Bishop Reveals The TRUTH About MINE’99!

Wow,

Okay, so I haven’t been reading every single response on my blog lately, due to that fact that I’ve been travelling a lot and have been busy with work.  But when I do sit down to catch up on things, oh what gems I find!

It seems Bishop and MINE’99 have been going at each other’s throats again, and it’s all been happening on my blog!  Shocking, considering Bishop has proclaimed he’d "never post on my blog again" and MINE’99 seems to hate this website so (but spends almost all of his free time on it, it appears).

It all started on the "Louis & Copeland vs… David DeAngelo???" thread where MINE’99 went on the offensive attacking David D. for running more than one website selling stuff that no one really cares about.  Then Bishop swoops in and fires the opening salvo in the "Revenge Of The Sith"-epic flame ware that is to follow.

Read on, you’re not gonna want to miss this one…

Bishop writes:

"Now, why, oh WHY if Thundercat even had a modicum of integrity,
objectivity or fairness, wouldn’t he be asking DeAngelo..er, I mean
Christian Carter..ooops, I mean Stephi..no, no, no, I mean Eben
Pagan..about all of this."

You tell them Ross Jeffries…er, I mean Paul Ross. Don’t throw stones when you’re hiding behind a fake name yourself.

"Guys, I have been saying for years: DeAngelo is a hack, in it SOLELY
for the money, and he doesn’t really give one diddly fuck about whether
he helps you or not."

Hmm, so how is that less ethical than you taking credit for other people’s creations?

"Is the message getting through YET?

Thundercat, WHY THE SILENCE on this?

This ought to be the COMMUNITY SCANDAL OF THE DECADE, but Thundy is
SO afraid of losing his business affiliation with Deangelo, our
intrepid blogger dare not open his donut-crumb encrusted mouth.

SHAME."

Don’t get a boner, Paul, but I actually agree with you here. Thundy
would be all over your ass on this. As for if he lacks the testicular
abundance to give it the same attention and mention since it’s David
D., I can not comment, as only now can it be proven that he will be
aware of this information. The oppourtunity to prove you wrong (which
he has demonstrated many times having a passion for) is here for him.

"Now, someone PLEEEEEEEEEEESE ask DeAngelo about this, during his talk, at Cliff’s seminar.

Someone PLEASE video tape the exchange and put it up on the web for all to see."

Just curious why you would want this done, Paul. How does this situation benefit you?

In response to "Canoe Connor" who wrote:

~~THEN YOU WROTE THIS:
"Eben and I had a falling out over a woman. I’m not necessarily proud
of what I did, and in some ways think it was pretty fucked up and
wrong."~~

Is this a direct quote??? I don’t feel like looking for it myself.
But if it IS a direct quote, I am sickened that he feels what he did
was only "in some ways" pretty fucked up and wrong. Well, if this IS a
direct quote, and Mr. Grand PooBah of Upper Scum Sack truly feels it
was fucked up and wrong only in "some ways" then he should have NO
problem giving the details and letting YOU GUYS decide for yourself
just how fucked up and wrong it was.
After all, he doesn’t hesitate to share details of other people’s
stumbles (and in SOME cases he fabricates or speculates the details).

So how about it, Ross…er, I mean Paul? Care to beat me to the punch by sharing the details yourself?

Oh, and Paul? That whole "Obi-Ross" thing, is the wrong side of the
force, bud. You’re more like Palpatine, actually. He too presented
himself one way to the masses, while in private he had a darker and
hidden agenda. I don’t think he had a cat though, so that was
different.

Hmm, so in this little universe of ours, would Thundy be Jabba, or just
some pudgy stormtrooper in the background, telling the rest of the
group "I’ll catch up with you later."

Lando played all the angles in "Empire" so that would be…naw, I won’t say his name.

Who would be Chewie? HYPNOTICA! Yeah, he’s pretty hairy!
So would that mean that Piccus is Han Solo???

Okay, I’m done. Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have to go play with my
"Amidala." (No, that doesn’t mean my right hand…it’s my left hand
turned palm down)

Before we go on, to answer a few questions, my silence on this "scandal" was for a couple reasons:

1.  I wasn’t following the thread, therefor not reading any of the replies.
2.  It’s not shocking to me that a business man on the internet has different products he sells.  Only people who know nothing about how business on the internet works (I’m looking at you, MINE’99) would think this is a scandal.
3.  The domain’s are registered by David DeAngelo’s company.  From what I understand, he hires people to create these other products and run the sites for him, while the profits go to his company.  So to get upset about this is like getting upset at Pepsi for making "Pepsi One, Diet Pepsi, Pepsi with Lemon, etc"

Secondly, I don’t think I’m Jabba in the Star Wars Universe.  Seeing as how my blog is pretty much the "Mos Eisley Cantina" of the seduction community (it’s the wretched hive of scum and villainy where all the best and worst the universe has to offer hang out), I look at myself as more of a "Han Solo" type.  =)  Roguish and always getting into adventures, that’s me!

*Ahem*

Anyway, back to the drama…

A poster named Canoe Connor replied to Bishop about MINE’99′s quote:

Canoe Connor writes:
Yes, the above was a DIRECT quote.  It was taken from a post Ross wrote to alt.seduction.fast on Nov 10, 2002. 

In that post, Ross also goes on to say that

"Truth: Eben saw a way to make some bucks and personally strike back at me by
creating DYD."

and

DYD "is basically ONE trick and it doesn’t work even for Eben if the
personal reports I’ve had are true, and I see no reason to disbelieve
them."

The post is still available via dejanews as of today..

So then MINE’99 rears his ugly head and spews this bit of venom:

MINE’99 writes:

Emery,

Don’t have time to duel with you, but I’ll make one small comment:

At the time it all went down, when I told you what happened, I will
never forget your response, You said, and I quote, "I don’t blame you
at all. I would have done the same thing."

So much for your moralistic posturing. Goodness, I recall you
promising that one day you would buy me a house because I had made "all
your fantasies come true".

How the worm turns.

Good luck all.

Then, Bishop comes back with this little NUCLEAR BOMB…

Bishop writes:

"Emery,

Don’t have time to duel with you, but I’ll make one small comment:

At the time it all went down, when I told you what happened, I will
never forget your response, You said, and I quote, "I don’t blame you
at all. I would have done the same thing." "

Incorrect quote. Initially you made it sound like she came over alone,
and implied that she was using wanting to be hypnotized as just an
excuse to come over. Which of course made it sound like she was
cheating on Eben. So of course I didn’t blame you under THAT implied
condition. Do I advocate finger fucking your friend’s girlfriend? No.
But if she’s making the effort to get intimate with me, and I think
she’s hot, I might have let it happen. Which is what I had actually
said. While it’s not the best way to honor your friendship with Eben, I
was speaking hypothetically, and trying to put you more at ease, as a
true friend would do.
But you KNOW that once you told me the WHOLE story, the FIRST WORDS out
of my mouth were, "Dude, that’s not right. Why’d you do that?"

So if you want to continue to make it sound like I would have done
what you ACTUALLY did, then you will leave me no choice but to crack
open my journal and share the details I wrote after we hung up that
night. Yes, I made a journal entry. At the time I did it as a reminder
of how not to let my abilities go too far. I didn’t use any real names,
just in case it got read by someone. But it was all written within the
hour after you called me, so many exact details are there. Think I’m
bluffing? Here’s an excerpt, exactly as it is written:

"…"P" then said, "I started to unbutton her pants, and she wasn’t
stopping me. She was just letting me do it." I asked, "No shit?" "P"
replied, "No, I’m dead serious! So I’m thinking I’ll go for it. So I
start sucking on one of her nipples, and I’m reaching into her pants
and I start to finger her. And she’s wet, Bish, she’s totally getting
into this." I asked, "Holy shit. And you’re doing all this and (the
boyfriend)is just in the next room?" He laughed and said, "He was
sitting in my living room, yeah. So I’m sucking on my finger, and she
tastes good, Bish. And I make her suck my finger, taste herself. She
was gone, I could have done whatever I wanted…"

Funny how the many things I initially wrote down from my experiences
with you, were for learnings and life lesson purposes. Yet when
combined now, reveal so many things about you that I had been blind to
back then.

You’ve managed to spend quite an abundant amount of time detailing
shit about ME, so give that same time and detail to sharing what REALLY
happened, as YOU remember it.
or, maybe since I never used actual names 
   

"So much for your moralistic posturing."

I’M not the one who finger fucked a friend’s girlfriend, that was
YOU. If we’re going to talk morality, then how moral was it when you
spoke with me and Zack about being your "Generals" in your plan to
create your own "organization" of followers? Have you shared this
little plan with any of your students? Ever shared it with the
community? I have that little episode in my journal too, so if you’ve
forgotten the exact words, I can refresh your memory.

"Goodness, I recall you promising that one day you would buy me a house because I had made "all your fantasies come true".

How the worm turns."

You LITERALLY thought I was going to buy you a house???? I would
have thought you would have taken that no more literally than me taking
it literally when you said one day that you might ask me to fire a
bullet for you. Oh, wait, were you actually SERIOUS about that after
all???

"Good luck all.

Mr. Carter, I mean, DeAngelo, still has to explain why he wrote an
ebook telling women how to defeat the vary advice he sold to men with
his FIRST e-book."

First of all, since the book is not yet available, you are (as
always) speculating. You have no clue what the details are in the book.
Plus, who says that DAVID wrote it??? You sold MY book, but I was the
one who wrote it.

"That issue stands and is completely separate from whatever went
down with Pagan, er, DeAngelo, er, whatever his name’s former G-F and
no amount of distraction and monkey dust is going to make it go away."

It would be in your best interest for it to not go away. It draws the
attention away from your own shitty ethics. You still have no addressed
why you even CARE about all this. I mean, unless it;s pissing you off
that david beat you to the punch, I fail to see what any of it has to
do with you and your business? Has David made statements that are a
contrdiction to this latest discovery? Or is it simply a case of a
scared 46 year old man who is feeling his once strong grip on the
community, slipping more and more? You used to always go on and on at
your seminars about "I don’t know if I’ll want to do this next year"
(Usually right before, or just after, plugging the expensive "Speed
Life" seminar)So why not just take a consultation position, and retire
from the other things? We all must credit you for starting us on the
seduction path, but I would imagine that you would WANT to retire,
especially after being told you can’t attend the Montreal seminar in
July. Isn’t it humiliating as piss to be told that if you were coming
to the Montreal seminar that some of us Masters were going to decline
coming? What the hell is it going to take for you to realize that you
pissed off every great contact you ever had, and now it’s coming back
to bite you on the ass!
What is it going to take for you to take a serious look at your
reality, and realize that despite all your past success, you punish
yourself for your own success by betraying (or feeling betrayed by)
those you let into your inner circle. Well, except Kimmy, but that’s
only because she dumped you and sent your ego into supplication mode
through the anchors she’s set on you.

"Why won’t Thundy address it?

Is ANYONE going to ask DeAngelo about it, during his talk at Cliff’s seminar?"

Why don’t YOU ask him at the seminar? Oh, that’s right, you can’t,
because you’re banned from even ATTENDING. Gee, how unfair, given your
high level of loyalty and ethical standards.

"Now, I’m off to learn the intricate details of teleseminars, which will be a big part of my business coming up soon."

I think you should cast the Verison Wireless guy for your role in
the teleseminar. Hey, are you going to include the scenes where you
tell guys not to supplicate to women, while you continue supplicating
to some short, toad-faced, femi-nazi? That would be gripping
television, Paul.

Now if you’re excuse me, I have to get back to my friends (You remember having those, once upon a time. Right, Paul?).

Wow, where to begin…

Bishop actually WROTE DOWN his actual conversation with MINE’99 after the "incident" occured!  That’s simply amazing.  I always knew MINE’99 was a scumbag, but now there’s actually PROOF.

For those of you who missed it, here’s the breakdown so far:

MINE’99 isolated David D’s then girlfriend, hypnotized her, unbuttoned her pants, and fingered her while David DeAngelo, his then student and "friend," was in the next room.

In a way, I am shocked.  Not only at the sheer depravity that MINE’99 continues to display, but also at the fact that he was actually able to finger some poor girl without having to pay for it.  Bravo, MINE’99.  There may actually be something to your SS stuff after all!  Though not taking into account that you did not do the work to actually go out and find a girl for yourself, and the fact that since David D probably used SS to get that girl in the first place (therefor she was probably a natural "trance zombie"), I wouldn’t consider it all too amazing of a feat.

But none the less, you should add that to your precious testimonials page.  "Learn how to finger your friend’s girlfriend in the next room!"  You’ll sell a million copies of whatever crap you’re now peddling, I’m sure.

The next bit of information I find amazingly (though not surprisingly) interesting is Bishop revealing that MINE’99 essentially wanted to recruit him for what he planned to create, which is essentially a cult.

I find this interesting because when I was heavily involved in SS myself, it certainly did feel a lot like a cult.  Examples:

• SS is a closed system and people who use it are discouraged to learn other methods, and often ridiculed for doing so.
• There is a clear "us vs. them" attitude meant to strengthen the solidarity of the group.
• People are referred to as "Brother (name)" quite often, suggesting a secret society atmosphere.
• Elements of religion are present (psychic influence, anyone?), meant to create a unique belief system in it’s members.
• Heavy emphasis is placed on new "technologies" to control other people’s minds and remove any resistence they may have.
• Any dissent is immediately shut down, either by ridicule, threats, or banishment from the group.
• MINE’99 is looked upon as an infallible leader, and any who question him are dealt with in a harsh manner — ie: yelled at, ridiculed, discredited, called names, etc. (just look at MINE’99′s posts towards me on this site for examples of how this works).

I can go on, but you get the idea.  MINE’99 aims to create a CULT with his students, and he wanted to include Bishop in it as a "general."

Bishop also claims that MINE’99 is still hung up on his former girlfriend and supplicates to her relentlessly.  Not exactly "guru" behavior, is it?  Oh, but I forgot.  It’s "Do what I say, not what I do" in the SS camp.  After all, it’s only about who’s a "better teacher," right?

After something like this, you’d expect MINE’99 to roar back with his typical "LIES! LIBEL!  I’LL SUE YOU ALL" rebuttal.  But his response is like a little girl limp-wristedly trying to swat away an attacker while crying:

MINE’99 writes:

Has anyone else noticed how Mike Emery is so desperate to drum up
sales for his books, the only way he can think to get attention for his
stuff is by consistently attacking me, the person who he credits in the
beginning of Bishop’s Journal as being such an inspiration.

Mike, it’s obvious that you are either desperate to generate sales
or just too lazy to think of any other method. You don’t deserve to be
tied to my name.

Bishop fights back, pressing his advantage:

Bishop writes:

LOL
Paul, Paul, Paul.
Still avoiding the subject of doing a one-on-one "sarge-off" against me as usual.
That’s cool, I’d be scared of me too.

As for me being "desperate" to generate sales, that’s cute.
And to say this is the motive behind my "attacks" on you, is laughable.
You brought these "attacks" on yourself by attacking others, genius!
You made quite an effort to smear my name, yet which one of us was not
only invited to attend, but also to speak at THE BIGGEST SEDUCTION
EVENT OF THE YEAR.

Which one of us is willing to pit his abilities against the other in a public challenge?

Which one of us lost everything, yet has managed to not only survive, but is also more powerful than when he left?

You pissed off a lot of people, Paul, and these "attacks" are just
an example of the outcome of your actions. You called me your "best
student" then when I pulled my products, I was suddenly a fake. I have
news for you; Talk to anyone who has a copy of my seduction book. They
can verify the quality of women I’m with in the pics. Funny how you
don’t seem to have any such pics of yourself with hot women, outside
paid publicity pics. (PLUG: Very soon, I’ll be adding many pics to my
website to show what’s possible to get with my materiels. Not just
women *I* get, but the women my students get as well. Where’s YOUR
pics, Paul???)

Paul, you attack the intelligence of your own students, you attack
women’s decisions to not go for you, you attack people on this board,
and you attack other Masters. Yet you still seemed surprised that those
of us who once learned from you, are now disgusted by you. None more so
than me; the one you tried so hard to completely vanquish. Yet here I
am. Not only have I once again proven myself to the community that I am
legit, but I stand here, looking you right in the eyes and saying, "Sit
down, and be quiet!" There is SO much I have held back, that I could
easily ruin you with. Yet I don’t wish to see you ruined. But I also
don’t care to protect you any longer. So you really do have a choice,
and you need to give it a lot of thought. You can either admit to the
community that you lied, and that "Bishop’s Journal" was NOT a work of
fiction, or you can try to protect yourself from what I do about your
defiance. Unlike you, I have no desire to use my power to vanquish you.
I simply want the record to be set straight. A true Jedi, if you still
are one, would not try to discredit the other Jedi Masters.

But, like I said, it’s your choice. I won’t make any threats, I don’t
need to. You know what I know about you, so your own knowledge of that
is threat enough.

As for the video testimonials, those are already in the works. As I
don’t do seminars, the logistics are different than what you have
available. I’m scheduling a couple of female testimonials too. Do you
have any female testimonials???

I heard a rumor that some of the testimonials you use are actually
employees of Straightforward, or their family members. Any truth to
that?

Then, Bishop finishes MINE’99 off with this little killing blow:

Bishop writes:

In response to "Ross" who spewed:

"BTW, and for the record, I have NEVER said that Bishop’s Journal
was/is a fraud and I defy Emery or anyone else to cite any quote of
mine where I said any such thing."

Okay, you’re on.

"I have always said I have NO idea to what extent Emery actually
experienced the adventures he wrote about, but that they don’t seem all
that implausible as he is applying standard SS stuff that has worked
for thousands of students in the past."

Gee, what a difference. Nice not-so-subtle way to make it SEEM like an acknowledgement while promoting yourself.

"Yates, my business partner, has made the statement that Bishop’s Journal was a work of fiction."

I guess you fail to realize where Yates ends and you begin. As your
business partner, he is representing you, so you are responsible for
what comes out of his mouth to your students. That is, if you’re really
the one in charge. If you’re NOT, then my statement of you being
nothing more than Yates’ voicebox is accurate.

So which is it?

"Mr. Emery was booted from my camp for cheating my students; he took
money for book orders that he never delivered upon and then he lied
about it. I also subsequently learned that he had a previous history of
cheating people on the internet(the Beanie Baby scandal) which he hid
from me, and then lied about when I confronted him."

I don’t recall challenging why you "booted" me. At the most, I just
mentioned how interesting it is that I was booted months AFTER the
so-called "scam". Like, a few weeks after I pulled my products from
your catalog. I challenge you to PROVE it didn’t happen that way. I can
certainly prove that it DID.

"The veracity of Bishop’s Journal and Mr. Emery’s seduction skills were NEVER any part of why he was booted."

Why the misdirection, Paul? You’re going on and on about why I was
booted. Show me where in the last dozen posts where the subject of why
I was booted was even mentioned, much less challenged. Oh, maybe that’s
what popped into your head when Ninja mentioned the smear campaign.
Hmm, sounds like your own thoughts just betrayed you.

"You cheat my students and don’t fill orders and you are gone, regardless and irrespective of your skills at seduction."

You’ve cheated your students in ways OTHER than that though. Shall we continue this?

"And there you have it. Now, Mr. Emery keeps making references to me,
challenging me in a thread that has nothing to do with him and
EVERYTHING to do with Mr. DeAngelo, because he sees it as a cheap way
to generate publicity for his products, which, without his connection
to me, would generate little interest or sales at all."

Actually, your skills of observation are way off.

You fail to realize that I don’t NEED to generate publicity here any longer. Most of the people here already bought from me.

My actual reasons for this dialogue today, is because I was disgusted
by the quote where you felt it was only "in some ways" fucked up what
you did that resulted to the falling out of you and Eben.

And you need to calm your ego, regarding thinking YOU deserve credit
for my sales. You tried to discredit me, and now you want the credit
for my sales???? I guess this is yet another example of you thinking
you created all good things in the seduction community. Wrap your head
around the fact that the people who have ever even heard of Bishop make
up an incredibly small percentage of the buyers of seduction products.
I suppose you also want to take responsibility for David D’s sales, and
Mystery’s as well??? Get over yourself, and go enjoy Jimbo, or Jumbo,
or whatever her name is.

"Mr. Emery, your pants are down and your Dunlop’s disease is showing
as well as your transparent motives. Perhaps a good therapist would
remind you that you can’t fool everyone all of the time and you ought
not to get so tense about the fact."

MY transparent motives??? What’s "transparent" is why you’re
attacking Davod D. various business connections. You’re scared, Paul.
You’re scared, and you’re pissed that he beat you to it. In your mind
you NEED to be the one who has the better ideas, the smarter decisions.
And when someone shows you that you have not done that, you have to
attack their credibility and ethics. I just find it ironic that the
person who’s credibility and "ethics" you’re attacking happens to be
David D.

You’ve become a JOKE, Paul. And the sad thing is, you’re writing the punchline yourself, wothout apparently even knowing it.

RJ

"P.S. I’m glad to hear about your imaginary friend you’d like to
send to talk to me, but honestly, it’s time to put all that stuff away
along with your Muppet Baby Underoos and grow up."

Perhaps you need your glasses again. I never said I was going to have someone talk to YOU.

"And I have real friends who are more than able to handle security,
including my friend and student Mr. B, the Federal Cop. You remember
him, don’t you?"

Security has no ability to do a damn thing about two people having a
conversation. Go ahead and send your "security" to try. But I bet my
"imaginary" friend accomplishes exactly what I send them to do.
As for "Mr. B, the Federal Cop" you assume that’s not who I was referring to sending. LOL

"I’m sure he’ll be happy to discuss your internet threats with you."

*Yawn* Riddle me this; what laws have I violated? None. But you
already know that. You’re just making weak attempts to sound
intimidating. Don’t insult these reader’s intelligence. But, then
again, that’s been one of your biggest problems: assuming the ignorance
of those in the seduction community.

"I even kept him on AFTER he committed his crime and I had bailed him out of jail."

Goody Goody. What’s your point????

Okay, I grow tired of you once again. I think I’ll go take a shit, in honor of you.

Wow, wow, wow.

I’d feel like this was some type of epic Greek tragedy if MINE’99 wasn’t such a nudge.  He’s less like a "Jedi" and more like a "Gollum," a figure that’s meant to be pitied as his own hatred and love of all that is evil rot him from the inside and end up ultimately destroying him.

I have known for a loooooong time what kind of person MINE’99 is, and few people believed me when I first started warning others on this site to be careful of him and his teachings.  Many of his SS Cult members still troll this board trying to make fun of me and discredit me by calling me a "virgin" or "fat" or a "fraud," (none of which is true, by the way… well, maybe the fat part =)  because I dare to call out their beloved "guru" on his actions.

In some ways, I feel vindicated by Bishop and his posts, as he has something I’ve never had — proof of how rotten this man is.  Bishop, I salute you for standing up to this charlatan.  I hope to get to meet you at Cliff’s Seminar in Montreal.

As for MINE’99′s declaration that I should "call out" David DeAngelo on his "Lies," maybe I’ll ask him personally and in private at his next seminar (of which I’m an invited guest) and save Cliff the headaches have having to deal with your SS clonetroopers… er, I mean "students" that may attend his seminar.

Some day, the ENTIRE truth will come out about you, MINE’99.  And I hope to be there when it does to see you reap all the bad seeds you’ve sown.