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	<title>Comments on: Cliff&#8217;s List Seminar Report, Part I</title>
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		<title>By: JamesARops</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 06:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FUCKKKKK ROSS JEFFRIES THE MUTHAFUKA HE HAS NO GAME AT ALL, ID LIKE TO SEE HIM AGAINST SOME REAL PLAYERS LIKE BRENT AND STEVE THE DEAN WILLIAMS(WWW.DATINGLOVEANDSEX.COM)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FUCKKKKK ROSS JEFFRIES THE MUTHAFUKA HE HAS NO GAME AT ALL, ID LIKE TO SEE HIM AGAINST SOME REAL PLAYERS LIKE BRENT AND STEVE THE DEAN WILLIAMS(WWW.DATINGLOVEANDSEX.COM)</p>
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		<title>By: Ninja</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ninja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2005 21:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;5,000 to your favorite charity if they don&#039;t include a good piece of the sit-down interview with me.

RJ
93/93&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;b&gt;Get my $5000 check ready and made out to Ninja&#039;s Fund For Entering the Hottest Clubs and Fucking the Most Desired Chicks.&lt;/b&gt;



&lt;blockquote&gt;Look: anyone who questions my media savvy is just NUTS. I&#039;ve been on dozens of TV shows since I started in the early 90&#039;s. One thing I know how to do, without question, is handle the media, deliver up what they want ANd get my own message across.

Anyone who doubts it is just uninformed or willfully stupid.

In fact, the Prime Time Live correspondent called me, and I quote, &quot;a sound bite machine&quot;.

RJ&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Last night when John Quinones signed off he said, &quot;next week....Secret Society.... Seduction Community..... &lt;b&gt;BUT how do the women rate them?&quot;&lt;/b&gt;

Do you really expect AFC&#039;s to air a positive piece on us when they think what we are doing is tricking women into bed? Don&#039;t &lt;b&gt;call the execs and the producers of PrimetimeLive &quot;scum&quot; Ross,&lt;/b&gt; when you vehemently promoted yourself for that show airing next week, have my $5000 check ready.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>5,000 to your favorite charity if they don&#8217;t include a good piece of the sit-down interview with me.</p>
<p>RJ<br />
93/93</p></blockquote>
<p><b>Get my $5000 check ready and made out to Ninja&#8217;s Fund For Entering the Hottest Clubs and Fucking the Most Desired Chicks.</b></p>
<blockquote><p>Look: anyone who questions my media savvy is just NUTS. I&#8217;ve been on dozens of TV shows since I started in the early 90&#8242;s. One thing I know how to do, without question, is handle the media, deliver up what they want ANd get my own message across.</p>
<p>Anyone who doubts it is just uninformed or willfully stupid.</p>
<p>In fact, the Prime Time Live correspondent called me, and I quote, &#8220;a sound bite machine&#8221;.</p>
<p>RJ</p></blockquote>
<p>Last night when John Quinones signed off he said, &#8220;next week&#8230;.Secret Society&#8230;. Seduction Community&#8230;.. <b>BUT how do the women rate them?&#8221;</b></p>
<p>Do you really expect AFC&#8217;s to air a positive piece on us when they think what we are doing is tricking women into bed? Don&#8217;t <b>call the execs and the producers of PrimetimeLive &#8220;scum&#8221; Ross,</b> when you vehemently promoted yourself for that show airing next week, have my $5000 check ready.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian David Phillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian David Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2005 02:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Look: anyone who questions my media savvy is just NUTS. I&#039;ve been on dozens of TV shows since I started in the early 90&#039;s. One thing I know how to do, without question, is handle the media, deliver up what they want ANd get my own message across.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;And what does this exposure get you? You&#039;re just a media oddity, a freak they trot out to ridicule so middle america can feel good about themselves&lt;/em&gt;

This has had some bit of truth to it in terms of a couple of the magazine interviews that Ross has done in the past . . . where he is portrayed as a middle aged letch . . . however, he&#039;s also had some very good exposure in very mainstream places and seems to have learned a lot in recent years on presentation to better leverage final coverage.  I would say that he&#039;s much more savvy about how to present himself to the media now than in the past.

While I would suggest not counting chickens until the eggs are hatched regarding the &lt;em&gt;Prime Time&lt;/em&gt; piece as a lot of folks have been burned in the past when it comes to media coverage (for instance the umpteen Penn &amp; Teller &lt;em&gt;Bullshit&lt;/em&gt; episodes that have featured folks who thought they were going to be portrayed as the &quot;talking head good guy&quot; when in fact they were the &quot;mark&quot;) . . . we don&#039;t get the program here so I&#039;m hoping some kind soul back in the &lt;em&gt;Beautiful Country&lt;/em&gt; (Meiguo = Beautiful+Country = America) will tape it and send it to me.

Ross came off very very well in the Louis Theroux piece on hypnosis and the like in Las Vegas from the BBC while the others interviewed came off as whackjobs and fruitcakes (Marshall Sylver came off very very poorly).  Louis expressed concerns about the ethics and power of what he was doing during the walkups (with Ross inside his head via a radio earplug) but Ross really came off as completely congruent in what he does and as very effective.

&lt;em&gt;If you were &quot;media savvy&quot; then why do you continually lose market share?&lt;/em&gt;

Where do you get your numbers to determine this?  Is there a seduction market forecast blog somewhere where I could see this? :-)

I suspect you are correct that Ross has indeed lost market share in recent years in that the &quot;seduction pie&quot; now has many more &quot;trainers&quot; or &quot;gurus&quot; out there than it had in the past.  Naturally, as more folks enter the marketplace, the share for any individual trainer goes down.  However, this does not mean that someone&#039;s product is inferior.  Nor does it mean that Ross has is losing money compared to when he was more &quot;dominant&quot; in the market (by virtue of being one of the few games in town).

While I for one disagree with statements that Ross is the &quot;father&quot; or &quot;grandfather&quot; or whatever of &quot;seduction&quot; . . . he is not . . . &lt;em&gt;Cassanova&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;Don Juan&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;Rudolf Valentino&lt;/em&gt; and a whole slew of guys were doing this sort of stuff long before any of the current &quot;masters&quot; were even alive, looooonnnng before . . . besides, when we step past myth and into modern reality, those of us old enough to remember &lt;em&gt;Eric Weber&lt;/em&gt; know better (or even &lt;em&gt;Ugly George&lt;/em&gt; who really should have a shrine to him somewhere just for sheer balls) . . . but he certainly is the major influence behind the evolution of the contemporary Seduction Community per se.  Of course, as the community has grown, so should Ross and his approach . . . and there are vast differences between his current material and what he used to present (well, as far as I can see but then I haven&#039;t seen everything he&#039;s done and can&#039;t quote from memory umpteen million tapes or videos from a multitude of different folks selling this or that . . . when it comes to that sort of thing I&#039;m more of a punter than a professional, I suppose).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Look: anyone who questions my media savvy is just NUTS. I&#8217;ve been on dozens of TV shows since I started in the early 90&#8242;s. One thing I know how to do, without question, is handle the media, deliver up what they want ANd get my own message across.</em></p>
<p><em>And what does this exposure get you? You&#8217;re just a media oddity, a freak they trot out to ridicule so middle america can feel good about themselves</em></p>
<p>This has had some bit of truth to it in terms of a couple of the magazine interviews that Ross has done in the past . . . where he is portrayed as a middle aged letch . . . however, he&#8217;s also had some very good exposure in very mainstream places and seems to have learned a lot in recent years on presentation to better leverage final coverage.  I would say that he&#8217;s much more savvy about how to present himself to the media now than in the past.</p>
<p>While I would suggest not counting chickens until the eggs are hatched regarding the <em>Prime Time</em> piece as a lot of folks have been burned in the past when it comes to media coverage (for instance the umpteen Penn &#038; Teller <em>Bullshit</em> episodes that have featured folks who thought they were going to be portrayed as the &#8220;talking head good guy&#8221; when in fact they were the &#8220;mark&#8221;) . . . we don&#8217;t get the program here so I&#8217;m hoping some kind soul back in the <em>Beautiful Country</em> (Meiguo = Beautiful+Country = America) will tape it and send it to me.</p>
<p>Ross came off very very well in the Louis Theroux piece on hypnosis and the like in Las Vegas from the BBC while the others interviewed came off as whackjobs and fruitcakes (Marshall Sylver came off very very poorly).  Louis expressed concerns about the ethics and power of what he was doing during the walkups (with Ross inside his head via a radio earplug) but Ross really came off as completely congruent in what he does and as very effective.</p>
<p><em>If you were &#8220;media savvy&#8221; then why do you continually lose market share?</em></p>
<p>Where do you get your numbers to determine this?  Is there a seduction market forecast blog somewhere where I could see this? <img src='http://www.thundercatseductionlair.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I suspect you are correct that Ross has indeed lost market share in recent years in that the &#8220;seduction pie&#8221; now has many more &#8220;trainers&#8221; or &#8220;gurus&#8221; out there than it had in the past.  Naturally, as more folks enter the marketplace, the share for any individual trainer goes down.  However, this does not mean that someone&#8217;s product is inferior.  Nor does it mean that Ross has is losing money compared to when he was more &#8220;dominant&#8221; in the market (by virtue of being one of the few games in town).</p>
<p>While I for one disagree with statements that Ross is the &#8220;father&#8221; or &#8220;grandfather&#8221; or whatever of &#8220;seduction&#8221; . . . he is not . . . <em>Cassanova</em> and <em>Don Juan</em> and <em>Rudolf Valentino</em> and a whole slew of guys were doing this sort of stuff long before any of the current &#8220;masters&#8221; were even alive, looooonnnng before . . . besides, when we step past myth and into modern reality, those of us old enough to remember <em>Eric Weber</em> know better (or even <em>Ugly George</em> who really should have a shrine to him somewhere just for sheer balls) . . . but he certainly is the major influence behind the evolution of the contemporary Seduction Community per se.  Of course, as the community has grown, so should Ross and his approach . . . and there are vast differences between his current material and what he used to present (well, as far as I can see but then I haven&#8217;t seen everything he&#8217;s done and can&#8217;t quote from memory umpteen million tapes or videos from a multitude of different folks selling this or that . . . when it comes to that sort of thing I&#8217;m more of a punter than a professional, I suppose).</p>
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