The Top 10 Pick Up Artist Of 2009!

January 1, 2010 by  
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Welcome one and all to this year’s edition of my Top 10 PUA list.  My Top 10 list is different from most people’s, for a few reasons.  The first of which is I try and personally meet and interact with as many PUAs as I can to get a sense if they’re the real deal or not.  Most people out there just rank their friends or go based off of what the message boards say, but I try and base my rankings on my personal experience – not only with the PUAs themselves, but with the techniques of picking up women in general.

But more than that, I base my rankings on more than just sheer skill at picking up women.  The criteria for the rankings are simple:

1.  In-Field Performance. This is basically the skills the PUA displays in the field with women.  Most Top 10s deal with this factor exclusively, but I’ve found that just looking at a guy’s in-field performance can be misleading, since people have off-nights or can get lucky.  That said, their ability to use the techniques in field repeatedly and consistently to get results is a big, big factor in the ranking process.

2.  Innovations. This is what new outlook or techniques the PUA brings to the table.  It’s easy for any new guy to get good using Mystery Method or any other school of seduction, but then again, that stuff is designed to work!  So being innovative and bringing a new twist, spin, philosophy, technique, or whatever to the mix is also a big deal, because that means the PUA actually has something to contribute to his students and the community as a whole that no one else does.

3.  Teaching Ability. This is how effectively the PUA can teach what he does to other people, and have them get similar results.  This is another important factor, because it weeds out the people who are just the lucky naturals, and finds the PUAs who have something to offer humanity as a whole.  After all, I don’t care if a guy gets laid a lot.  I care if that guy can get ME laid a lot – and I think the same is true for you.  That is why I factor in the PUA’s ability to teach others into the ranking.

4.  Contributions To The Community.  This is a measure of how much the PUA “gives back” to others in the seduction community.  This factor is all about the PUA’s willingness to help others, the knowledge and experience he’s willing to share, and the compassion he shows to those who need help.  Too many PUAs look down on people not as successful with women as they are, and that’s not what the seduction community is about, so giving back to it should play a factor, in my opinion.

5.  Philosophy.  This comes down to the PUA’s outlook on life, women, and other men in general.  It’s about how they live their lives, and whether they’re consistent with it.  Some PUAs spout great philosophy, but don’t really believe in it or practice it.  But it’s that core foundations which will influence their students, so I believe this is important in factoring the rankings.

6.  Likability.  One of the things I base my ranking on is whether I actually like the PUA or not.  This is a subjective thing, but I feel its important, because there’s usually a reason I don’t like someone, and that reason has to do with them being a fake, fraud, evil bastard, or what have you.  I like to think I have a fairly decent “B.S. Radar,” so when I meet a PUA in person, I can usually tell if they are legit or not after getting to know them, which is why I tend to rank PUAs I have actually met in real life.  If I haven’t met them, I need to get good feedback from at least 3 sources I trust to make the decision to rank them in this category.

Okay, so now that you know how I rank the list, let’s get to it!

The Top 10 PUAs Of 2009!


We have a new #1 this year, up from #2 last year, and it is my great pleasure to announce that the top pick up artist of 2009 is AFC Adam Lyons.

Now, this might come as a surprise to many people out there, especially considering that Adam is one of the few pick up instructors out there who is actually married, but hear me out here…

First of all, Adam is one of the rare PUAs out there that is an innovator.  He’s personally responsible for coming up with some of the most exciting new material out there when it comes to meeting women and picking them up.  His lectures on “Meta game” alone can rival anything Mystery would lecture about back in the day, and his methods have proven to be effective time and time again.

Adam is also probably one of the most widely traveled PUA instructors operating today.  Not only has he run bootcamps around the US, but he also does numerous workshops overseas as well, proving that his methods work internationally.

In addition to all that, and probably one of the biggest reasons why he won out for the top spot this year, is that the students at Adam’s bootcamps get some of the most amazing results I’ve ever seen at any bootcamp anywhere – and consistently at that.  It’s not unusual for his students to get some type of close at his workshop, some of which have even boasted a 100% close rate – in which every single workshop student either made out with a girl or had sex within the time period of the bootcamp.

This is also reflected in the enormous amount of good reviews that Adam and his workshops get consistently from students.  Adam is able to tailor his teachings and his approach to help his students get great results.  Does that mean every student Adam gets is 100% satisfied?  Probably not, since some guys out there have a hard time learning these methods, but from my experience, a ton of guys out there, and the majority of the people who take an AFC Adam bootcamp, are happy with the attention they received and the results they got.

Adam has also gotten a lot of press in 2009 – good press which is a positive reflection on the Seduction Community in general, from TV appearances to full page profiles in major magazines, Adam’s savvy media skills prove that pick up isn’t sleazy or sexist, but can actually be healthy for both men and women.

But most of all, Adam is also responsible for personally training a HUGE number of PUA’s who teach other rival companies workshops.  Not since Mystery have I met a PUA who was personally responsible for spawning so many pick up instructors.  If you’ve taken a workshop from any company, chances are you’ve met an instructor who was trained by AFC Adam Lyons.

Probably the biggest criticism I can think of about Adam being the #1 PUA in the world for 2009 is the fat that he is married.  It can be argued how can one have a Pick Up Artist who isn’t able to actually pick up women?

Again, this is where my list differs from most.  I don’t just look at a PUA’s ability to get numerous women to sleep with him.  To me, there are many other factors that play a pivotal role in my rankings.  But to me, getting married is NOT a strike against a pick up artist.

I believe that a PUA who has a girlfriend or a steady relationship of some sort is a sign of mastery.  The fact that AFC Adam not only got married this year, but got married to an amazing (and beautiful) woman is a huge sign of the level of relationship mastery this pick up artist has achieved.  After all, what is the point to mastering one’s love life if that love life is nothing but a stream of meaningless one night stands and shallow relationships that don’t bring either party any sense of lasting happiness?

To me, finding a great girl and falling in love and getting married is extremely END GAME.  Adam not only found a great girl, but also continues to teach PUA with her help AND support.  What other PUA can boast that type of achievement while continuing to have a have a healthy relationship?  (Answer: not many!)

And though Adam is married, he is still able to demonstrate his teachings to his students effectively.  Sure, he may not be the “uber-pua” he used to be, rolling into clubs with 40 women at a time, all of which were competing to sleep with him, but that doesn’t make his methods any less effective.

Because of all this, and the fact that my interactions with Adam continue to prove that he is a well balanced, intelligent, and god natured human being, leads me to give the crown of the world’s #1 PUA of 2009 to him.

2.  Brad P.

Last year’s number one falls to the number two spot this year, not because his skills have diminished at all, but because Adam just brought his A-Game in 2009.

Brad P. is still an incredibly innovative PUA, and I would argue that he’s “de-throned” Mystery as the figurehead of the Seduction Community.  Not only is Brad aon the forefront of teaching workshops here in the US, but he’s also mastered the art of helping his students reach amazing results.

In fact, Brad’s biggest achievement this year comes in the form of his Pick Up Mansions, where his students live in LA with almost daily interaction with instructors where they’re taken out to clubs in Hollywood and taught everything they need to know about getting super hot women.

Brad actually took me on a tour of the two Pick Up Mansions operating in Hollywood, and I must say, I was quite impressed.  In a way, it sort of reminded me of the days of Project Hollywood, only the houses weren’t as nice and there was far less drama and way more girls involved.

Like Adam, Brad is also training quite a formidable stable of qualified instructors, though they seem to be only working within his business at the moment as opposed to the numerous people Adam has trained which moved on to chase their own fame as Pick Up Instructors.

Like Adam, Brad’s workshops consistently get great reviews, and Brad’s skills as a pick up artist are sharper than most people’s I’ve seen in this industry.  And unlike most PUA’s, Brad doesn’t have an ego about his skills.  He freely admits that Pick Up is hard, and he doesn’t always get the girl he wants, but he never stops trying, and that kind of truthfulness is extremely refreshing in an industry where PUAs continually overexagerate their prowess to get more male applaumb.

On the training front, Brad still boasts one of the best darn seduction products on the market – his 30/30 club, which I personally think is amazing.  Brad’s focus on quality never ceases to amaze me.  He actually turns away students for his 30/30 Gold club because he can only give so much personal attention!  It’s this dedication to his students and sheer skill in the field that makes Brad one of the top PUA’s of 2009.

And who knows?  Maybe next year he’ll be able to reclaim the #1 spot.  I guess we’ll see.

3.  Neil Stauss (“Style”)

A mainstay of the Top 10 retains his number three spot this year, though in sheer individual skill, Neil has never been anything less than #1 in my book.  But again, my rankings go by many other factors than just individual skill, which is why I ranked Adam and Brad above the “Master” pua Style.

Neil’s Stylelife Academy continues to teach numerous students amazingly effective techniques straight from Neil’s playbook, and they have also started putting on live seminars to help teach people how to live full and well-rounded lives.  For that, Neil must be commended, but even with all that, Neil himself has been relatively absent from the community this year.

This isn’t a criticism, since Neil is a professional author as opposed to a professional pick up artist and has other responsibilities, but gone are the times where we’d see Neil posting his latest adventure, technique, or criticism on a public forum, which is a real shame.

However, like most master PUAs, Neil does have a new girlfriend who he has been having crazy, wile, sexual adventures with.  Neil has even boasted to me how he has regular threesomes, foursomes, and even FIVESOMES (all women, of course) now, which has pretty much zapped his motivation to go out and pick up.  Not that I can blame the guy!

It used to be Rick H. was the gold standard by which one would judge PUA orgies.  Now it seems that title is going to belong to Neil.

Neil’s books also continue to recruit new blood into the community on a daily basis, and he’s truly solidified his position as a “Grand Master” of the seduction community.  Hopefully 2010 will bring us more vintage Neil.

4.  Cajun

Cajun is one of two Love Systems instructors who made it onto this year’s top 10, and in my opinion, it is long over due.  Cajun is probably most famous for his appearance of the TV show “Keys to the VIP,” where he showed his skills in club approaches in a competition setting.

That was early in his career though.  Since then, I’ve heard about how Cajun has come a long, long way.  I actually got to meet Cajun in Las Vegas this year at the annual Love Systems Superconference, and was quite impressed with the vibe I got off him when I did.  Unfortunately, I did not get to hang out with him as much as I would have liked.

However, I have heard from numerous sources that Cajun is the “real deal” when it comes to not only being a solid instructor, but a tried-and-true pick up artist in his own right.  I’m also hearing rumors that he’s developing some of his own techniques to fit within the Love Systems “Mystery Method-esque” style of pick up.

So Cajun debuts at #4 based on his sheer skill and prowess as a pua, and his ability as an instructor.  I’m hoping I can see more of him in 2010.

5.  Mystery

I debated including Mystery on this year’s list or not.  I don’t think it can be disputed that Mystery is a great pick up artist, but 2009 did not seem to be his year.  His VH1 show got canceled, and it would appear his fame hasn’t helped his game much.  I’ve heard numerous reports from various sources that his reputation as a “Pick Up Artist” has made it very difficult for him to actually pick up girls in clubs here in America, who recognize him and prefer to run away as opposed to giving into his shtick.

This may explain why Mystery is spending most of his time in Thailand now.  But not all is bad, the cancellation of the TV show has forced Mystery to teach more workshops in 2009, and no matter what you say about Mystery, you can’t deny that he’s a darn good teacher.

I’m really hoping Mystery comes back to his roots in 2010.  It would be nice to see him actually get excited about pick up again, and engage with the community at large.  Sure, he’s a daddy now, and that seems to have grounded him, but I miss the Mystery I knew in 2004 and 2005, and I really hope he can make a comeback soon, because that guy revolutionized the seduction community.  Can he do it again?  I sure hope so.

6.  Swinggcat

Swinggcat has always been a bit of an enigma in the Seduction Community.  He started off as the top “hypno-seducer” in the community, and eventually branched out into his own style of pick up, which has proven to be extremely successful.

But with his branching out, he has also removed himself from the seduction community at large.  Its very rare to find a post from him in any of the forums, even though he’s known to keep careful tabs on what people are writing.

But in actual, individual skill as a pick up artist, few come close to Swinggcat.  His ability to go out to a club and get laid is rivaled by few.  He’s not only a master of the “in-venue” close (read:  dragging a girl into a bathroom, closet, or alleyway and having sex), but he’s also quite good at getting one night stands by pulling girls back to his appartment.

He’s also able to get threesomes quite easily, and goes out to the clubs on an almost regular basis.  But 2009 has also seen Swinggcat branch out.  He’s not only started training instructors in his methods, but he’s also flirted with teaching in-field workshops, which up to now only a select few have been privy to.

If Swinggcat continues to grow as a teacher and engages more in the seduction community at large, I can see him climb the rankings next year very easily.

7.  Luke Krogh

To be honest, Luke probably deserves to be ranked higher on this list than he is, but in terms of experience and reach, the others just outrank him.  However, in skill, Luke can probably play with the best of them.

One of the things I like about Luke is that he’s an extremely effective PUA, even though he’s overweight, has a bad complexion, and would not be the typical image of a “pick up artist.”  In fact, I’d say Luke is the epitome of the “Looks Don’t Matter” argument when it comes to picking up women.

Luke is AFC Adam’s top instructor, and his apprentice.  In that respect, Luke isn’t really an innovator, but he has figured out how to get Adam’s teachings to work for him.  He’s famous for his AMOG techniques for blowing out the (often better looking) competition and running away with their women.

But Luke is also getting lots of play in clubs and strip clubs, often pulling girls directly from the venues for nights of crazy, wild, monkey love.

On top of all that as a skilled PUA, Luke is also an instructor on many of AFC Adam’s bootcamps, and his students are usually incredibly impressed with his teaching abilities.  That’s not to say Luke doesn’t suffer from the A.D.D. that seems to plauge most PUAs, but at least he’s able to get most of his students a result, and he’s got real world experience to back that up.

If Luke can start innovating more and continue to refine his teaching techniques, I wouldn’t be surprised if we’d see the next big PUA superstar.

8.  Keychain

Keychain came as a big surprise to me this year.  I had never heard of the guy before attending the Love System’s Superconference this year, and when I first met this Love Systems instructor, I was unsure what to make of him.  The guy looks like a scrawny, British, almost less-annoying version of Carrot Top.  In fact, he almost comes off as effeminate when you first meet him.

But after seeing him lecture at the event, I could see that not only is he probably one of Love Systems best lecturers, but he also has a very firm grasp of the concepts and techniques surrounding the pick up arts.

I’m also told his skill level as a PUA is quite good too, though I unfortunately did not get a chance to see him in action myself this year, but I have sources who assure me the guy is the real deal.

Hopefully I’ll get to see and hear more from Keychain in 2010.  He’s definitely one I’ll be keeping an eye on.

9.  Glen P.

Glen P is one of the few PUAs who made it on the list this year that I did not get to meet, and the only PUA on the list that I have actually NEVER met at one point or another.

So it speaks volumes that everyone I talk to about him is incredibly impressed with Glen’s skill as a Pick Up Artist.

Glen is an instructor in the Brad P camp, and supposedly he has a style which is mostly his own.  Students rave about his prowess as both a pick up artist and an instructor, and I’ve even heard hidden audio recordings which showcases Glen’s ability to cold approach and pick up anywhere.

One of my goals for 2009 was to meet Glen P in person, but unfortunately that just did not happen.  I’m sure that Glen probably deserves a higher spot on the list, but the fact that every bit of info I have on the guy is from second and thrid party sources makes that kind of hard.

However, his legend and reputation is growing.  Who knows?  Maybe 2010 will be the year of Glen?

10.  Asian Playboy

This year’s list rounds out with that of Asian Playboy, one of the few successful Asian pick up instructors.  I’ve had the pleasure of meeting Asian Playboy a few times, and I’ve always enjoyed it.  But his skill as a pick up artist and a businessman seems to be growing as time goes on.

I have it on good authority from more than a few sources that Asian Playboy is out in the field almost CONSTANTLY, which is always a good sign for a guy who teaches Pick Up.  Also, his specialty in picking up “white women” seems to be why his appeal is growing in the asian community.

Asian Playboy is also becoming a lot more media savvy, gaining more mainstream exposure for his methods and his business.

I did not get to hang out with Asian Playboy in 2009, but I don’t doubt that there is no better Asian pick up artist out there.  Can he compete with the other PUAs on this list?  Quite possibly.  Hopefully 2010 will bring us more from the Asian Playboy camp.

So there you go, true believes, this year’s top 10 PUA list!  I’d like to thank everyone reading this for supporting my blog, even though it hasn’t been updated in forever (something I’m making a resolution to correct this year!).

And for those of you who want to be considered for the top 10 next year, here are a few guidelines you’ll want to consider…

1.  Be innovative!  Don’t just copy someone else’s style.  Come up with something that is uniquely your own.

2.  Make contributions to the community.  This can be in the form of posts, lair meetings, workshops – anything where you help guys improve their lives.

3.  Promote healthy relationships.  Show that you can have a steady girlfriend or a healthy relationship with a girl.

4.  Check your ego.  If other people talk about you, you’re probably good.  If you’re the only one talking about you, you probably suck.

5.  Try and meet me in person.  I very rarely rank someone I haven’t personally met at some point, and there is a reason for that.  If you want to seriously be considered for a 2010 ranking, we gotta meet up – preferably in LA, so I don’t have to travel.  ;-)

That’s it!  Happy new year everyone!


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92 Responses to “The Top 10 Pick Up Artist Of 2009!”
  1. Happy 2010 man. If you’ve ever in NYC you should come meet me :) I am gonna show you how to pick up chicks in a suit!!

    Yours in awesomeness,

  2. Thundercat says:

    I’ll be sure to SUIT UP! It’ll be Legend… wait for it… DARY!


  3. Your #1 selection, AFC Adam Lyons, along with his lovely and delightful bride Amanda, will be joining Hypnotica and me for our annual ‘Picking Up PornStars and other Professional Beauties’ workshop at the AVN Porno Convention…
    This year, we’ve got over a dozen coaches coming in to offer guidance and ‘wing’ with participants ‘in-field’ at the Industry events and parties!

    Once again, you are invited to swing by, either as a fly-on-the-wall, a participating Guest Coach, or just to say HEY!

    Details are online at

    Asian Playboy, your #10 spot holder, as well as a dozen other first-tier dating coaches and Personal Development experts, such as Steve & Erin Pavlina (, Erika Awakening, Orleans (from Vin Dicarlo), Prophet (from Venusian Arts), Steve Miles (Sexual Chocolate), Neil Natura (of LevelUpLife, coming in from Denmark), Harlequin & London Paladin (both coming in from London) , Nick Quick (Charming Rogue), Jack Hearts (of, coming in from Norway), Mehow’s former head coach, DJ Fuji, Hristiyan (formerly Pickup101), and others from whom we’re still waiting for final word!

    This will, as always, be an AMAZING event – but since the Porn Industry is suffering so badly from the poor economy, piracy, and tube-sites sharing everything without paying for it, this will likely be the very last Adult Entertainment Expo!

    As with everything we offer, there’s an ABSOLUTE SATISFACTION GUARANTEE, and this year, we’re happy to offer financing for students who truly want to elevate their Game, but can’t afford to pay all at once :)

    Johnny Soporno

  4. Chris says:

    I’m glad you’re still doing this list… but I’m not sure if Adam Lyons should still be considered a pickup artist..

    I think I would have handled it more like TSB Magazine did with their top 10 list this year:

    And I know you’ve included Swingcat for awhile, I would really like
    to see that guy come out and contribute more… other than his push/pull
    stuff i dont’ really kjnow much from him

  5. Chris Calo says:

    Hey Thundercat, I enjoyed the list even though I might have placed a few people differently… and even then, there are names that I didn’t recognize: Glen P for instance?

    Anyhow, good write up, see ya in 2010 ;)

  6. BULLSHIT says:

    All affiliates, Where’s Mehow, Where is Johnny Soporno, Hypnotica, Vince, Terrence?
    All these guys brought more to the community in 2009 then your outdated list.
    Adam is good.
    but this year Now it’s officially obvious how Bullshit this list is.
    Well at least Cosmo knows

  7. Actually, I have absolutely no business relationship or affiliate program with Thundercat. None. Zilch. Nada.

    For the contributions part, I’d like to point out, that there now exists an entirely SEPARATE PUA and Asian community. Imagine two Venn diagrams, one PUA and one Asian American, with an overlapping area.

    On almost every single Asian American board and website, there is a subset PUA community. I like to think I had a major part in creating this separate secret society. One part PUA, one part cultural.

    Anyways, thanks Thundy!

    JT the Asian Playboy

  8. Ace says:

    Adam continues to be an inspiration; his ability to break down interactions is unparalleled and his infield ability is the most consistent i have ever seen… and i have seen them all.

  9. David says:

    Adam is perhaps the only PUA who is half-way charming and human in a cesspit of charlatans

  10. lotionboy says:

    anyone perform a ‘new year’s eve’ last night?

  11. Okay, I am throwing my hat in the ring for best Pick Up Artist of 2010. If you can figure out how to reach me, you are

  12. totally invited to be my wingman here in New York City, capital of HOT CHICKS FROM ALL AROUND THE WORLD. We can exchange ideas from our respective styles: I will teach you to perform the Lorenzo Von Matterhorn, while you can show me how to kino escalate using a bar napkin, for example.

    I also plan to publish educational materials regarding topics little addressed in the community at the moment, such as how to walk away after a hot, sweaty experimental night a chick and not have to call again.

    But seriously, I would love a good wingman to hit the town with. Catch me if you can.
    PS: my message was so awesome, that I had to spread it out over two comments.

  13. Thundercat says:

    Barney – I actually prefer the Ted Mosbey for its simplicity. But I’d be down to learn The Scubadiver. That one seems like it would take some skill to pull off.


    P.S. Don’t you have your own blog?

  14. Only if you can find it. (Hint: click _this_. No, that’s not a link — that’s why it’s a HINT!)

  15. Johnny Wolf says:

    Great list yet again for 2010. Thundercat is the original poster of the top 10 Pick Up Artists and you still do a fantastic job at it.

    I’ve personally hung out with most of the people on your top ten list and definetely agree. Adam Lyons, Asian Playboy, Mystery, Style, and Brad P are all fantastic.

    -Johnny Wolf – My Personal Blog

  16. Zardoz says:

    No RSD guys this year? After all the golden insights into natural game? No Vin Dicarlo?

    There are too many of these guys now. I love all this knowledge but the shit is exhausting. I know so many guys that are just fucking golden at picking up girls. But I suppose they will never hold a seminar, or write the next great piece of philosophy.

  17. Paul says:

    Wow, what a fucking joke!

    1. AFC Adam: Has slept with less with 15 women and he refuses to demo himself on bootcamp.

    2. BradP: Where is his infield footage? No footage, no proof. He is just another clown in my book.

    3. Style: Fucks Amy Jo, who is a 5 and Stephane’s former gf. Style is a fucking loser.

    Thundercat you are some fut fuck with no credibility, go eat more pizza and stop giving unqualified opinions.

    Now go eat a cock! Fat loser

  18. Paul says:

    Oh btw, the REAL #1 PUA of 2009 is 60yearsofchallenge.

    His book is better than anything any of your gay “guru” friends has ever come up with.

    Thundercat, you should care more about not having to pay for sex and stop making stupid lists. How will you know who is legit and who isn’t if you can’t do it yourself??

    You are just some fat idiot with ZERO personality or social skills. You are just good as scaming people, you are just another creepy internet marketer.

    Now let me tell you this again, go eat a cock you fat loser! Stop eating, get out of the house and join a gym!

    Fucking fat clown…

  19. SmoothDoc says:

    Thanks for doing your effort in this list again.

    Just 1 question to you Thundercat.

    How can I reach your collegue Swingcat? This guy is getting a bit legendary.

    I am always curious, and would like to invite him to the RMC.

    Just don’t know how to reach him. You think he’s willing to perform at a conference?



  20. Thundercat says:


    1. I’ve personally seen AFCAdam demo stuff at his workshops. I also saw him before he got married and the guy was insane. And I don’t know where you got the 15 women number. Many guys in the London Lair can attest to the fact that he’s slept with way more than that. I believe his numbers are in the triple digits.

    2. I don’t need video. I’ve been out with Brad himself. I’ve seen it with my own eyes. The guy is legit. Besides, video can be misleading. I’ve seen lots of video from lose PUAs who can’t get women to save their lives which made them look like masters. Nothing beats seeing the real thing in the field.

    3. I believe Style is with Ghita. Anyway, I’m not here to judge the women people are with. If they’re happy, that’s the real point. right?

    If you don’t agree with my rankings, that’s fine. Follow the people who’s techniques work best for you. All I can say is that due to my years of experience in this field, these are the top guys based on my opinion.


    You should be able to get in touch with Swinggcat through his website. I know he’s done speeches at other conferences in the past, but he’s quite flakey, so its hard to peg him down, and even if he agrees to come, it’s not 100% he will. But it never hurts to ask him!


  21. It totally blows my mind how fast people can get good. Just 18 months ago me and Keychain were doing project rockstar together and now he’s a total hero. Gotta say I’m proud that my homie made the list. To think guys can learn strong game in the tiniest town in England.

  22. Thundercat says:

    LondonPaladin – I was surprised by Keychain too! Hopefully I’ll get to know him a bit better in 2010.


  23. J says:

    Last year I wrote a post about Glenn P. being the best new PUA. Whether or not this years list really ranks the top 10 or if it even matters… It’s great to see Glenn get some long overdue recognition in the community.

    PS Thundy, you never paid me last year! So do a podcast with Glenn already!! :)

  24. Anonymous says:

    What about Sinn?.. I know the guy has a big mouth, but some of his ideas, in particular day game are amazing.

  25. james says:

    Paul says: 1. AFC Adam: “Has slept with less with 15 women and he refuses to demo himself on bootcamp.”- Not that i think you’re wrong i would just like to know where you got this evidence from.

  26. james says:

    BULLSHIT says:
    January 1, 2010 at 9:52 am
    All affiliates, Where’s Mehow, Where is Johnny Soporno, Hypnotica, Vince, Terrence?
    All these guys brought more to the community in 2009 then your outdated list.
    Adam is good.
    but this year Now it’s officially obvious how Bullshit this list is.
    Well at least Cosmo knows

    I agree that mehow is at least a fairly good pua. But i read that cosmo article and it doesn’t mean mehow is so great because 1 girl was into him. You would have to test their skills on a many women to convince me. Mehow tries way to hard to make himself look like the best.

  27. sen dawg says:

    Hey man, you should update your list and get out more, there are more PUA’s and dating coaches that dont live in LA.

    1.Absolutely its JS aka Sinn

    2.Awaken NYC, One on one Daygame and hired gun game tied w Doc Holiday but Doc retired.

    3.AFC ADam , Gambler and whole crew. They invaded the US market in 2009.least expensive bootcamps , went down to 3 cause the instructors dont demo.

    4.Entropy, head of Practical Pickup , from notorious Boston Crew and known for infamous fling w Erika awakening.

    4.Braddock and Mr.M, their new seminars and interview series changed into LS different from MM.

    5.ElTopo, nuff said.

    6.Asian Playboy , this man has trained amazing talent like Johnny Wolf, Will-Iam ,SAffron and Ozzie.Deals with most difficult type of students and has a gorgeous GF

    7.Speer best infield insider of 2009 and guy is persistent like no other.

    8.MEhow, he has changed from 2007-2008 in 2009 eveolved into fast sexualized game and for his breakdowns.

    9. BRadP kept it Low but he still top.

    10. Mystery , cause he is Mystery :) .

  28. Thundercat says:

    Sen Dawg – a lot of people on the list don’t live in LA.

    As far as Sinn goes, I’d love to see him in field. But most of my reports about him have to do with him never approaching when he goes out in public in favor of getting sloppy drunk. Not saying he doesn’t have skills, its just that no one I trust saw him do anything worthwhile in 2009, so its hard for me to rank him.

    Never heard of Awaken NYC, El Topo, or Entropy. Would like to know more about them.

    Met Braddock and Mr. M, but didn’t get to see them in action. Nice guys though. I got more third party info on Cajun than anyone else in the Love Systems crew, and I really liked Keychain.

    Heard mixed reviews about Speer. Some people swear by him. Others say he’s a huge fraud. I’d need to meet him in person to figure out where he stands.

    Mehow’s a huge fraud. I’ll be posting stuff about him soon enough.


  29. This is an awesome list and very well thought out. It’s good to see a list that takes into account the main players and not just favoring some keyboard jockeys. As always, you’re the standard and I hope I’ll get to kick it with you and APB at some point this year!


  30. Ray Gordon's taint says:

    “it would appear his fame hasn’t helped his game much. I’ve heard numerous reports from various sources that his reputation as a “Pick Up Artist” has made it very difficult for him to actually pick up girls in clubs here in America, who recognize him and prefer to run away as opposed to giving into his shtick.”

    Curious about this. Is there somewhere I can read about this?

    There should a list done by somebody based on straight up PUA’s who pick up and write about it – people who may serve as an example for other *community* members instead of mostly hearing about salesmen.

    I’m aware of the counter argument, but this community wasn’t exactly founded on a bunch of guys trying to make money off of everybody else. People used to just share info.

    This list is half “top ten in the pickup business”

  31. JohnDoe says:

    Didnt Sinn just name you the biggest fraud in the community

  32. Mr. Right says:

    Hey Thundercat why won’t you go on The BKRS anymore? you afraid of Barry?

    Also Gunwitch has a new podcast

  33. jack says:

    I like the list and gives me a chance to hear about different PUAs that are actually game-worthy. What happened to best newcomer PUA and best product Thundercat? I liked Stealth Attraction as a product, although the marketing was too much, got emails from six different puas!!

  34. james says:

    Thundercat says-Mehow’s a huge fraud. I’ll be posting stuff about him soon enough.
    I’m really intrested to read what you have to say. I have bought mehow’s products and they have for sure helped me become better at banter and being fun. But mehow claims his website beat Tony robbins and David Deangelo’s website in number of visits. i decided to check on that and here’s what i found. Tony website is ranked at 6,438 Mehow’s website is ranked at 79,671. That’s a freaken huge difference. So i’m not sure were mehow gets his info from. Mehow tries so hard to make it seem like everybody and their brother is desperatly buying his products.

  35. Don says:

    Very good list :) The best in the field – Brad P :) Massive respect ;D

  36. Kevin F says:

    Congrats APB, proud to be on the team!

  37. I’d say Paul Janka is way better in daygame, but I haven’t met all the PUAs.

  38. And Thundercat — first time I hear Mehow is a huge fraud. His ideas are very much spot on, regardless of whether you think he’s a fraud or not. Value velocity, familiarity etc. are very important. I’ll give you this much — he’s running a business.

  39. William says:

    Congrats Asian Playboy! It’s great to see you get recognized for your contributions to the pickup community, and to single men across the globe…

  40. LeonIL says:

    awesome top ten list, everytime i watch the MTV top ten and they play a band or an artist i like i get all worked up and excited about it, and i rarely get that feeling anymore, but when i actually do its a fun feeling, and seeing that Top ten list is like watching the linkin park top ten for me i simply idolize each and every one of these guys, and i started from the bottom just so i could say “what no way they got anyone better” each and everytime i scroll up, and i take my hat off for each and every one of these guys, they truely deserve their spot in ur topten list Thundercat.

  41. Awaken says:

    Hello Thundercat, thank you for taking the time to put together such an extensive list. What dating coaches do ultimately should be to empower others to achieve social and dating success. It’s one thing to be great yourself and another to free someone else. I think most of the guys you have on the list offer real insight into helping others. However, I am more apt to like “Sen Dawg’s” list more. Truthfully, only because he put me at #2 : ). If you wanna know more about me here is a link to an audio visual piece the New York time did on me.

    Looking Forward To Next Year,

    John Keegan aka Awaken

  42. FRAUDawaken says:

    Awaken you’re a loser dude. I’ve seen you in NYC talking to your homie Brett. You are just like a lot of these guys trying to take a poor students money selling them on a dream. And your little video is full of uglies.

    Goodluck with your goal of being a top 10 PUA. I think guys with real skills don’t have to go out of their way to prove it, people find them and rank them.

  43. Awaken says:

    Thanks fraud awaken: There is my real name and you can find my real number on the inernet. If you want to use your real name and meet real women…feel free to give me a call : )

  44. Pierce says:

    Listen life is tough! In every list their is bullshit! Combine all the lists and you will get a who is who in the society.

    I would be a bit carefull about the opinions around you in ranking. I see a lot of (not all) students of other instructors. Companies seem to be pushing their personal instructors and students. My opinion regardless if you see them or not, if they don’t have the chops to run their own biz or stand on their own value, ranking them in a top ten seems a little careless. I want to see and hear true top dawgs who are doing it, instead of following it. Pierce

  45. Anonymous says:

    style should not be there come on!!! I know he is your friend but he should not be there.

  46. lars says:

    I have worked with a few of the pua coaches in nyc. I am glad to see Glen P on the list. This guy is the real deal. He is it. He lives it.

  47. cookie says:

    this is just thundercats view man. why all the hate? if you dont like it go out and game and get yourself a whole lot of hot babes such as celebs and rank yourself at number 1. pua’s dont type hate messages as if its youtube. support one another dude. geezz

  48. FRAUDawaken says:

    Like I said buddy, goodluck. I would probably call someone else before i called you, but if I can’t get anyone, I’m sure you’d pick up…and take my money haha. Cheers buddy.

  49. lil bad says:

    Kick Ass List! It is kind of silly though to have a top ten list of PUA’s. I mean what are these guys like rock stars now?

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