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		<title>Meeting Older Women</title>
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<p>Meeting a woman who&#8217;s older than you can actually be quite a good way to meet a fantastic partner.&nbsp; Usually, older women are much more experienced, not only in relationships, but also in the bedroom.</p>
<p>So <a href="http://www.artofapproaching.com/meeting-older-women.php">meeting older women</a> can actually teach you a ting or two &#8211; not only about relationships, but also about what you&#8217;re really looking for in a partner.</p>
<p>So the real question is:</p>
<p>Are you interested in dating a woman who&#8217;s older than you are?</p>
<p>Do you find older women more attractive than their younger counterparts?</p>
<p>Well, my friend, you are not alone!</p>
<p>Older women are much more &quot;mature&quot; and experienced in the ways of love. They&#8217;ve usually had a lot of practice dealing with men, and know their way around the bedroom.</p>
<p>They can also be MUCH easier to deal with than younger women, who can tend to be a little &quot;high maintenance.&quot;</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re a man in your mid-to-late 20s who&#8217;s mostly been with women in their late teens and early 20s, dating a woman in her 40s can be a real treat for you!</p>
<p>They tend to be more mature and less selfish вЂ“ sexually, and in just about every other way вЂ“ than the women you&#8217;re used to dating. And if you&#8217;re not looking for anything serious, the chances are higher that they&#8217;re not either, if they&#8217;re just past child-bearing age.</p>
<p>In that way, they&#8217;re kind of like a lot of women in their mid-20s and younger, who don&#8217;t feel compelled to start a family in the way that single women who&#8217;ve hit 28 or 29 do. By the time a single woman reaches that age range, she&#8217;s more likely to feel that now&#8217;s the time to act if she&#8217;s ever going to have children.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s because she&#8217;s not getting any younger, and she feels less attractive than she was when she was in her early 20s. In her mind, it&#8217;s only going to get harder to find a great man she can settle down with.</p>
<p>(By the way, a lot of women at this stage make a mistake that a lot of men make their entire lives: they get desperate. Some women actually repel men because of their desire to get into a serious relationship sooner than the man is comfortable with. And a lot of women at this stage will settle for a man who they&#8217;re not compatible with, but who will end up fulfilling their need to have a family.)</p>
<p>So how can you start meeting older women?</p>
<p>Well, there are lots of options.&nbsp; But first, I&#8217;d like to point out that if you&#8217;re looking to go to trendy nightclubs or bars, chances are, you won&#8217;t find any there.</p>
<p>Most older women will tend to frequent more low-key establishments.&nbsp; Bars in classy hotels, for instance.&nbsp; Or cocktail hours at certain restaurants which serve alcohol.</p>
<p>Many of the best places to meet older women are places you&#8217;d go during your daily errands.&nbsp; Places like the grocery store, for instance, or the mall.&nbsp; Anyplace women go to shop.&nbsp; Coffee shops in the morning and afternoon are good venues as well, since many older women will stop there on their way to and from work.</p>
<p>But the best place to meet older women, in my opinion, is online.</p>
<p>Many older women have kids or jobs, which doesn&#8217;t leave them much time to socialize, so many of them will go online looking for dates.&nbsp; Places like Match.com, eHarmony, and even MySpace are fantastic venues for meeting older women.</p>
<p>But there are problems with dating older women. You may not be as mature as she is, which can be a problem for both of you. And the age difference can become rather awkward should you decide to get married: If there&#8217;s a 15-year age difference between you, then she&#8217;ll be 50 when you&#8217;re 35!</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s not to say that you shouldn&#8217;t meet and date an older woman. It can be a great experience for you, if you&#8217;re aware of the potential issues that can arise in the relationship.</p>
<p>So whether you want to meet older women, younger women, or women your own age, you should take some time to sign up for my free Meet Women crash course.</p>
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<p>Wishing you success,</p>
<p>Joseph Matthews<br />Author of The Art Of Approaching Women </p>
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		<title>How To Pick Up Women At The Gym Successfully</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some guy named VenusianArtist (not sure if he&#8217;s affiliated with Mystery&#8217;s new website or what) wrote up a great post over on <a href="http://www.fastseduction.com/discussion/fs?action=9&amp;boardid=2&amp;read=67631&amp;fid=16">mASF</a> about how to pick up women at the gym.&nbsp; Check it out:</p>
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<blockquote><p><strong>VenusianArtist writes:</strong><br />The gym is a gold mine<br />
for HBs! It&#8217;s full of women who take care of themselves and have high<br />
social value. Most of them are half naked, so you get a good view of<br />
their body up front. Plus, unlike nightclubs, there is actually<br />
lighting so you can see what they look like! And you are not battling<br />
beer goggles (hopefully)!!</p>
<p>A lot of PUAs stay away from sarging at the gym for a number of<br />
reasons. Common deterents, fears, and SPs I have about in previous<br />
posts on gym sarging are:</p>
<p>1. Awkwardness for the rest of your membership if it goes badly.<br />2. Pre-rejection (opposite of pre-selection) to all other HB witnesses at the gym that day.<br />3. Feeling too grose and sweaty to sarge.<br />4. Coming off as rude by interupting her workout.<br />5. Her assuming you are hitting on just by talking to her even if you are not!<br />6. Most girls wear headphones.</p>
<p>I can guarentee you, there are ways around all of these limitations.</p>
<p>There have been a number of suggestions and successful field reports<br />
here and on other boards. Definitely some good advice in previous posts<br />
and proof that sarging successfully at the gym is possible. However, I<br />
have tried just about everything with little success until recently.<br />
Over the years I have had the advantage of switching gyms every year or<br />
two, so I have been able to try some weird stuff without much<br />
akwardness endured later on. After a rough stretch, I have finally put<br />
together enough material to do well.</p>
<p>99% of guys at the gym approach by trying to show the HB how to do<br />
an exercise or change their form. The advantage to this approach is<br />
teaching is a DHV in itself, so immediately you are demonstrating<br />
value. This works for certain HBs, especially girls that are new to<br />
weight training. It has worked a few times for me, but it does little<br />
to set me apart from the AFCs and it definitely does not work for HBs<br />
that actually know their way around the gym. </p>
<p>My way around that is to understand and acknowledge that she gets<br />
approached by meat-heads all the time. Show her that you understand her<br />
perspective by saying: &#8216;Hey the last thing I want to be like is one of<br />
those guys trying to pick up girls by showing them how to do an<br />
exercise, but let me show you something my friend showed me to make<br />
that exercise a little more effective.&#8217; Another tactic is to mockingly<br />
show her an exercise as if you are making fun of the guys that do that.<br />
Take an overly macho pose and use a fake-sounding low voice so she<br />
knows that you are not being serious. After showing her the exercise,<br />
say something like &#8216;So is there where I go for the phone number?&#8217; Then<br />
crack a smile. That opens up for questions like: &#8216;So how often does<br />
that happen to you?&#8217; OR &#8216;What is the weakest line a guy has used on you<br />
in the gym?&#8217;</p>
<p>With fit girls, who are my normal targets, I have had the most<br />
success taking the exact opposite approach to teaching her. It&#8217;s so<br />
simple and works almost every time. There are limitations, but this<br />
technique has been the best of all I have tried. I ask HER to teach ME<br />
something. You may think it is AFC or whatever, but this has the same<br />
effect as an opinion opener. I start by rooting the opener to show her<br />
that I know about the subject and I am just looking for her to teach me<br />
something new. This is field-tested and works more often than not for<br />
me. As long as you keep a strong frame and body language, you will<br />
communicate all the right things. For example:</p>
<p>Notice a girl that is wearing varsity athletic gear or just looks<br />
like an athlete/dancer (based on her physique or the exercises she is<br />
doing). I&#8217;ve done this successfully 15-20 times now. Last month, I met<br />
a track girl and it went something like this&#8230;</p>
<p>Me: Hey are you on the track team by any chance?<br />HB: Yes.<br />Me:<br />
Awesome. Listen, I am in a rush today, so I need to finish up my<br />
workout soon. But I have been trying for the longest time to find some<br />
good plyometrics to develop my fast twitch fibres and quickness. Did<br />
your coach or trainer give you any exercises that you could show me<br />
quickly?<br />HB: Yeah for sure.</p>
<p>She went on to show the exercise. After the exercise demonstration,<br />
I will usually give a backhanded compliment or a compliment with a soft<br />
neg/release. Example:</p>
<p>Me: Wow. Fit and smart. You are like every woman&#8217;s fantasy. A jock<br />
with brains&#8230; except for the whole being a woman thing [smile]. That&#8217;s<br />
awesome. I am going to try that out for sure. I have to get back to my<br />
workout. Thanks. I&#8217;ll see you around.</p>
<p>The next day I saw her, I thanked her and got her name. Usually, I<br />
tell an amusing story about the exercise(s), the progress I&#8217;ve made,<br />
and maybe some playful negs. Might ask a rapport-building question or<br />
two. Example:</p>
<p>Me: Hey, I tried that exercise you showed me the other day. It hurt<br />
like hell the next day and I have gotten zero results so far. Are you<br />
sure you are on the track team?<br />HB (laughing): Yes.<br />Me: I&#8217;m only kidding. It&#8217;s actually a cool exercise. You know what I discovered? Have you ever tried it like this&#8230; <br />[Then<br />
I demonstrate some way of modifying the exercise to work other muscle<br />
groups. Ideally, I work in some kino by touching the body part that my<br />
modified exercise works] &#8211;&gt; NOW YOU ARE TEACHING HER!<br />NOTE to newbies: Be sure to know your stuff at the gym so the modification actually makes sense!<br />HB: No, I haven&#8217;t tried that<br />Me: You&#8217;re welcome. Figured I owed you one&#8230; sorry what&#8217;s your name?<br />HB: Kim<br />Me: Alright, Kim, have a good workout.<br />HB: Thanks. You too.</p>
<p>Ended the thread, went back to my workout and reopened later taking an interest in her this time:</p>
<p>Me: So what are your events?<br />HB: 200 and 400 meters.<br />Me: Wow.<br />
I ran those a bit in high school. It always amazed me how long 400<br />
meters felt, especially after running 100s or 200s. It literally felt<br />
like the race was never going to end! I&#8217;ve gotta give you some props<br />
for that. [fist pump]<br />HB: Yeah, it&#8217;s a tough event for sure.<br />NOTE: I am friends with and have gamed enough track athletes that I know a bit about this sport, and that definitely helps!<br />Me: Hey, did you hear about that amputee sprinter from South Africa that is trying to qualify for the regular olympics?<br />HB: No<br />Me: He&#8217;s amazing. He&#8217;s running a 10.9 100!&#8230; etc<br />NOTE:<br />
True story and very interesting. If possible, mention a cool story<br />
that&#8217;s in the news about her sport. Very nice touch for adding some<br />
rapport.</p>
<p>Nice compliment/disqualifier to use: <br />&#8216;You seem like you have a<br />
lot going for you. If I wasn&#8217;t so against meeting women at the gym, I<br />
have probably asked for your number by now.&#8217;</p>
<p>The next few approaches I will normally mix up casual &#8216;hello&#8217;s with<br />
a bit of DHVs, rapport, and qualifying. I also chat other HBs regularly<br />
at the gym for some preselection effect. Usually, after 15 to 30 min of<br />
total elasped sarging, I will get a day 2 or number close.</p>
<p>Same technique works for:</p>
<p>1. Dancers -&gt; ask about good stretches for your back or something<br />2. Runners -&gt; ask about interval training, or time goal vs. distance goal training <br />3. Just about any other athletic girl. Just think of a type of training that they do that you might be interested in learning. </p>
<p>If you are not sure what she is training for, just make a guess. If<br />
you are wrong, just tell her that she really looks serious about her<br />
fitness and ask her something about her program anyways.</p>
<p>Other types of gym openers that work:</p>
<p>1. Compliments (eg., This is going to break my rule of not meeting<br />
women at the gym, but I could not help but notice you. I am completely<br />
captivated by you and I just had to ask if you were blessed with<br />
amazing fitness genes or if you worked really hard to look as good as<br />
you do.)<br />2. Funny statements/questions (eg., Anchorman quote: &#8217;1001,<br />
1002, 1003. Oh it burns! It&#8217;s a deep burn. So deep. Oh I can bearly<br />
lift my right arm cuz I did so many. I don&#8217;t know if you heard me<br />
counting. I did over a thousand. Tuesdays arms and back. You have your<br />
ubulous muscle, which attaches to your upper dorsimus. It&#8217;s boring but<br />
it&#8217;s my life.&#8217;)<br />3. Ambiguous statments (like backhanded compliments)<br />4. Questions (eg., asking to work in on a machine)<br />5. Giving advice (see above)<br />6. Asking advice/opinion (see above)<br />7. Role-playing and games (eg., Asking girls on treadmills: &#8216;Hey, wanna race?&#8217;. Credit: FratGuy 03/11/07)<br />8.<br />
Quick hook and introduction (eg., Point to a sweat spot on a machine<br />
and say &#8216;Wow, I can&#8217;t believe there are still people that don&#8217;t clean<br />
the machine after using it.&#8217; Then clean it and say: &#8216;You know I don&#8217;t<br />
think I have met you yet. What&#8217;s your name?&#8217;)<br />9. Joking insults/teasing (eg., telling a REALLY fit girl she needs to work harder)<br />10. Offering AI&#8217;s (eg., &#8216;That&#8217;s a good colour for you.&#8217; &#8211; refering to her shirt)</p>
<p>Tips for girls with headphones:</p>
<p>- tap her and open normally or ask:<br />PUA: Hey, do those headphones work?<br />HB: Yeah, why?<br />PUA:<br />
No I mean do they keep guys from talking to you in the gym? Because a<br />
lot of women have been hitting on me lately, I think I might have to<br />
try those out.<br />(credit: Antman)</p>
<p>Advice for reframing your beliefs for gym sarges or any potentially awkward situation (credit: Mike)</p>
<p>In situations like this that involve a potentially awkward approach, think to yourself:<br />1. Will she think this is awkward? Yes.<br />2. Will this awkwardness cause her to feel nervous and maybe a bit intimidated? Yes.<br />3. Is her being in a position of nervousness a situation I can capitalize on? Yes.</p>
<p>Guidelines of sarging at the gym:</p>
<p>1. Smell your best. Don&#8217;t be stinky. Seems simple enough, but how<br />
often have you seen a dude at the gym that smells like a moldy<br />
jockstrap? It&#8217;s because he can&#8217;t smell himself! Neither can you. No one<br />
can! So double check every now and then.<br />2. Look your best. Don&#8217;t<br />
wear wife-beater tank tops&#8230; especially if they have stains! Wearing<br />
colour-coordinated gear helps DHV on its own.<br />3. Wait for right<br />
time. Don&#8217;t sarge a woman in the middle of an exercise or while she is<br />
being instructed by a personal trainer. The best situations are<br />
stretching, on way out, on treadmills, in between sets, or by the water<br />
fountain.<br />4. Be social with everyone around the gym. Make friends<br />
with women, men, and staff. This provides some pre-selection and<br />
demonstrates that it is normal for you to talk to people. Open guys by<br />
asking for a spot, ask about an exercise, joke about the weight he&#8217;s<br />
using when he is lifting a huge amount &#8216;light day, huh?&#8217;&#8230; give him a<br />
head nod or say &#8216;what&#8217;s up?&#8217; next time you see him. <br />5. The basic<br />
principles of the approaching apply to gym approaches (smile,<br />
non-direct angle of shoulders, body rocking, false time constraint, etc)<br />6.<br />
Make the false time constraint a point of emphasis. Be sure to tell her<br />
you are in rush to back to your workout. Wearing a stopwatch around<br />
your neck and glacing at it during the convo is a great non-verbal<br />
time-constraint. It&#8217;s also great for timing your rest in between sets.<br />
(Credit: rockdon)<br />7. Use some kino in your routines, but avoid<br />
touching with body parts that are overly sweaty, like your palms. Fist<br />
pumps and touching over the clothing (rather than skin to skin) work<br />
well.<br />8. Do the sarge in pieces. Open and approach on day 1 to gain<br />
familiarity. Focus on boosting value and rapport in small doses each<br />
day after that.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s it. Enjoy!</p>
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<p>Good stuff.&nbsp; Next time I&#8217;m at the gym, I&#8217;ll have to apply a few of these principles.</p>
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		<title>How To Date Women At Work</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone over on the mASF forums had a question about dating women in the workplace, so I thought I&#8217;d open my big mouth and chime in about this subject.</p>
<p>I think every man out there is well aware of all the problems that go with picking women up at work.&nbsp; As if sexual harrassment wasn&#8217;t enough, you now have &quot;sexual intimidation&quot; going on.&nbsp; (Whatever the hell THAT means!)</p>
<p>Having worked in an office environment myself, I definitely know the plight of many men out there who work 40+ hours a week at their jobs.&nbsp; So many guys spend <strong>so much</strong> time at work, and by the time they get home they&#8217;re too tired to go out or they need to get MORE work done, so it becomes a real issue of:&nbsp; work is the only logical place to meet people.</p>
<p>That said, workplace romances aren&#8217;t uncommon.&nbsp; Lots of couples meet through work.&nbsp; The very fact that two people are working at the same place creates a commonality that can help build rapport and open an avenue to attraction.</p>
<p>Back when I was in an office, one of my office-mates was well known as the &quot;Office Dater.&quot;&nbsp; He&#8217;d basically only date women who worked at the company, and he was very good at it.&nbsp; I&#8217;ll share the tips I learned from him to effectively date at the workplace&#8230;</p>
<p><span id="more-44"></span></p>
<p>1.&nbsp; Be friendly.&nbsp; SUPER friendly.&nbsp; This guy was always incredibly nice<br />
to everyone &#8211; especially the women.&nbsp; He&#8217;d greet every woman he saw in<br />
the hallway, he&#8217;d always ask people if they needed help with anything<br />
or if he could do anything to make their jobs easier.&nbsp; The key here is<br />
no matter if you&#8217;re attracted to the woman or not, you be friendly to<br />
them, because often times in the office, older women have daughters or<br />
younger friends they just&nbsp; love to play matchmaker with!</p>
<p>
2.&nbsp; Be interested in them.&nbsp; My friend would always ask about their<br />
lives outside of work.&nbsp; How their kids were doing, how their parents<br />
were, if they were any closer to that new car they want, or where they<br />
were planning to go on vacation.&nbsp; He would just be really fascinated<br />
with what their lives were like, and he would encourage their passions<br />
(&quot;You should totally take an art class, you&#8217;re gifted!&quot; etc.).</p>
<p>
3.&nbsp; Have interesting stuff to talk about.&nbsp; One of the things my friend<br />
always did when he got into the office in the morning was check the<br />
news and see if there were any &quot;odd&quot; news stories out there.&nbsp; Then he&#8217;d<br />
walk up to people and bring it up in conversation.&nbsp; Like &quot;Did you hear<br />
about this woman who gave birth to 8 kids at once?&quot;&nbsp; Stuff like that.<br />
It always engaged the people he was talking to.&nbsp; So he could join<br />
anyone at the cafeteria and start talking about something interesting<br />
right away (looking back on it, it was like he instinctively would<br />
create routines based on these stories he could join sets with.&nbsp; It was<br />
pretty impressive.)</p>
<p>
4.&nbsp; Having a life outside the office.&nbsp; My friend was in a band, and<br />
he&#8217;d occasionally play little gigs around town.&nbsp; So he&#8217;d invite people<br />
(especially women) from the office to check him out.&nbsp; And if he wasn&#8217;t<br />
playing, he&#8217;d know of a great local band he&#8217;d invite people to check<br />
out with him.&nbsp; His passion was music, and he&#8217;d get women who enjoyed<br />
music as well to go with him to these events.</p>
<p>
And this is where he REALLY shined.&nbsp; By getting them out of the office<br />
&quot;innocently,&quot; he was able to work his magic on them without fear of<br />
causing any problems at work.&nbsp; There&#8217;s a different vibe when you&#8217;re out<br />
in a social setting with someone than when you&#8217;re with them at work.<br />
Usually, by the time he got the woman to go out with him, she already<br />
knew him as the friendly, interesting guy from work.&nbsp; So she had a<br />
level of comfort with him, and he just worked on making his move and<br />
would usually hook up with the girl that night.</p>
<p>
I think its important to remember that most women who work full time<br />
have just as much of a social life as men who work full time, and a guy<br />
who has a passion outside of work, and who does interesting stuff<br />
outside of work, is very attractive and fun.</p>
<p>
5.&nbsp; Remain Friends, No Matter What.&nbsp; This is probably the most<br />
important guideline.&nbsp; My office mate would always remain very friendly<br />
with the girls he dated in the office.&nbsp; If they broke up, it would be a<br />
friendly break-up.&nbsp; This was necessary to reduce any inter-office<br />
friction.&nbsp; So always have an &quot;exit strategy,&quot; so to speak, when dating<br />
women in the workplace.</p>
<p>
There&#8217;s probably more my friend did, but I can&#8217;t think of everything<br />
now.&nbsp; I&#8217;d have to sit down and try and remember all the tricks and<br />
gimmicks he had.&nbsp; I guess overall, the important thing is to not really<br />
act sexual at work, but friendly, and get the women to meet you outside<br />
work so you can run your game on them.&nbsp; Throw a party and invite people<br />
from the office.&nbsp; Organize an outting of some sort.&nbsp; Find a nice happy<br />
hour close to work you can invite people to so they can miss the &quot;rush<br />
hour traffic.&quot;&nbsp; Do whatever you can to entice the girls you like to<br />
meet up with you outside of work.</p>
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		<title>FastSeduction.com&#8217;s The Art Of The Pick Up &#8211; Review</title>
		<link>http://www.thundercatseductionlair.com/2007/04/09/fastseductioncoms-the-art-of-the-pick-up-review/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 07:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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<a href="http://www.artofthepickup.com/ref.cgi?product=aotp&amp;bid=2&amp;affiliate=mjk234">Art Of The Pickup</a> is the first offering from those crazy kooks over at fastseduction.com.&nbsp; ItвЂ™s a 2 DVD video set with over six hours worth of information culled from fastseduction.comвЂ™s vast repository of pick-up knowledge, all compiled into an easy to reference format.</p>
<p>The thing that makes the Art Of The Pickup stand out from other similar DVD sets is that itвЂ™s designed more like an interactive course on how to meet women than a simple recorded lecture, like you might get with other DVD courses.</p>
<p>This format works very well in an instructional sense, because it breaks down the different phases of pickup in an easy to follow way, and allows for quick reference of the different tactics available.</p>
<p><span id="more-8"></span></p>
<p>Watching Art Of The Pickup, it was hard not to think of some of the sex<br />
education videos I used to be forced to watch in High School.&nbsp; </p>
<p>
Because the videos are meant to be educational rather than<br />
вЂњdocumentary,вЂќ the scenarios in the video are staged with actors rather<br />
than candidly caught.</p>
<p>
While this does a good job of actually demonstrating the techniques<br />
discussed, it makes the tactics seem forced and вЂњfakeyвЂќ while watching<br />
вЂ“ in part due to the substandard acting involved in the vignettes<br />
(hence the вЂњcheesyвЂќ sex-ed video feel).</p>
<p>
Though this can make the examples in the video hard to watch at times,<br />
I donвЂ™t feel that it takes away from the validity of the tactics being<br />
discussed.&nbsp; Some of these tactics include:</p>
<ul>
<li>Approaching</li>
<li>Confidence Building</li>
<li>Initiating Conversation</li>
<li>Email and Phone Number Closing</li>
<li>Creating Attraction</li>
<li>Comfort Building</li>
<li>Follow Up And Day 2s</li>
<li>Making Your Move/Late Game</li>
</ul>
<p>
The worst part of the video series, at least in my opinion, is the<br />
narrator вЂ“ a slick looking pick up guy (or actor?) who narrates the<br />
methods being talked about.&nbsp; The guyвЂ™s voice is deep and I can see why<br />
he was picked to do voice over, but at the same time it drips with a<br />
kind-of sleaziness that is more than a little off-putting.</p>
<p>
In fact, itвЂ™s almost obvious that the narrator is almost portraying a<br />
type of вЂњpick upвЂќ guy, rather that coming across as genuine.</p>
<p>
Though this can be distracting, the production of the DVD set more than<br />
makes up for it.&nbsp; This isnвЂ™t some fly-by-night operation where guys are<br />
videotaping tactics on a 1985 camcorder in someoneвЂ™s basement.&nbsp; The<br />
series was shot on digital video, with professional lighting, graphics,<br />
and editing.&nbsp; It really is a quality production.</p>
<p>
While the acting is cheesy, the example videos are well made and quite<br />
explanatory, with freeze frames and narration intercut to discuss what<br />
is occurring in the vignettes.</p>
<p>
The course breaks down as follows:</p>
<p>
DVD 1 is the primary disk in the series.&nbsp; It contains the foundations<br />
of the course, which is are the underlying principles, understandings,<br />
and psychology behind the tactics.</p>
<p>
After that, there are 2 more sections to the disk, broken up by<br />
encounter (in this case, the first time you meet the girl, and the<br />
follow up).&nbsp; In the 1st encounter segments, youвЂ™re shown how to<br />
approach a woman and get her contact information.&nbsp; In the 2nd encounter<br />
segments, youвЂ™re shown how to follow up the initial encounter, get a<br />
date, generate attraction, and finally seduce her.&nbsp; </p>
<p>
The second DVD in the set is an вЂњExtraвЂќ DVD, divided into two<br />
sections.&nbsp; The first section has to do with Interviews of other pick up<br />
artists.&nbsp; The experts interviewed are the two guys who run<br />
fastseduction.com вЂ“ Jay and Ray, and Will the Dating Coach (of Double<br />
Your Dating fame).</p>
<p>
This is my favorite part of the course because itвЂ™s not scripted, and<br />
you get to hear the guys talk candidly about their views and<br />
experiences.&nbsp; Though these experts arenвЂ™t on the level as someone like,<br />
Neil Strauss, for instance, they still have some good things to share.</p>
<p>
The second feature on the second disk is a series of affirmations<br />
designed to help re-enforce the teachings of the course.&nbsp; The<br />
affirmations are audio only, though, and have no video features that go<br />
along with them.</p>
<p>
Now, IвЂ™m not a big fan of affirmations, because I feel most<br />
affirmations are a series of mental masturbation meant to make you<br />
вЂњthinkвЂќ youвЂ™re actually accomplishing something as opposed to getting<br />
you to take action.&nbsp; But I do recognize that affirmations can help<br />
people stay on the right path in terms of keeping focused on goals, and<br />
in that respect, I think the affirmations included on disk 2 are pretty<br />
good.</p>
<p>
A little bonus feature on the disk is some audio of Jay giving a<br />
presentation recorded from a seminar.&nbsp; I think the audio was recorded<br />
at the 2004 Pick Up Summit, but IвЂ™m not sure.&nbsp; Anyway, like the<br />
affirmations, this feature is audio only, and lasts for about 90<br />
minutes.</p>
<p>
All told, you get about 6 hours worth of media in the course.</p>
<p>
HereвЂ™s the breakdown:</p>
<p><strong>THE GOOD</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>The tactics and techniques presented are sound</li>
<li>The production quality of the course</li>
<li>The organization and presentation of the media</li>
<li>The interviews with experts</li>
<li>The interactivity of the course</li>
<li>The girls in the videos are hot</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>THE BAD</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>I donвЂ™t agree with a lot of the evolutionary philosophy presented in the course</li>
<li>The video segments come of as a little too staged and fake</li>
<li>The acting is sub-par</li>
<li>The narrator is too sleazy and disingenuous for my tastes</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>THE RESULT</strong></p>
<p>
Over-all, despite itвЂ™s flaws and shortcomings, I think the Art Of The<br />
Pickup is a very good course for beginners who are new to the<br />
dating/seduction scene and looking for a place to start.&nbsp; I wouldnвЂ™t<br />
recommend it to advanced students of The Game, because the concepts<br />
presented are rather basic, but for your average Joe just getting into<br />
this, it would be a good place to start.</p>
<p>
The interactivity of the course makes it easy to follow, and the many<br />
examples are good at illustrating how the concepts are supposed to<br />
work.&nbsp; The price of the course is $147, which may seem a bit steep for <br />
some, but considering it packs a bunch of the starting material into<br />
one format, you can save money by not buying some other courses that<br />
present the material in a less organized manner.</p>
<p>
So bottom line:&nbsp; <strong>The Art Of The Pickup is a solid course that I<br />
would definitely recommend to anyone getting into the pick-up game who<br />
want to build a solid skill set rather quickly.</strong></p>
<p><a href="http://www.artofthepickup.com/ref.cgi?product=aotp&amp;bid=2&amp;affiliate=mjk234"><br />
Click Here To Check Out The Art Of The Pick Up For Yourself!</a> </p>
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		<title>FastSeduction.com&#8217;s The Art Of The Pick Up &#8211; Review</title>
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<a href="http://www.artofthepickup.com/ref.cgi?product=aotp&amp;bid=2&amp;affiliate=mjk234">Art Of The Pickup</a> is the first offering from those crazy kooks over at fastseduction.com.&nbsp; ItвЂ™s a 2 DVD video set with over six hours worth of information culled from fastseduction.comвЂ™s vast repository of pick-up knowledge, all compiled into an easy to reference format.</p>
<p>The thing that makes the Art Of The Pickup stand out from other similar DVD sets is that itвЂ™s designed more like an interactive course on how to meet women than a simple recorded lecture, like you might get with other DVD courses.</p>
<p>This format works very well in an instructional sense, because it breaks down the different phases of pickup in an easy to follow way, and allows for quick reference of the different tactics available.</p>
<p><span id="more-677"></span></p>
<p>Watching Art Of The Pickup, it was hard not to think of some of the sex<br />
education videos I used to be forced to watch in High School.&nbsp; </p>
<p>
Because the videos are meant to be educational rather than<br />
вЂњdocumentary,вЂќ the scenarios in the video are staged with actors rather<br />
than candidly caught.</p>
<p>
While this does a good job of actually demonstrating the techniques<br />
discussed, it makes the tactics seem forced and вЂњfakeyвЂќ while watching<br />
вЂ“ in part due to the substandard acting involved in the vignettes<br />
(hence the вЂњcheesyвЂќ sex-ed video feel).</p>
<p>
Though this can make the examples in the video hard to watch at times,<br />
I donвЂ™t feel that it takes away from the validity of the tactics being<br />
discussed.&nbsp; Some of these tactics include:</p>
<ul>
<li>Approaching</li>
<li>Confidence Building</li>
<li>Initiating Conversation</li>
<li>Email and Phone Number Closing</li>
<li>Creating Attraction</li>
<li>Comfort Building</li>
<li>Follow Up And Day 2s</li>
<li>Making Your Move/Late Game</li>
</ul>
<p>
The worst part of the video series, at least in my opinion, is the<br />
narrator вЂ“ a slick looking pick up guy (or actor?) who narrates the<br />
methods being talked about.&nbsp; The guyвЂ™s voice is deep and I can see why<br />
he was picked to do voice over, but at the same time it drips with a<br />
kind-of sleaziness that is more than a little off-putting.</p>
<p>
In fact, itвЂ™s almost obvious that the narrator is almost portraying a<br />
type of вЂњpick upвЂќ guy, rather that coming across as genuine.</p>
<p>
Though this can be distracting, the production of the DVD set more than<br />
makes up for it.&nbsp; This isnвЂ™t some fly-by-night operation where guys are<br />
videotaping tactics on a 1985 camcorder in someoneвЂ™s basement.&nbsp; The<br />
series was shot on digital video, with professional lighting, graphics,<br />
and editing.&nbsp; It really is a quality production.</p>
<p>
While the acting is cheesy, the example videos are well made and quite<br />
explanatory, with freeze frames and narration intercut to discuss what<br />
is occurring in the vignettes.</p>
<p>
The course breaks down as follows:</p>
<p>
DVD 1 is the primary disk in the series.&nbsp; It contains the foundations<br />
of the course, which is are the underlying principles, understandings,<br />
and psychology behind the tactics.</p>
<p>
After that, there are 2 more sections to the disk, broken up by<br />
encounter (in this case, the first time you meet the girl, and the<br />
follow up).&nbsp; In the 1st encounter segments, youвЂ™re shown how to<br />
approach a woman and get her contact information.&nbsp; In the 2nd encounter<br />
segments, youвЂ™re shown how to follow up the initial encounter, get a<br />
date, generate attraction, and finally seduce her.&nbsp; </p>
<p>
The second DVD in the set is an вЂњExtraвЂќ DVD, divided into two<br />
sections.&nbsp; The first section has to do with Interviews of other pick up<br />
artists.&nbsp; The experts interviewed are the two guys who run<br />
fastseduction.com вЂ“ Jay and Ray, and Will the Dating Coach (of Double<br />
Your Dating fame).</p>
<p>
This is my favorite part of the course because itвЂ™s not scripted, and<br />
you get to hear the guys talk candidly about their views and<br />
experiences.&nbsp; Though these experts arenвЂ™t on the level as someone like,<br />
Neil Strauss, for instance, they still have some good things to share.</p>
<p>
The second feature on the second disk is a series of affirmations<br />
designed to help re-enforce the teachings of the course.&nbsp; The<br />
affirmations are audio only, though, and have no video features that go<br />
along with them.</p>
<p>
Now, IвЂ™m not a big fan of affirmations, because I feel most<br />
affirmations are a series of mental masturbation meant to make you<br />
вЂњthinkвЂќ youвЂ™re actually accomplishing something as opposed to getting<br />
you to take action.&nbsp; But I do recognize that affirmations can help<br />
people stay on the right path in terms of keeping focused on goals, and<br />
in that respect, I think the affirmations included on disk 2 are pretty<br />
good.</p>
<p>
A little bonus feature on the disk is some audio of Jay giving a<br />
presentation recorded from a seminar.&nbsp; I think the audio was recorded<br />
at the 2004 Pick Up Summit, but IвЂ™m not sure.&nbsp; Anyway, like the<br />
affirmations, this feature is audio only, and lasts for about 90<br />
minutes.</p>
<p>
All told, you get about 6 hours worth of media in the course.</p>
<p>
HereвЂ™s the breakdown:</p>
<p><strong>THE GOOD</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>The tactics and techniques presented are sound</li>
<li>The production quality of the course</li>
<li>The organization and presentation of the media</li>
<li>The interviews with experts</li>
<li>The interactivity of the course</li>
<li>The girls in the videos are hot</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>THE BAD</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>I donвЂ™t agree with a lot of the evolutionary philosophy presented in the course</li>
<li>The video segments come of as a little too staged and fake</li>
<li>The acting is sub-par</li>
<li>The narrator is too sleazy and disingenuous for my tastes</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>THE RESULT</strong></p>
<p>
Over-all, despite itвЂ™s flaws and shortcomings, I think the Art Of The<br />
Pickup is a very good course for beginners who are new to the<br />
dating/seduction scene and looking for a place to start.&nbsp; I wouldnвЂ™t<br />
recommend it to advanced students of The Game, because the concepts<br />
presented are rather basic, but for your average Joe just getting into<br />
this, it would be a good place to start.</p>
<p>
The interactivity of the course makes it easy to follow, and the many<br />
examples are good at illustrating how the concepts are supposed to<br />
work.&nbsp; The price of the course is $147, which may seem a bit steep for <br />
some, but considering it packs a bunch of the starting material into<br />
one format, you can save money by not buying some other courses that<br />
present the material in a less organized manner.</p>
<p>
So bottom line:&nbsp; <strong>The Art Of The Pickup is a solid course that I<br />
would definitely recommend to anyone getting into the pick-up game who<br />
want to build a solid skill set rather quickly.</strong></p>
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