, Adam has been criticized by some because he’s one of the prominent PUAs out there with a real, live girlfriend.  The typical argument is “How can a guy with a girlfriend possibly teach me how to get girls?”  Well, speaking from experience, relationship game is like the uber-high-level mark of a master PUA, so a guy who’s in a healthy relationship with a girl is probably more qualified to teach others about women than most love-em-and-leave-em PUAs.

Adam has also been hard at work teaching workshops all over the world, and is a staple in the lairs and various events within the community.  This probably makes him the most accessible PUA out there for many.  He’s a prolific poster, and he’s willing to meet pretty much anyone.

Adman’s new website, AttractionExplained.com, is just getting going, but it’s sure to be a great resource with Adam teaching everyone through video instruction.  In fact, Adam has also appeared on a number of other products released in 2008 – none of which were his own!  So its obvious that not only does he have a lot to offer, but we’ve only scratched the surface of what Adam is going to be contributing to the community.

And when it comes to his students, very few others inspire such loyalty and devotion.  The fact is, much like Brad P., Adam’s students actually get RESULTS, which is the best indicator of whether a PUA is legit.  Adam’s “no game” game is easy to learn, effective, and super-fun to do.

Adam is also a great guy, who’s always got something fun and positive to say.  That great attitude, combined with his skills as a teacher and a pick up artist, make him one of the best out there in my opinion.  It will be interesting to see how he fares in 2009, especially against the likes of Brad P.

Learn more about Adam at www.AttractionExplained.com

3.  Style

Yes, what Top 10 list would be complete without the Godfather himself – Style!  I’m sure you’re all aware of my undying fondness of Neil and his skills, having ranked the man as #1 almost consistently since I started the Top 10 back in 2004.  Last year he lost out to Mystery, slipping to #2, and this year he drops one more point to #3.

But make no mistake – I was seriously considering ranking Style at #1 this year again.  After all, if you had a No-Holds-Barred Steel Cage match between Style, Brad P, and AFC Adam, I am convinced the only man left standing at the end would be Neil.  The sheer skill level this man has in social situations dwarfs anything seen by either Brad P. or Adam.

But alas, this ranking is not just about skill.  One of the unfortunate side-effects of being one of “the best” in the game is that you’ll naturally withdraw from the mere mortals who got you there in the first place.  Style was marginally quiet in 2008, mostly because he was writing some new books that had nothing to do with the Game.

However, through his Stylelife company, he still contributed a number of great works, and his seminars were amazing – crossing the “community” barrier to bring in speakers for various different aspects of a guy’s life, like health, fitness, work, time management, etc.

Neil also continues to pull some of the hottest girls I’ve ever seen, and considering that he’s getting older, not growing any more hair on his head, and still isn’t winning any modeling contracts, says a great deal about the guy.

I know Style has gotten a lot of flack recently – mostly from Barry Kirkey, but a good bit from Stephane and other haters as well – but darn it!  I still like the guy!  And I think he’s got a lot to offer others, when he wants to.  Probably the reason I ranked him at #3 is because Style is not as forthcoming as he used to be when it comes to interacting with the community, and we’ve seen very little innovation from the guy in 2008 (though he usually keeps his new stuff to himself, to be fair).

Regardless, there is still no one better in the community to study and learn from than Style, in my humble opinion.  I am still amazed at this guy’s skill, and he was just narrowly beat out this year by two rising stars.

Learn more about Style at:  www.StyleLife.com

4.  Mystery

Like Style, no Top 10 list would be complete without Mystery!  The original Grandmaster Poo-Ah of the community is still alive and kicking, though he did drop out of the #1 spot from last year down to number four.  Why such a drop?

Well, I don’t think anyone can argue that 2007 was Mystery’s year.  But 2008 saw very little of the man.  The second season of his TV show came and went without much fan fare, the only major product his company released wasn’t even made by him, and he lost the lawsuit against his former business partner, and his company was forced to admit they misrepresented their claims against them.

On the brighter side of things, Mystery actually was back out in the field teaching workshops again, however, because of his celebrity the argument can be made that he doesn’t have to work too hard at it anymore.

Plus, we have seen almost NOTHING new from Mr. Marchovich in 2008.  He’s still dressing in the same clothes he was three years ago, he’s still teaching the same method he was back in the day, and very little has changed.

However, when it comes to pure raw talent with the ladies, personality, and teaching, it is hard to say there is anyone better than Mystery.  The guy pioneered many of the techniques that have been used and co-opted in other people’s systems.  In fact, I’d say that about 85% of all the material taught out there can be traced back to Mystery.  So even if he falls short on innovation, he’ll always have a solid standing because of the fact that almost everything taught in the community stems from his teachings.

I would really like to see Mystery contribute more to the community in 2009, and have him show us something new.  I think if he could do that, he could re-claim the top spot next year.

To learn more about Mystery, please visit:  www.VenusianArts.com

5.  Sinn

Yes, we have a new edition to the list this year!  The one-and-only (well, the one and only with two “n”s in his name) Sinn!

2008 saw Sinn break away from his position as Top Instructor at the Love Systems company, and break out on his own.  Since then, the guy has been firing up a storm of controversy, not only with hilarious (and sometimes instructional) videos, but also with his willingness to talk smack about pretty much everybody he hates in the community.

Despite the firestorm around him, I have heard amazing things about Sinn.  I’ve met him once and talked to him on the phone a few times, but its what I hear from a number of trusted sources that really makes me sit up and take notice of this guy.

Just glancing at his amazing blog, you can see the knowledge and skill this guy has, and his contributions to the community seemingly never end.  His core foundations are still in Mystery Method, but he is taking it to new and exciting places.  (Like, the bathroom, for instance.  LOL)

I also hear very good things about his skill as an instructor.  The students who train with him seem to almost always have glowing reviews about their experiences.

I was really looking forward to hanging out with the guy in a more social atmosphere in 2009.  Unfortunately, when he was in town, I was called away because of a death in my family, and that never happened.  But Sinn, if you want to come and party for a weekend in LA, you got my number bro.

Frankly, I think Sinn has the potential to be a real player in the next Top 10 list for 2009.  If you’d like to learn more about Sinn, you can go to:  SinnsOfAttraction.com

6.  Swinggcat

Down from #4 last year is Swinggcat.  Why the two-point drop?  Well, the biggest reason is because of Swinngcat’s lack of participation in the community.  2008 saw one new product release, no new articles, no forum posts, no blog entries, and no appearances at any community events.

In fact, the only reason for ranking Swinggcat at all for 2008 is based on his skill as a PUA.  Other than Brad P, I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone who goes out to pick up women as much.  The sheer number of women passing through Swinggcat’s bed night after night is mind boggling.  If the guy ever decideds to write a book detailing every sexual encounter he has, I’ll be the first in line to buy it, because when he tells me about them in person, they are the most funny, fascinating, and interesting examples of master attraction game you can ever hear.

The fact remains that there are very few people in the community as talented as Swinggcat when it comes to generating attraction with a girl at will.  The man is an evil genius.  I believe he updated his ebook in 2008 to reflect the changes he’s made to his game, so he trying to make an attempt to keep teaching the best he has to offer, I just wish he’d be a little more outgoing with his students.

If you’d like to learn more about Swinggcat, you can go to:  www.RealWorldSeduction.com

7.  Cajun

Another new face on the Top 10 this year is Love Systems instructor Cajun.  I must admit, I have never met Cajun in person, but the buzz surrounding him is louder than a passing freight train.

I was scheduled to speak at the Love System’s superconference in 2008, and Cajun was one of the guys I was secretly very interested in meeting.  Unfortunately, my grandfather passed away, and his funeral was the weeked I was scheduled to attend the event, so I missed out on my opportunity.

That said, I’ve found it hard to find someone who’s had anything BAD to say about Cajun and his skills.  The first example Nick Savoy gave me of the quality of Love System’s instructors was Cajun, and he’s appeared on numerous television shows flaunting his skills.

Not only that, but his students seem very impressed with him.  I’ve been reading workshop reviews of the guy, and I’m hard pressed to find one that didn’t have good things to say.

Could Cajun be a player in 2009?  Quite possibly.  I really want to keep a good eye on him and see what he has to offer.

You can learn more about Cajun at: www.LoveSystems.com

8.  David Wygant

I struggled with whether or not to put David Wygant on the list this year.  The man will be the first to admit that he isn’t a “pick up artist,” so to speak.  And there are some traits about him that worry me a little.  However, I cannot argue that the man has game.

First of all, David is probably the OLDEST person on this list, being in his mid-to-late 40s.  Yet, he still is able to get some very attractive women.  The guy is also Mr. Charisma.  Give him a minute to talk your ear off, and you can’t help but be enraptured by the guy.

Out of all the people on the list, David Wygant is most like “Hitch” from the movie.  He doesn’t do bootcamps, focusing on the one-on-one dating doctor style.  David puts more of a focus on Day Game, and meeting women naturally as you go about your life.  He tends to stay out of the bar/club scene (a factor which is older clients really love).  In fact, he says the best place to meet women is while waiting in line!

Probably the biggest reason I decided to rank David in this year’s list is because 2008 saw him actively reaching out to the Seduction Community.  He’s begun to be more involved, not only as a guest speaker at seminars, but also in other people products, making a notable appearance in videos created by both Mehow and Johnny Wolf.

The one criticism I have of David’s game is that I’ve found he tends to rely too much on his dog as prop.  Seriously, he takes his dog EVERYWHERE.  His typical MO is to sit outside with his dog at a coffee shop and wait for girls to come up and start playing with his pooch.  That’s not to say he can’t get a girl without the dog, he certainly can, but this just seems like a lazy technique to me.

That being said, there is no denying David’s skill as both a PUA and a teacher.  His website is full of great information, ranging from his blog to his product.  David is also notable because he gives free lifetime email support to his clients.  The man spends most of his time on his Blackberry answering questions from frazzled clients, fer crying out loud.

I can also see David really striking a chord with the older crowd in the community, since he’s probably the oldest guy out there (legitimately) teaching this stuff.

You can find out more about David at:  www.DavidWygant.com

9.  Zan

Another mainstay on the Top 10 is Zan, who drops this year to #9 from #7.  Why the drop?  Well, its not because Zan has gotten worse or diminished in skill in any way.  Its just that there were 8 others who I felt had more to contribute than Zan did in 2008.

The fact remains that Zan is still one of my all-time favorite teachers of the art of seduction.  You’ll be hard pressed to find a man more awesome than Zan.  The dude is always positive, always glowing with great energy, and always supportive.  I honestly don’t think I’ve ever met anyone who did NOT like Zan, which is quite a feat considering the politics in the seduction community.

When it comes to philosophy and life outlook, Zan is hands-down #1.  His attitude puts all the others to shame.  The only reason to rank Zan so low is because his strengths as a PUA are SO philosophical, they are hard to teach.  That’s not to say Zan can’t teach them – he does, and quite well I might add.  But someone who does not have good confidence in themselves will be hard-pressed to put them into action.

Zan is also the second oldest person on the list, yet I always see him with very attractive young women.  I’m sure most of you know Zan is famous for having 6 girlfriends, all at one time, who knew about each other AND had sex with each other (and him of course).  Very few PUAs can inspire that kind of behavior in women, and Zan is one of them.

Zan was also very busy traveling in 2008, making appearances at a number of community events.  Zan has always been great at “giving back” to other guys, even when there’s nothing in it for him, which makes him a superstar in my book.  Hopefully, I’ll be able to rank him higher next year.

To learn more about Zan, you can visit:  www.EnlightenedSeduction.com

10.  Nick Savoy

Again, probably another PUA I’d rank higher on the list if I had gotten more of a chance to check him out inn action this past year.  I’ve known Nick for some time, but never really thought of him as a PUA until recently.  Now that he is no longer in Mystery’s shadow, he’s stepped up to shine as a pick up artist in his own right.

Savoy is another PUA who has a girlfriend, who is also a porn star (though I don’t know if she’s just a girl who does porn, or who is actually a well-known adult actress).  So the fact that he can actually have a relationship with a girl who works in a crazy industry like that says a lot about his ability to regulate his relationship when he needs to.

Savoy also put on two super-conferences for Love Systems in 2008, which is a great way to give back to the community.  His operation of the Love Systems company has really given a lot of positive light to the seduction community, such as his famous appearance on the Dr. Phil show, which made him look like an angel when compared to the vile Mine’99.

Savoy is also known for picking up a runway model at the Playboy mansion in 2008, and he’s also getting a reputation for threesomes as well.  Hopefully, if all goes well in 2009, I’ll get to see his game for myself and give him a more fair ranking next year.  But right now, I have to rely on what I hear.

To learn more about Savoy, you can go to:  www.LoveSystems.com

Other Notable 2008 Milestones

Best Community Portal:  Revolution 31

2008 gave us the rise of Barry Kirkey.  Some may think that’s actually a BAD thing, but gosh darn it, I still laugh my ass off at Barry, even when he’s giving me some undeserved shit.  But you can’t deny that no one has taken the scene by storm like Barry has.  His goof of a podcast quickly turned into the undeniable center of community drama.  His shows range from brilliant to barely listenable, but his genius as a commentator and humorist never fails to come through.  That, and the fact that he’s actually got the discipline to put on a full blown show every day is nothing short of astounding.

Best New Pick Up Artist:  Psych

I never heard of Psych until this past year, but since then I’ve heard nothing but good things.  His videos lampooning RSD’s Alex are things of legend, and his skills have been touted to me by more than a few people who’s opinions I trust.  I hope 2009 will bring us more of him.

Best Product Of 2008:  Brad P’s 30/30 Club

Okay, aside from my own products (hey, I’m biased, so sue me!) I thought the hands down, best product of 2008 was the release of Brad P’s 30/30 club.  Seriously, this course is one of the best, most intense training for in-field pickup that probably exists in the community.  And it just seems to be getting better month to month.  I can’t help but wonder – how will Brad P top this in 2009?  How will ANYBODY top this in 2009?  I guess we shall see.

Best Community Drama: Stephane’s Meltdown

2008 saw a number of amazing dramas unfold, but none better than the meltdown of Stephane and Ideagasms.  I don’t think anything comes close to hearing about the relationship meltdown of the so-called “Spiritual Guy,” him being revealed to be an abusive, drug addled fraud, his ex girlfriend running around causing him to post insanely psychotic jealous rants on his blog, and his lame attempts to justify his behavior.  Not since the Mine’99 Vs. The Return Of Bishop have I had as much fun watching someone self-destruct.  Let’s just hope Stephane stays in Canada and can’t get his hands on a gun anytime soon.

Contest Winners

Craziest Drama Winner:  Paul

Paul had a great write-up about the RSD drama with Alexander and his infamous “Oy, Minger” video.  Congratulations, Paul, you win $100!  Email me for info on how to collect.

Paul wrote:
The biggest drama has happened when Alexander of RSD released his infamous demonstration of what the skillset of RSD instructors really look like.

Here is the video they have repeatedly tried to hide from the public:

http://video.google.es/videoplay?docid=3582779967328566084&ei=LZVjSciFBqXy2wK5mv3LAQ&q=alexander+rsd

This created so much drama in Papa’s head, that he actually contacted youtube to notify copyright infringement (which is stupid, but whatever). This actually caused Donovan from over at Seductionchronicles to lose his youtube account.:)

In case someone wants to review all the drama all that video created over at RSDNation, here you can read the closed thread where Alexander defends the video.
He is so full of shit, that even some of the RSD sheeps had to call him out,lol.

http://www.rsdnation.com/showthread.php?t=26581

Summary: Biggest drama of 2008 is the Alexander video, which finally proved the level of competence of all the RSD crew: ZERO.

Cheers,

Paul

Best New PUA Winner:  J

J made a fantastic case for Glen P. as the best new PUA of 2008.  Congratulations, J!  You win $100!  Email me for info on how to collect.

J wrote:
Glenn P is the best new PUA. I don’t think he’s new in terms of the community, but for blowing up this year…it’s got to be him since Brad’s company just blew up too. He’s Brad P’s coach out here in NYC. He’s made a name for himself based on his reputation…he rarely post on the boards if ever…he’s been idle and only works with Brad’s 30/30 members now. Each of his workshops sell out and his reviews are great. I’ve worked with him and he pretty much runs the workshop for 6-8 guys with assistant coaches helping along the way.

Why do I think he’s so good? Well his postings are all value add. He replied to people’s post. I’ve actually used his eye contact post http://www.theattractionforums.com/discussion/62542-eye-contact-2.html

Every guy that gets into the community is scared of the hottest girls – he has a post on that too! http://www.theattractionforums.com/discussion/62249-pua-advice-needed-hb6s-7s-10s-how-move-up.html

He has a bunch of podcast on ApproachAnxiety and audio field reports of him in action from opening, to flirting, to closing. I could put them here but you need to dig and look this guy up cause he’s the real deal.

His workshops consistently help guys get laid or push them far beyond their limits. He’s a very spiritual guy and has a successful career…he’s definitely doing this for the self-help aspect of it for the guys out there. Glenn was once like us. But he’s worked hard and has even contributed to LoveSystems Routine’s Manual coming up with some new stuff.

Also, he does lair lectures. I hear lots of guys get something out of them. You can see his reviews: http://www.nycsargeteam.com/showthread.php?t=277&highlight=glennp

If he’s not the best new PUA, he’s definitely on his way to the rankings if he keeps his eyes on the prize…but I don’t think he really even cares…

So to summarize
Head coach for unknown company that just made it BIG
Sells out his workshops
Gets mad respect from the community
His post are value add. He doesn’t post to brag. Even his audio field reports give value…plus who else has posted audio field reports that are over 20 minutes long??
Self help guru – cares about students success
Taught by one of the best PUAs out there right now, Brad P
Rates are reasonable given his reputation

If you don’t know who he is yet…you will in 2009.

Best Product Winner: Twice

Twice made a great case for a product which I too thought was the best of 2008 (excluding my own products, of course! which was Brad P’s 30/30 club.  Congrats Twice!  You win $100!  Email me for details on how to collect.

Twice wrote:
I was an AFC, i’d been reading almost everything out there, i can say i was addicted
to any PUA product, Inner Game, Outer Game, Cold Approach, warm approach, club game, attraction, comfort, everything…results? NONE

Then i “met” online a Guy, actually i’ve just found his site, and it was written that in one month it was going to begin a new program…i fill the form and…WOW it was just amazing!! i’m still doing it, but i’d benn with some number closes, one kiss and one fuck close in 4 months…now after 9 months i’ve had 2 new girls in 6 days, and so many are waiting for

which product? Brad’s P. Club 30/30, it’s just open mind on everything, you take it, you’ll change your life! Every month you work on an aspect of your game, Identity, Fashion , Body language, voice tone, social freedon. one night stand, club game, one month one Big Goal!! with Brad, Glenn and the online coaches who helped you about everything.

The single ebook i consider the best one is with no doubt…”The adventures of Brad P.” the best lay report ever!!

Every info about it is on http://www.bradppresents.com/home.html and

cheers

Well, there you go, dear reader.  I hope you enjoyed this year’s list!  Be sure to tune in again next year when I unveil the Top 10 of 2009.