Cliff’s List Seminar Is Here!
July 15, 2005 by Thundercat
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Well, it’s July 15th, and it looks like the biggest event in the seduction community this year, the Cliff’s List Seminar, is going to kick-off today!
Unfortuneately, I will not be a part of it.
Some responsibilities here in Los Angeles have forced me to cancel my trip to Cliff’s Seminar. Cliff knows about it, and I’m very sorry to all of you who were expecting to see me there. I was looking forward to meeting all the guest speakers and attendees, but right now a weekend in Montreal just isn’t possible for me.
If anyone would like to write a detailed report of the seminar (see my DYD Masters recap as an example) and take pictures of the event, I’ll pay $$$ to post it on my site. Just make sure it’s nice and detailed! =)
Here’s the breakdown of the CLS as it stands now:
CLIFF’S LIST SEMINAR
Meet and Learn from this outstanding and unprecedented collection of the Top Masters of the Game, including the following Guest Speakers who will be appearing IN PERSON:
CONFIRMED:
David DeAngelo (www.doubleyourdating.com)
Juggler (www.charismasciences.com)
Doc (see his interview at http://www.cliffslist.com/page2c.pl)
Steve Celeste (Toecutter) (www.smoothinteractions.com)
Tyler Durden (www.realsocialdynamics.com)
Style (world famous writer and seducer)
Brian (see his interview at http://www.cliffslist.com/page2c.pl)
Patty Contenta (http://www.sensualitysecrets.com/)
Stephane (www.ideagasms.com)
Steve Piccus (www.stevepiccus.com)
Mark B. (popular contributor to Cliff’s List)
Zan (famed rake!)
Brent (www.absolutepowerdating.com)
Michael Emery (Bishop) (www.new-alpha.com)
Lance Mason (Sensei) (www.pickup101.com)
Will (www.youaresoinmyway.com)
The_One (AKA Cameron Teone) (http://www.fidentia.org/)
Dr Alex Benzer aka Dr Tao
David Shade (http://masterful-lover.com/)
Mystery (www.mysterymethod.com)
Stephen (AKA PlayboyLA) (www.ceimageconsulting.com)
Mike (AKA Sickboy) (www.ceimageconsulting.com)Tentatively confirmed:
Dimitri/Vincent (w w w.rapidsocialimpact.com)Highly likely:
Bart Baggett (www.myhandwriting.com)
David Van Arrick (www.askmastercla ss.com)Also attending:
Papa (www.realsocialdynamics.com)
Formhandle (www.fastseduction.com)
TokyoPUA (www.fastseduction.com)
Dwacon (www.dwacon.com)
Orion
Greg (www.seductionpro.com)
Dave M. (www.insiderinternetdating.com)
Savoy & Sinn (www.mysterymethod.com)Please note that with such a large list of invited guests, we cannot be responsible for last minute changes including non appearance of one or more of the above. However, many others have been invited and we expect this list to grow substantially by the time of the event.
PARTIAL TENTATIVE TOPIC LIST (subject to change):
David DeAngelo: Will talk about advanced material that he hasn’t shared previously.
Bishop: "Know where you ARE, so you know where to GO in seduction."
Brent: "Taking Back the Power You’ve Given to Women"
Steve Piccus: Would You Date Yourself or Working your Complementary Opposites for improving your inner game.
Dr Alex Benzer aka Dr Tao: Will talk about beliefs, doing some seriously mind-altering drills, and talking about some techniques.
David Shade’s talk will be on: "Threesomes: The Secrets To Making Your Fantasy A Reality"
Sickboy & PlayboyLA: Secrets to pick-up that lead to long-term relationships. So often the pick-up has to do with getting laid, ONS (One Night Stands), etc. What we are interesting in pa ssing on is our technique for meeting women that encourages long-term, healthy relationships. We plan to go into specific techniques that we teach that a ssist this dynamic as well as building a lifestyle which naturally att racts women that you are compatible with, reducing your need to spend a lot of time "sarging". Our clients tend to be very busy, and just don’t have the time to go out to clubs/bars, etc. so we have had to customize our work in this fashion enabling them to meet women through the natural rhythm of living their life rather than hitting "sets" over and over.
Sensei: Will talk on "Kino: The Power of a Gentle Touch".
Zan: "A Love Affair With Women"
Style: His topic will be: "Beyond the Approach — How to Keep a Woman."
Cameron: Belief and mentality of a man who is successful in attracting women. Seeing the Matrix & The 5 Attributes of a seducers. He will give a quick background of his journey and why he joined the community. His talk will include being comfortable in your own skin and the belief system paradigm shift.
Mark B.: Will cover the basics, his background, his experience and how that changed him, att raction, how to connect, etc.
Patty Contenta: will talk on body language, and how to recognize a woman’s subtle signals.
FABULOUS SPECIAL PARTY INCLUDED!
As a special bonus, the Seminar will feature a spectacular party being thrown in cooperation with a modelling agency. Many very attractive women will be in attendance.
To all the attendees, pay particular attention to: Style (the most powerful of the Jedi (BE SURE TO ADDRESS HIM AS SUCH WHEN HE TAKES THE STAGE! =) ) , Steve Piccus (the godfather of the seduction community. He’ll deny it, but its rumored MINE’99 got some of his best stuff (you know, the stuff that actually works) from this guy! Also, be sure to ask him about his ideas on Threesomes!), and Zan (the coolest guy I’ve ever met in this community. We should all aspire to be like Zan!). You’ll be able to learn incredible stuff from ALL the speakers, but to me, these three are the stand-outs.
Good luck, have fun, and be sure to post all your exploits at the seminar to this thread!
And I’m serious about paying $$$ for a detailed recap of the seminar with pictures. Email me for deatials if you’re interested.
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Once money gets involved you have to start to wonder who’s for real and who’s in it for profit. Anyone can make an attractive Product, website, Advertisement, and even Seminar. As a matter of fact, I’m sure some people could even make a convincing seminar, yet not be able to actually do what they claim. Now don’t jump to conclusions, I’m not saying I think anyone HAS done this yet, Im just saying it sort of takes away from the solidity of the concept.
I purposely looked to see what website had alot of information on it about how to do pick-ups without charging, and now Im glad I did. Forums postings are from people who are selfless and interested in the concept, while $$ can be about simply that – $$
I’m not a cheap ass, all Im saying is that somehow I find Selfless advice more appealing than advice for $$. Thank God for Forums and Message Boards and Blogs like this one. Maybe I’ve been watching too many episodes of Penn and Teller’s “Bullshit”, I dunno.
Whoooooh! (no Just kidding)
Does anyone actually have a report on the Cliffs List Seminar??
And by the way, YOU’RE FIRED!!!!!!!
Selfless, huh? What are these guys supposed to be the dalai lama?
Report is coming in a couple of days. I have emailed TC twice and have not heard back. It may just end up on a different blog!
Cheers!
Señorlukas
“I’m sure some people could even make a convincing seminar, yet not be able to actually do what they claim.”
You mean like Shark? Shark is a guy that has never written anything useful, that nobody ever saw him do anything anywhere, and does not have a single LR. Why is this guy so highly regarded? Probably because hi NEG HITS the community all the time.
No, he’s just a product of BadBoy’s bullshit marketing machine…
Oh sorry Loyal Subject, I didn’t hear that part where you’re trying to make people think you’re cooler than me. I want to hear it though – could you say it again?
“You mean like Shark? Shark is a guy that has never written anything useful, that nobody ever saw him do anything anywhere, and does not have a single LR. Why is this guy so highly regarded? Probably because hi NEG HITS the community all the time.”
Uh, you may want to check out old badboy workshop reports. And as Shark says “negs are for the WEAK”
“And as Shark says “negs are for the WEAK”
HHMmmMm was that shark or Saddam Hussein who said that?
Doof,
Shark has written tons of useful posts, many many students have seen him in action and he has posted at least 1 LR that I read myself.
Advice for next time: read what somebody wrote before you criticize them for not writing it!
Doof wrote:
“I’m sure some people could even make a convincing seminar, yet not be able to actually do what they claim.”
You mean like Shark? Shark is a guy that has never written anything useful, that nobody ever saw him do anything anywhere, and does not have a single LR. Why is this guy so highly regarded? Probably because hi NEG HITS the community all the time.
Did anyone confront DD about Catch Him Keep Him at the seminar? I’ve started to read it, and my observation so far is this: The newsletters sound a LOT like DeAngelo, and so does the website for it. However, the e-book itself doesn’t quite have the same sentence structure or word usage that DD uses. I’ll reserve my final opinion though until I’m through with the book.
Oh sorry Loyal Subject, I didn’t hear that part where you’re trying to make people think you’re cooler than me. I want to hear it though – could you say it again?
Ninja,
Grow up…shaking head. You’re COOLER than me…ok?…Jesus…youth.
Loyal Subject
These anonymous critics are really amuzing, and I know who it is…it is one impotent schizpopreniac without half of brain who doesnt deserve to be mentioned!
To answer the anonymous critics:
I ALWAYS TAKE THE STUDENTS, FROM MY FIRST WSHOP, TO MOST DIFFICULT PLACE:STREET AND APPROACH AND SEDUCE GIRLS MYSELF WITH MY STUDENTS, FEEL FREE TO ASK ANY STUDENT……
Will any of the students verify this info??
Verify which part?
“I ALWAYS TAKE THE STUDENTS, FROM MY FIRST WSHOP, TO MOST DIFFICULT PLACE:STREET AND APPROACH” – Yes
“AND SEDUCE GIRLS MYSELF WITH MY STUDENTS, FEEL FREE TO ASK ANY STUDENT……” – not on my workshop. We were in a hurry, running late so… We only saw him open just one girl as an example (just opening + 30 second chat). But even those 30 seconds were amazing to me. Her reaction and (shining eyes, smile etc…) told me SOMETHING awesome is going on.
But here’s the deal… I firmly believe that shark is ALL THAT GOOD based on his teaching. I didn’t see him seduce girls, but I fimrly believe he is without a doubt one of the best in the world. Can I say I saw him seduce girls? No I can not. Do I believe he is everything that all the other guys claim he is? Yes I do.
Hey Alek,
Thanks for the response but how is this guy different from DYD, Mystery, RSD…..
Are you kidding me? It’s like the difference between barbie dolls and military aircraft. There is no comparison. It’s a totally different framework. They are not in competition. They are in totally different dimensions of reality.
sexy evil
what kind of question is that when Alek has said he hasn’t even met the guy?? He says he believes due to what others say. And thats how almost everyone here creates their beliefs anyway. It just so happens.
The reason why guys here are bad with women is not because the instructors are “among the best in the world”. Do you know how many ladies men out there in the world?
But rather as most of you can tell from the comments in this place, the particular AFC’s that visit such sites are particularly stupid.
loyal subject have you never heard this line before? don’t you know the comebacks for this line? you know…those that work?
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Oh sorry Loyal Subject, I didn’t hear that part where you’re trying to make people think you’re cooler than me. I want to hear it though – could you say it again?
Ninja,
Grow up…shaking head. You’re COOLER than me…ok?…Jesus…youth.
Loyal Subject
Posted by: Loyal Subject
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kon, take Loyal Subject to school and teach him the art of the AMOG. Tell him what he should have said and the structure behind it, you know…those that work… let’s see if you’ve got what it takes.
I said I didn’t see him *seduce* girls, not that I didn’t meet him lol.
Re-read the post… I took a workshop with Shark. I met him prior to the workshop as well, and I communicate with him regularily when I need help with my game (post workshop support).
Hey Kon,
You’re a JOBBER, just a another JOBBER……
Hey Alek!
On the mASF board you wrote a piece called “Fidentia Review 1.5 month followup”. About halfway down the review you say this:
”
So you’ve written a review of a Fidentia WS which is not really a Fidentia WS, is that correct?
You start the review with this:
”
Towards the end you say this:
”
Flabbergasting really. Sorry, but you come across as a star-struck seduction fanboy. In other words, a rube ripe for the fleecing.
Thank you… I appreciate the compliments (I guess?)
Here’s the deal… and some of the fidentia guys weren’t too happy for me to be sharing this – yes the American & the European workshops are different. They aren’t gonna be happy that I say this, but its a fact. We didn’t have some of the deeper stuff that the american students got… and we didn’t have some of the excercise and theory they had… Cameron, Seth and Torrey are awesome at theory that is applicable. Since they are all LEARNED (and not naturals like my instructors were), so they can communicate much better to AFCs…
So I guess my workshop was something like 80% of what an american WS is. So if you’re considering taking one… On top of my experiences imagine getting some additional practical theory, tips and explanations. But I hold no grudge for not getting everything, because the american students were kind enough to explain the rest, and Cameron posted some very usefull replies.
Yes, the workshops are about 80% similar.
There is a 20% variance.
We will synchronize everything shortly.
Be on the look out for a joint workshop between Fidentia-America and Fidentia-Europe [Shark].
We’ll either go to Europe, or bring Shark to the U.S.
——————
As always, no matter which workshop someone takes, there is unlimited support on the forum as I am sure Alek will attest to.
The One
loyal subject have you never heard this line before? don’t you know the comebacks for this line? you know…those that work?
Yeah I’ve heard it before, but why should I feel challenged by some young punk who thinks hes some kind of comic book hero, and only life is posting here licking the most popular ass at the time?..:)
kon, take Loyal Subject to school and teach him the art of the AMOG. Tell him what he should have said and the structure behind it, you know…those that work… let’s see if you’ve got what it takes.
Art of Amog?…lol. The structure behind it?…like you would know anything about structure.
Real Pick-up Artists and Seductionists don’t spend much time worrying about AMOGS’s. But you go ahead, knock yourself out, you’re a NINJA after all. Go put your turtle suit on, and go play in your sandbox, little one.
Now if you had a mind that could grasp SS…well nevermind….;)
Loyal Subject
Exactly… I stilld hold on to what I said in the original review “The post-workshop support is worth the price of the entire workshop”
And cameron… I’d sell my mother to get you new book. So please now… reveal new info as soon as possible.
Looks like Loyal Subject did intense reading on AMOG before he wrote that, you certainly are a changed man, before you were quite wussy constantly kissing your masters ass, in fact , dude, you are like the super coolest dude posting on this blog now.;)
P.S. Your master is releasing a DVD he says in 2 weeks on Walkups. If he is to have any credibility on it, he will have wired up Riker, Vince, Yates or one of his best students and show you how it’s done. If it’s in the seminar room, it’s probably a joke.
Ollie has an excellent post I just read on why SS is the way it is and why Mystery Method is just way above anything else. Click here.
P.S. Your master is releasing a DVD he says in 2 weeks on Walkups. If he is to have any credibility on it, he will have wired up Riker, Vince, Yates or one of his best students and show you how it’s done. If it’s in the seminar room, it’s probably a joke.
I have ONE master and it sure as hell isn’t Ross…;)
Hes doing another series on walk-ups? Damn.
Lets rehash old stuff why don’t we.
Ross, bring out NEW material. I can walk just fine…:)
Ninja, MM is good stuff. I like SS because it lets me get inside a womans mind and play with it. Move her emotions…MM and others don’t teach this.
Let me put it this way, I use MM and all the others to do the approach, and build some intital interest, after that its SS all the way to stalker material.hehe
What do you use besides a black outfit and kitchen knife.
Loyal Subject
“We only saw him open just one girl as an example (just opening + 30 second chat). But even those 30 seconds were amazing to me. Her reaction and (shining eyes, smile etc…) told me SOMETHING awesome is going on.”
Yes Alek my part of your wshop was just 5hours so.
However other fidentia instructor seduced women and when students got blown out of a set, Olaf requested that he approaches the difficult set(girls saw them talk!) he approached them and stayed in the set and women were happy, each fidentia instructor is ready for a lot of stuff, any of us can show you, we all have huge experience in approaching and seducing women.
The workshop are not totally the same but they are almost the same, we focus to destroy any excuses in the student.
In October 28 I and the american crew will do a wshop somewhere in eastern europe, we are still looking for the best place.
Serbia is the best place for a workshop
, but I know that’s not what you want to hear. 
I still think the most beatifull girls in europe are macedonian and serbian girls, followed by croatian girls.
But as far as the workshop goes, why not zagreb? Why are you looking for another place?
Ninjas use more than kitchen knives, they use Ninja Swords and Ninja Stars and Guitars and they get Hippos to wing with them (hippos and ninjas are blood brothers).
They also use their innate ability to Totally Flip Out and when women see this happening the panties are coming OFF!!!
Ninjas use more than kitchen knives, they use Ninja Swords and Ninja Stars and Guitars and they get Hippos to wing with them (hippos and ninjas are blood brothers).
Hippos as in the animal, hippies or what I think…fat greazy women?
They also use their innate ability to Totally Flip Out and when women see this happening the panties are coming OFF!!!
Laughing out loud…I hear ya…:)
Loyal Subject
Isn’t ANYONE going to post a review of this seminar???
While I can not give a full review. I personally found Patty Contenta, Doc, and David Shade to have done an incredible job.
But of all the speakers I heard, I have to say that Mystery held the room the strongest. Having never seen the guy, nor heard him in a seminar, I had no clue what to expect, outide of some serious “peacocking.”
Patty gave some great on stage demos of body movement, dance behavior, and specifics on how a woman and a man should walk, for higher levels of sexual presence. Golden stuff.
I don’t have my notes on what specifically Doc shared, but I recall feeling his stage presentation was professional, tight, and very well explained.
David Shade gave some nice small chunk info on Threesomes and more specifically, on bi-sexual women.
The “threesomes” panel discussion with D. Shade, Juggler, and the always incredible, Steve Piccus, hit some excellent points, and provided some great insight on not only HOW to get threesomes, but more importantly, the inner workings of the woman and the key things you NEED to be aware of when in a threesome. Unfortunately, I had to leave before it ended, and so I also missed hearing David DeAngelo as the closing speaker.
Mystery…Great bumble bee attire. Personally, I disagree with some of what he talked about, like LMR being hardwired. But dispite our different views, he truly OWNED the room during his time on stage. The entire energy shifted, I felt it. It was a beautiful thing.
Toecutter seemed a little uncomfortable, but it could just as easily been the result of having so much he wanted to share, and not sure what to cover in his hour on stage. He made some great points about how he views situations and women and relationships. Great info from this guy!
Juggler was very enjoyable. I kept having to leave the room for business related things. But from what I heard, I liked.
DJ took WAY too long to get to his points, in my personal opinion. He would start one story, then seague it into another, which he said reminded him of yet a third story. So, personally, I got bored, and left to find soemthing else to stimulate my mind.
That was the bulk of who I got to hear. I arrived Friday night (actually Saturday at 2a.m.) So I didn’t catch ANY of the Friday speakers. And I had to leave around 1 p.m. on Sunday, which meant I pretty much only caught the “threesome” panel.
I can say, however, that from what I was present for, the seminar was handled very tight, and effectively.
This was not a complete review, more of an observation really. But at least it gives you guys SOMETHING until a more complete and detailed review is posted.
Live Unleased!
Bishop
Who was DJ? I dont see him listed as a speaker.
Bishop,
I would have loved to go the Cliff’s List seminar, especially to see Patty and Juggler.
I’m doing phone-coaching with Wayne right now, so I’m pretty familiar with his ideas. But, as someone who is into theater and dance, body movement is really important to me – what, specifically, did Patty Contenta talk about? I’d love to hear some of her material.
Thanks!
I’ve emailed my review to Thundercat. Once he’s read it over, I am sure it will be posted here at ANY MOMENT!
I agree with everything Bishop said, but I’ve got more details, including a review of Bishop himself!
STAY TUNED!!!
Cheers,
Señorlukas
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Y’ALL A BUNCH OF NERDS SPECIALLY THAT INBRED RETARD BISHOP WITH THE FAKE PICS!!!
Senorlukas, I just read your review on the Body Language DVD’s, I hope your Cliff’s List review is a cool read too.
Ninja,
The review is posted now on mASF. I don’t know what the hell happened to Mr. Thundercat. I emailed him the review almost three days ago now.
Cheers,
Señorlukas
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